Russia plans new Aircraft Carrier

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  1. Virendra

    Virendra Moderator Moderator

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    The Russian Government has allotted funds for the construction of a new heavy cruising Aircraft Carrier.
    Requirements :
    1. The beast will be capable of warfare not just in Land, Air, Water but also Space warfare by co-ordinating with Orbital facilities.
    2. Via nuclear reactors it will be able to work for a very long time without any external energy feed/reload. (Don't know how long is 'very long' here)
    3. Will be able to take 80 planes on its deck and hence a step better than currently in service 'Admiral Kuznetsov' AC.
    4. Will be able to defend Russian submarines and land based marines from Air borne attack (Do you smell blockades and invasions? :D )
    5. Will be ready for service by end of year 2020.

    The Russian navy has 4 subdivisions - thus, it is planned that Russia will have 4 naval battle groups where each group is headed by aircraft carriers.”
    Other than the AC, the group will have at least 6 battle ships and 1 or 2 submarines.

    For Details, read at - Weapon and Technology: New aircraft carrier to make Russia powerful

    Question - Are they going to have 2 more ACs as their hardware is supposed to be organized into 4 BGs?

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    Virendra
     
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  3. rock127

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    Do they have enough $$$ for 4 AC???
     
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    Excellent topic


    Soviet military strategy was never called for building full-fledged Catapult aircraft carriers operating,Nor did they builted aircraft carriers for a long time.

    For building a Carrier, Russia needs to start from the basics itself.
    At first, They must construct a whole new Shipyard. Their present shipyard cannot construct carriers and they get frozen in winter.
    Take advice in developing the carriers and to find out what kind of materials, missiles and what type of aircrafts needed and how many.
    Build enough ships require for a Carrier Group



    Alternate solution could be, Rather constructing a new shipyard offer Ukraine contracts to build aircraft carriers has a JV. Nikolaev shipyards used to built Carriers for Soviet Navy, which is in Ukraine after separation. These shipyards are bankrupted and abandoned but with mutual consent, They can resurrect back to life.

    Old habits die hard,.........It seems Russia didn't lost their old soviet drive completely to build combination of a missiles and a carriers.
    All the Soviet era aircraft carries were designed to carry missiles with them, there were never True carriers.



    The main intention of building these carriers to to protect the Submarines from Naval Aviation. Naval aviation is becomed a principal adversary in Anti-Submarine warfare. Thier Naval Commander claim their Northern fleet Submarine force would never even stand a chance during war.

    Kiev and Kuznetsov calls ships were developed for this main concern. But offcourse, The Soviet VTOL/STOVL aircraft program was a complete failure and they learned that in a hard way.

    They never built ed a full fledged carrier before. It was their Submarine fleet and Anti-ship aircrafts which they relied on. Submarines were considered the Capital Ships of the Navy. The USSR had entered WWII with more submarines than other Country.
     
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    Last I heard Russians were importing French Mistrals for the Eastern Shore in Japan-Korea-China belt.
    Not a great testimony of Russian Shipbuilding, but shows that they're aware of their needs very well.
     
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    Ready by 2020? Now that is a joke. It won't even be laid by then.
     
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    its not impossible but highly improbable though Russians if they put in resources this feat can be pull off.

    I agree Sevmash is not Northrop Grumman or DCNS
     
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    Should be a minimum of 30 years.
     
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    Depends on how serious they are. There is a chance they may have already progressed from the design stage before revealing information, like was the case with both PAKFA and the Armata UCP.
     
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    our vikramadithya money is going to be used here ? lol
     
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    80 planes in 50,000 tonnage ship? are Russians trolling?
     
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    Ton (short): 907.1847 kg
    Tonne: 1000 kg
    Ton (long): 1016.047 kg
     
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    The Russians can ask France (DCNS) to help it develop its nuclear aircraft carrier. I don't know if this is part of the Mistral deal...
     
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    Development of Russian Aircraft Carrier, may favour India too. Russians might opt for new Carrier borne PAKFA-N and AWACS. Study on what type of aircraft to carry for Future Russian Carriers is already started.


    Care to excplain plz

    That would be depend on how soon the construction on thier mew Shipyard gonna be over. Or maybe if they jump started Nikolaev shipyards. Their Old shipyards are quite dead though


    Just came to know that,........... Refueling and Overhaul of Nuclear propulsion is a huge headache and lengthy process. It takes at least 2-3 years for Carrier to be refueled

    Correct me if iam wrong, But CATOBAR system on French Carrier is transferred from US right?, If not then Thales could help develop catapult technology.

    The real hard part will be building catapults. How mature thus Russian technology has evolved in that?

    US had mastered on Catapult technology by using it from decades. The more expericne you have in operating Catapult in service, The safety it is.
     
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    Of course they are- they're rich with all the USD they extorted from India now. They've got a bloody good deal- they've got another country(India) to pay for all the upgradtion of their major shipyards.
     
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    The hull is cut open.

    Instead, they would have worked up a loss. Heads have rolled already in Russia.
     
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    Russia May Build New Aircraft Carrier by 2023 – Designer


    The development and construction of a new aircraft carrier for the Russian navy could take about 10 years, a St. Petersburg-based ship design bureau said Monday.

    Sergei Vlasov, general director of the Nevskoye design bureau, said the overall cost of the ship could range between 100 and 250 billion rubles ($2.8-7.1 billion).

    “If the ship will be armed with a variety of weaponry, its cost will skyrocket, but if it will carry only air defense systems, the cost will be less,” the official said.

    Vlasov said his bureau could design both a nuclear-powered and conventional version of the aircraft carrier. The former would have a deadweight of up to 85,000 metric tons, while the latter – up to 65,000 tons.

    The nuclear-powered ship would be able to carry some 70 aircraft and helicopters, while the conventional vessel – up to 55, he said.

    Vlasov added that the new carrier would serve as a seaborne platform for new-generation fixed- and rotary-winged aircraft, in particular a fifth-generation fighter set to replace the Su-33 multirole fighter aircraft currently in service, as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV).

    According to Vlasov, the Russian navy needs at least four aircraft carriers: two for the Northern Fleet and two for the Pacific Fleet.

    At present, Russia has only one aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, built in 1985, with a displacement of 55,000 metric tons, a crew of 1,500 and capability to carry more than 50 aircraft.


    Russia May Build New Aircraft Carrier by 2023 – Designer | Defense | RIA Novosti
     
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    Russia developing Shtorm supercarrier

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    Russia's Krylovsky State Research Center (KRSC) has developed a new multipurpose heavy aircraft carrier design called Project 23000E or Shtorm (Storm).

    A scale model of the ship is going to be demonstrated for the first time at the International Maritime Defence Show 2015 in St Petersburg from 1-5 July, Valery Polyakov, the deputy director of KSC, told IHS Jane's .

    "The Project 23000E multipurpose aircraft carrier is designed to conduct operations in remote and oceanic areas, engage land-based and sea-borne enemy targets, ensure the operational stability of naval forces, protect landing troops, and provide the anti-aircraft defence," Polyakov said.

    The design has a displacement of 90-100,000 tons, is 330 m in length, 40 m wide, and has a draft of 11 m.

    http://www.janes.com/article/51452/russia-developing-shtorm-supercarrier
     
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    Looks more like STOVL Carrier than a Catapult one.

    Not sure how much technology they gained regrading CATABOR technology
     
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    The model doesn't have CATOBAR, why would they still continue with STOBAR considering it will have the heavier PAKFA deployed.
     
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    watch closely, the fighters are lining up on the sKI jUMP

    Also you can find a AEW craft coming from end, on separate run way no ski jump but should be a assisted launch
     
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