Russia Negotiates Sale of Three Frigates to India as Ukraine Failed to Deliver Turbines

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  1. Backinblack

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    Russia negotiates with India upon selling of the second trio of six Project 11356 frigates earlier ordered by the Russian Navy, said Igor Ponomarev, vice president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.

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    they were offering the same since mid 2015 .

    and Today DAC cleared P 17 A construction
     
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    Nuvneet Kundu Senior Member Senior Member

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    What are the terms? price? ToT? timeline of delivery?
     
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    There is a difference between "negotiating" and "selling".
     
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    Those 3 are Talwar Class frigates, right? And @SajeevJino, if DAC cleared today, will construction of 7 ships start at the end of this year or as planned as in 2017?
     
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    Those 3 are Talwar Class frigates, right? And @SajeevJino, if DAC cleared today, will construction of 7 ships start at the end of this year or as planned as in 2017?
     
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    those Frigates don't have the engine, Ukraine refused to deliver the engine, That's why they planning to sell it India,

    There is another option too, Russia plans to sell those frigates to Reliance and Reliance will fit those engines, then sell it to other nations, It's Either IN, Russian Navy or some other
     
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    DAC already cleared the P 17 A proposal by the Navy, what they cleared yesterday was the import contents like Sensors processing system and the weapon package. CCS needs to be give go order and FM needs to allocate fund. Then only the constructions will begun, This may take another some years .Not this year
     
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    Do you think India can fit GM turbines on these and use?
    Ukraine may fail to deliver turbines for Indian projects as well.
     
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    That's I don't know

    Ukraine had the engines, which was originally produced for those frigates, There is no issues between India and Ukraine, so they can deliver them.

    One more Navy is not interested in that Russian Talwars'.
     
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    Adding to it IN has recently bought engines from them to its latest destroyers(Kolkata+Vishakpatnam).
    So there should be no problem in importing engines
     
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    Any idea why these ships have Zorya turbines, not LM2500 from GE??
    I think Ukrainian Zorya and GE LM2500 are same class turbines.
     
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    Don't expect to see any P-17A before 2020.

    There's a high likelihood that IN will commission it's first P-17A at around the same time (+/- 1 year) as the Royal Navy commissions it's first Type-26 Global Combat Ship.
     
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    Its a goid deal ,only engine are required that means the enter trails with in year .What is the price.Why is russia not trying to instal nuclear proplusion.How much wilk it take for Russia to complete all the facility for ship engine and if India can take part in a joint effort to make NG ship engine?
     
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    Its not possible to fit nuclear propulsion in the place of conventional. So cannot do it
     
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    We were looking to buy another three Talwars for a long time now, fits in with our plan of a 200 ship Navy by 2030.I say if the price is right we should go along with it.
     
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    Russia to provide India with a license for the construction of frigates
    Russia and India are negotiating a license to manufacture Russian frigates for Project 11356, "Rosoboronexport" press service tells reporters on Wednesday on the eve of the Defexpo India-2016 arms and military equipment exhibition.

    "Today, we are conducting negotiations about a possible construction of submarines for Project 75 (i) on the basis of the latest diesel and electric submarines " Amur-1650 ", and we will also be discussing prospects for the purchase of an additional batch of frigates for Project 11356 and the organisation of their licensed production in India", - as it was stated in the press release.

    The largest military salon in South Asia Defexpo India has been held since 2000, once every two years. For the first time in 2016, the exhibition will take place in Kvitol South Goa (previously it was held in New Delhi). The Unified Russian exposition will be headed by Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, Victor Drojjov and the joint "Rostec" and "Rosoboronexport" delegation will be headed by deputy general director Sergei Goreslavskii.
     
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    These photos were taken in Nikolaev in February of this year. Go test turbines for the Indian ships. The contract was signed in 2013.
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    India’s first stealth warship very nearly floundered on the shoals of an American embargo on the delivery of the marine gas turbines.Fortunately the embargo was short-lived and the engines were delivered and the Shivalik joined the Indian Navy just a couple of months behind schedule. Navy don`t want any risks unlike IAF.

    LM-2500 is licence-built in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Ukrainian Zorya Production Association-built M36E gas turbine plants that produce more than 64,000 shp, The LM2500, delivering up to 30,000 shp.

     
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    Companies like BHEL should be able to build marine turbines. BHEL has the technical capability as it is not very different from gas turbines built for power generation.

    There is too much inclination on imports rather than developing indigenous sources. I wonder why BHEL is not approached for this purpose.

    Any foreign country can embargo their products, including spares in wartime. It is very hard to manage such diverse sources of defence equipment (dozens of countries, each with its own political agenda). I fear our foreign policy has become a 'tamasha' to only fulfil our defence imports.
     
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