Russia sells China S-400 surface-to-air missiles

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  1. arnabmit

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    Russia sells China S-400 surface-to-air missiles

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    SOURCE: Huanqiu.com

    Huanqiu.com says in its report titled Russia has decided to sell S-400 to China: “According to the July issue of Canadian “Kanwa Defence Review” an authoritative source of the Russian military industry says that Russia has decided to export S-400 anti-aircraft missiles to China.

    This is one more concession that Russia has made in its arms sale to China following the exports of Su-35 fighter jets, and the Chinese version of the Lada class submarines.

    “Kanwa says: China hopes to get the S-400s and has been making request for it for quite a few years at the annual meetings between the two governments. However, due to fears that China might copy it and other reasons, the Russian government did not clearly agree to sell he S-400s to China until 2012.

    At the end of 2012, Russia for the first time directly told Beijing that it agreed to sell the S-400s. No formal agreement has so far been entered into, but negotiation about that has already been included in the agenda.

    “Russia decided that it might sell China the radar and command and control systems of the S-400. What kind of missile system will be exported will be the key issue in the negotiations. One thing is clear: the versions allowed to be sold include the interception missiles with a range of 380 kilometres.

    However, no final decision has been made as to whether sale will go ahead of the full set system of the S-400 interception missiles, also having a range of 380 kilometres.”

    Kanwa’s article believes that China wants to get Russian technology to improve its Hongqi-9 surface-to-air missiles, which has only a range of 125 kilometres. In order to lengthen its range, it needs a new generation of engine, and improvement of its filling technology.

    The 380 kilometre range of the S-400 is longer than most similar US missiles, and is therefore extremely attractive to China.

    Moreover, due the modular structure of the S-400s, they can be used in combination with the S-300 missiles China has imported from Russia.

    As for the reasons why Russia has decided the export: Kanwa believes that besides mutual political needs, the major reason is further US-Japanese cooperation in developing their ballistic missile defence system with the final target of obtaining an interception missile flying at the speed of 6.5 km/second.

    As a result, China and Russia have intensified their discussions and cooperation in developing their ballistic missile defence systems.
     
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    here comes the new HQ-10 missile
     
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    Russians have no problem with China copying their stuff, why it should be bothering us.

    These news are good to shut pathological lair Chinese trolls who boast about their indigenous capabilities and place themselves above Russians and those who rant, India is the largest importers of arms. Couple of years ago they were the largest, soon they will win that spot from India again as their copying of weapons is not working well.
     
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    Crap.

    How will we penetrate their airspace quickly now?

    (Not too much worried since, according to some, Russland S-300 is superior to their export S-400 :rofl: Still I want minimal loss of life)

    S-400 is a dangerous weapon to our Fighters. How do we neutralize it?
     
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    Chinese are pathological liars and two faced peoples, China is the counterfeit capital of the world… boasting of J20 but cannot make a descent jet engine… All Chinese weapons are cheap copies of Russian and other sources…
     
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    Sad thing we did not go for this wonderful system. Too bad Russia is selling it to Chinese.
     
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    Brahmos?

    Cruise missile threat in Asia

     
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    ^ S-400 weapon system usually require TOR-M like system for defence against PGM and cruise missile.
     
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    One word.... Rafale
     
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    going by your statements russia is allowing china to misuse their intellectual property.no country in the world allows that.they were allowing it because they cant do anything about it
    the russia-china relation is amusing in the way that weapons trade is booming irrespective of mistrust in between them.

    a good old proverb about chinese made"chale to chand tak,nahi to shyam tak"eventually a copied product can never be superior than original still chinese are happy with their products hoping a bright future
     
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    May be China is fitting into some greater Russian scheme, we have to wait to know.

    Or may be Russian industry is getting enough money which covers their losses they endure by China's copying of their technology. They must have been factoring in fast and ever changing technology they know is always ahead of China; further they will maintain the lead with same Chinese money pouring in.

    Also China's effort of selling their indigenous weapons to other countries fails when such news is leaked by Russia; customer is clever. Therefor Russians should be quite comfortable with China's copying.
     
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    chinese conceal truth.and i strongly doubt that they lie
    they are more or less similar to india in culture
     
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    I can give you link where three times their diplomats (with their names) lied on international forum of not proliferating nuclear technology to Pakistan. Now it is a well establish fact that they did.
     
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    Since S-400 has not been operationally deployed anywhere else apart from Russia, I have a few queries:

    Is it vastly different & brings additional capabilities over S-300 versions ? Is it more suited for theater defence or point defence ?

    How pronounced are its BMD applications, since it is believed to more suited for hitting at fast-flying jets. Can it provide them decent cover against Ani-4/5 class of BM's as well ?

    How successful was this system in testing phase ?

    Would the impact be significant for Chinese airspace defensive capabilities, once this system is deployed & operational ?

    Are the airborne SEAD/DEAD assets of IAF capable enough to overcome this threat ?

    Why did Russians agreed to sell it, despite repeated statements emanating from Rus Def. Min, that this system isn't meant for sale ? Even allies like Belarus as well as rich Saudi's & Turkey have been unable to procure the same.

    S-500 seems quite different (& vastly more capable) from S-400, given its planned ABM capabilities. Should India be interested in JV or procuring a few? Or, AAD/PAD alone form would form our ABM shield ?
     
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    China lied several times on helping out Pakistan's on their nuclear & Missile development and it is a well known fact acknowledged internationally.
     
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    ^^^ we have unique requirement for BMD which no one has fulfilled. We have saw Aerow missile test, purchased S300 for evluation and emergency,got detail presentation from US. Then we have come up with PAD/PDV & AAD. Other system dont suit us as they are not according to our requirments.
     
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    The requirement India put out for BMD is patently unrealistic, as in the system does not yet exist in reality - apart from the maximum theoretical performance of THAAD, and the US is decades away from exporting that system.

    I wouldn't count on Russia exporting an equivalent system when it develops one either, as its nuclear arsenal is one of the two pillars of its national strength (the other is energy); proliferating a top-notch ABM system runs completely counter to their critical natsec interests.

    India would be much better off trying to develop such a system itself. Even optimistic estimates (from DRDO "progress reports" as well as threatmongering analyses from Rawalpindi GHQ) put such an indigenous system at least 15-20 years out - India lacks not only the missile technology, but also the hardened, triple-redundant regional/global C4ISR grid that the US, China, Russia, and to a lesser degree France and the UK have.
     
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