How many fighters outside the US are operational with AESA radar?
Russia ready to sell Su-35 fighter jets to China
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This was your post
China has developed literally hundreds of radars and they are operational in contrast to the 'technology demonstrators' developed by India.
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Manc Tony was talking about Aesa on fighter, China has zero.
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You forgot that MI35 also has AESA in it and also Mirage .Thats the main reason you guys are dieing to get hand on Mig 35 so that AESA and Engines can be copied.
They are not operational. Lots of producers are offering fighters with AESA, but outside US and Japan (with their F-2) none is in actual service. China too is testing an AESA on J10B.
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Even India is testing AESA for LCA . so what ? its not operational and no one knows how many years it will take .
Russia has fitted AESA with SU35 that means its a working one. Russians and French both have working AESA for their latest planes.
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Off topic but necessary
Mr Tony why does nt your country take over Taiwan if your military is so capable.
China is just frustrated .
It thought that 2008 economic crisis was its big oppurtunity. But the world economy recovered on its own and with western intervention
So now China is taking out its frustration on Japan and ASEAN countries
The cloning industry has stopped producing results or is it only giving "eggs"
Mr Tony why does nt your country take over Taiwan if your military is so capable.
China is just frustrated .
It thought that 2008 economic crisis was its big oppurtunity. But the world economy recovered on its own and with western intervention
So now China is taking out its frustration on Japan and ASEAN countries
The cloning industry has stopped producing results or is it only giving "eggs"
Taiwan just voted in a pro-mainland president, and you thought China would launch an attack on Taiwan because of that? Do you have nay idea about the economic ties that currently exist across the strait? Do you realize how much money taiwanese businessmen have invested in mainland and how many taiwanese have taken permanent residence on mainland?
China has stated clearly 3 scenarios which would lead to an attack on taiwan:
1. taiwan declaring formal independence
2. taiwan going nucklear
3. an invasion of a foreign power
Right now, there is better chance that India will launch an invasion into Nepal than China attacking Taiwan
BTW, it doesn't seem that you are following current events. The world wide economic crisis is far from being over (that's why the BR forum has a thread called worldwide economic melt down pinned at the top), but thanks to China it has not gotten worse. China is now the main engine behind global economic growth.
China has stated clearly 3 scenarios which would lead to an attack on taiwan:
1. taiwan declaring formal independence
2. taiwan going nucklear
3. an invasion of a foreign power
Right now, there is better chance that India will launch an invasion into Nepal than China attacking Taiwan
BTW, it doesn't seem that you are following current events. The world wide economic crisis is far from being over (that's why the BR forum has a thread called worldwide economic melt down pinned at the top), but thanks to China it has not gotten worse. China is now the main engine behind global economic growth.
India is not testing an AESA, and certainly not on LCA.
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Its testing for LCA not on LCA .
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lol where are the superplanes of china gone??
gone with the wind??
gone with the wind??
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Sale Of Russian Fighters To China Undermines Gates Decision On F-22
Defense publications are reporting that Russia is considering selling its newest fighter, the SU-35, to China. The SU-35 has enhanced radar, improved avionics, better flight surfaces, a more powerful engine and larger fuel tanks. Aviation experts characterize the SU-35 as a Generation 4+ aircraft. This is just a short technological step behind the U.S. F-35, the future mainstay of the U.S. fighter fleet.
China's Air Force is in the midst of a major modernization program that is focused in particular on improving its ability to defend against air and ballistic/cruise missile threats. China has acquired advanced air superiority and strike aircraft from Russia while simultaneously focusing on domestic production of ever-better aircraft. From Russia, the Chinese Air Force has purchased some 100 variants of the advanced SU-30 and 76 SU-27s, both fourth generation fighters. China has deployed more than 300 J-10, 11 and 17s, all fourth generation fighters. In addition, the Chinese Air Force has some 500 third generation J-7 and 8s in service. In addition to China's nearly 1000 third and fourth generation fighters, the Air Force also deploys some 700 third and fourth generation strike aircraft. There are reports that China is helping to finance Russian work on a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50. Like the U.S. fifth generation F-22 and F-35, the T-50 is reported to incorporate stealth features.
The potential SU-35 sale is but one element in a broad and deep effort by the Chinese Air Force to modernize its air defense capabilities. The recently released Annual Report of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission provided an ominous picture of the growing Chinese air and missile defense threat. "Today many, but not all, of China's fighters can fire beyond-visual-range missiles." The report goes on to warn about the growth of China's air defense capabilities. China now has "one of the world's best ground-based air defense networks" and, "would pose a difficult challenge for even the most modern air forces in the region." China has deployed around 100 surface-to-air (SAM) missile batteries with nearly 1,000 missile launchers, including between 16 and 32 batteries of Russian-built S-300s, the so-called triple-digit SAM that Russia recently refused to sell to Iran.
When Secretary of Defense Robert Gates decided in 2009 to cap the U.S. F-22 program at 187 aircraft it was with the expectation that China would be relatively slow to deploy advanced fourth-generation fighters and that Russia would not produce a fifth-generation aircraft for many years to come. The pace of the Chinese aircraft modernization program and the first flight of the T-50 earlier this year would appear to undermine Gates' logic for halting the F-22 program. Within a decade, the small fleet of U.S. F-22s could face hundreds of advanced Chinese fourth and even fifth-generation fighters.
China's aircraft modernization program should also cast a different light on the F-35 program. Recent calls by deficit reduction groups for reducing the size and scope of the F-35 program need to recognize the intolerable pressure this would place on the F-22 fleet. Had Secretary Gates decided to go with the Air Force's proposal to acquire some 332 F-22s the situation today would be very different. Without an adequate F-22 fleet, the F-35 became the defense department's most important modernization program.
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Daniel Goure, Ph.D.
Early Warning Blog
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/19889/
Defense publications are reporting that Russia is considering selling its newest fighter, the SU-35, to China. The SU-35 has enhanced radar, improved avionics, better flight surfaces, a more powerful engine and larger fuel tanks. Aviation experts characterize the SU-35 as a Generation 4+ aircraft. This is just a short technological step behind the U.S. F-35, the future mainstay of the U.S. fighter fleet.
China's Air Force is in the midst of a major modernization program that is focused in particular on improving its ability to defend against air and ballistic/cruise missile threats. China has acquired advanced air superiority and strike aircraft from Russia while simultaneously focusing on domestic production of ever-better aircraft. From Russia, the Chinese Air Force has purchased some 100 variants of the advanced SU-30 and 76 SU-27s, both fourth generation fighters. China has deployed more than 300 J-10, 11 and 17s, all fourth generation fighters. In addition, the Chinese Air Force has some 500 third generation J-7 and 8s in service. In addition to China's nearly 1000 third and fourth generation fighters, the Air Force also deploys some 700 third and fourth generation strike aircraft. There are reports that China is helping to finance Russian work on a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50. Like the U.S. fifth generation F-22 and F-35, the T-50 is reported to incorporate stealth features.
The potential SU-35 sale is but one element in a broad and deep effort by the Chinese Air Force to modernize its air defense capabilities. The recently released Annual Report of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission provided an ominous picture of the growing Chinese air and missile defense threat. "Today many, but not all, of China's fighters can fire beyond-visual-range missiles." The report goes on to warn about the growth of China's air defense capabilities. China now has "one of the world's best ground-based air defense networks" and, "would pose a difficult challenge for even the most modern air forces in the region." China has deployed around 100 surface-to-air (SAM) missile batteries with nearly 1,000 missile launchers, including between 16 and 32 batteries of Russian-built S-300s, the so-called triple-digit SAM that Russia recently refused to sell to Iran.
When Secretary of Defense Robert Gates decided in 2009 to cap the U.S. F-22 program at 187 aircraft it was with the expectation that China would be relatively slow to deploy advanced fourth-generation fighters and that Russia would not produce a fifth-generation aircraft for many years to come. The pace of the Chinese aircraft modernization program and the first flight of the T-50 earlier this year would appear to undermine Gates' logic for halting the F-22 program. Within a decade, the small fleet of U.S. F-22s could face hundreds of advanced Chinese fourth and even fifth-generation fighters.
China's aircraft modernization program should also cast a different light on the F-35 program. Recent calls by deficit reduction groups for reducing the size and scope of the F-35 program need to recognize the intolerable pressure this would place on the F-22 fleet. Had Secretary Gates decided to go with the Air Force's proposal to acquire some 332 F-22s the situation today would be very different. Without an adequate F-22 fleet, the F-35 became the defense department's most important modernization program.
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http://www.defpro.com/news/details/19889/
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There are the Japanese radars on the enlarged F-16s, been operational for a long time now.
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What the hack is this? Never heard anywhere, that Chinese are funding the T-50 program to the Russians in which India has a stake of 25%. I simply don't get it.....!!!Sale Of Russian Fighters To China Undermines Gates Decision On F-22
Defense publications are reporting that Russia is considering selling its newest fighter, the SU-35, to China. The SU-35 has enhanced radar, improved avionics, better flight surfaces, a more powerful engine and larger fuel tanks. Aviation experts characterize the SU-35 as a Generation 4+ aircraft. This is just a short technological step behind the U.S. F-35, the future mainstay of the U.S. fighter fleet.
China's Air Force is in the midst of a major modernization program that is focused in particular on improving its ability to defend against air and ballistic/cruise missile threats. China has acquired advanced air superiority and strike aircraft from Russia while simultaneously focusing on domestic production of ever-better aircraft. From Russia, the Chinese Air Force has purchased some 100 variants of the advanced SU-30 and 76 SU-27s, both fourth generation fighters. China has deployed more than 300 J-10, 11 and 17s, all fourth generation fighters. In addition, the Chinese Air Force has some 500 third generation J-7 and 8s in service. In addition to China's nearly 1000 third and fourth generation fighters, the Air Force also deploys some 700 third and fourth generation strike aircraft. There are reports that China is helping to finance Russian work on a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50. Like the U.S. fifth generation F-22 and F-35, the T-50 is reported to incorporate stealth features.
The potential SU-35 sale is but one element in a broad and deep effort by the Chinese Air Force to modernize its air defense capabilities. The recently released Annual Report of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission provided an ominous picture of the growing Chinese air and missile defense threat. "Today many, but not all, of China's fighters can fire beyond-visual-range missiles." The report goes on to warn about the growth of China's air defense capabilities. China now has "one of the world's best ground-based air defense networks" and, "would pose a difficult challenge for even the most modern air forces in the region." China has deployed around 100 surface-to-air (SAM) missile batteries with nearly 1,000 missile launchers, including between 16 and 32 batteries of Russian-built S-300s, the so-called triple-digit SAM that Russia recently refused to sell to Iran.
When Secretary of Defense Robert Gates decided in 2009 to cap the U.S. F-22 program at 187 aircraft it was with the expectation that China would be relatively slow to deploy advanced fourth-generation fighters and that Russia would not produce a fifth-generation aircraft for many years to come. The pace of the Chinese aircraft modernization program and the first flight of the T-50 earlier this year would appear to undermine Gates' logic for halting the F-22 program. Within a decade, the small fleet of U.S. F-22s could face hundreds of advanced Chinese fourth and even fifth-generation fighters.
China's aircraft modernization program should also cast a different light on the F-35 program. Recent calls by deficit reduction groups for reducing the size and scope of the F-35 program need to recognize the intolerable pressure this would place on the F-22 fleet. Had Secretary Gates decided to go with the Air Force's proposal to acquire some 332 F-22s the situation today would be very different. Without an adequate F-22 fleet, the F-35 became the defense department's most important modernization program.
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Daniel Goure, Ph.D.
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http://www.defpro.com/news/details/19889/
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Initial indications that Russia could sell China the Su-35
According to RIA Novosti, Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Tuesday it was ready to hold talks with China on the delivery of advanced Su-35 fighter aircraft to the Chinese air force.
"We are ready to work with our Chinese partners to this end [Su-35 deliveries]," Deputy General Director of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheyev said at the Airshow China 2010, which is being held on November 16-21 in Zhuhai.
The Su-35 Flanker-E, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.
Russia's Sukhoi aircraft maker earlier said it planned to start deliveries of the new aircraft, billed as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology," to foreign clients in 2011 and produce Su-35s over a period of 10 years up to 2020.
China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition (Airshow China) is the only international aerospace trade show in China that is endorsed by the Chinese central government. The biannual arms exhibition has been held in Zhuhai since 1996
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/11/initial-indications-that-russia-could.html
According to RIA Novosti, Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Tuesday it was ready to hold talks with China on the delivery of advanced Su-35 fighter aircraft to the Chinese air force.
"We are ready to work with our Chinese partners to this end [Su-35 deliveries]," Deputy General Director of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheyev said at the Airshow China 2010, which is being held on November 16-21 in Zhuhai.
The Su-35 Flanker-E, powered by two 117S engines with thrust vectoring, combines high maneuverability and the capability to effectively engage several air targets simultaneously using both guided and unguided missiles and weapon systems.
Russia's Sukhoi aircraft maker earlier said it planned to start deliveries of the new aircraft, billed as "4++ generation using fifth-generation technology," to foreign clients in 2011 and produce Su-35s over a period of 10 years up to 2020.
China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition (Airshow China) is the only international aerospace trade show in China that is endorsed by the Chinese central government. The biannual arms exhibition has been held in Zhuhai since 1996
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2010/11/initial-indications-that-russia-could.html
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Possible intent behind the purchase of Su-35 from Russia, Chinese may be planning to use it as testbed for the testing of 5th generation technologies of their 5th generation A/C, apart from Su-35 in itself is a very potent multirole A/C . As the same is being done by the Russians for the PAK-FA.
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it would be a blackmail from Russia.
the only that China is interested in is the engine 117s. CHina wants it to be the stopgap for its 5G bird.
Russia just packages 117s engine with Su35,for more profit!
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That means Chinese state of art 5th Generation A/C is going to fly with the Engine of 4th Generation A/C? I give lot of respect to Chinese innovative ways to find solution, but this one doesn't deserve so.
Though , this is comparatively good move to buy the engine rather reverse engineering or stealing the same.
Eagerly waiting to see Chinese 5th Generation A/C flying with 4th generation a/c's engine.
Though , this is comparatively good move to buy the engine rather reverse engineering or stealing the same.
Eagerly waiting to see Chinese 5th Generation A/C flying with 4th generation a/c's engine.
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remember what I told you few days back ? You think Chinese are only smart people on earth. You can fool Russia only once they will definitely pay you back with interest . Its their time to compensate for loss they took due to china not obliging the contract by making cheap rip offs.
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guy, 117s,engine of su35 is also the stopgap of Russian 5G bird, T50.
Chinese 5G bird is just the second with 117s as the stopgap.
it is reported that ws15 would be the ultimate engine.
