Russia may deploy with India co-production "Sukhoi Superjet"

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    Russia and India are discussing deployment of joint production of short-haul passenger aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100". About this Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told journalists, following the meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on trade-economic, scientific-technical and cultural cooperation.

    "This is the localization of" Sukhoi Superjet-100 "in India - he said. - It can be made here as to the needs of the Indian market, and for sharing access to the markets of third countries."
    He said, "India has also expressed interest in the medium-haul passenger aircraft MS-21", which is completely "meets the needs of the Indian market," as in the number of seats (180 passengers) and the flight range (up to five thousand kilometers).
    Rogozin said that "the first flight of the MS-21 to be held in 2016, and the beginning of its serial production is scheduled for 2017."
    The politician added that Russia "considers promising cooperation with India in the helicopter." "Our proposal in this area involves the use of Ka-226 helicopters, both for civil and military purposes," - said Deputy Prime Minister.

    According to Rogozin, Russia and India can expand the joint production of modules for reception of satellite system GLONASS.
    "We consider separately the question of our cooperation in space matters and agreed to hold separate consultations on the subject, - he said. - It is a manned space flight and projects related to the sharing of the Russian GLONASS satellite navigation system, in particular, the joint production of modules for receiving GLONASS signal. "

    According to him, Russia considers the joint production of modules possible, especially "if India agrees to implement a system of ERA GLONASS". It is a system of satellite monitoring of transport to be automatically notified emergency responders during emergencies.
    Rogozin also called promising "a co-production of electronic components" and bilateral "projects in the field of space instrument." "I think the visit (in December - approx.) to India of Russian President Vladimir Putin, or immediately after it is reached an understanding on the reconciliation of our space program," - he stressed.
    Co-chair of the intergovernmental commission on the Indian side is Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj. During the visit to India by Dmitry Rogozin also scheduled to meet with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

    source:Russia may deploy with India co-production aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100" - News - Economy - Russian Radio
     
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    Good news.
     
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    UAC :: MS-21

     
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    aircraft – Sukhoi Civil Aircraft

     
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    The SSJ100 is a good aircraft but it may not find market in India. Indian govt owned airlines have no ability to buy this plane. Private carriers may not buy either although the planes seems good and cheap for domestic routes.

    The hope may lie with Tata who launched a new airline. Maybe they can build this plane and then use it for their own airline venture.

    Russia should be talking to Tata rather than GOI.

    The rest of the projects should go through. We welcome cooperation with Russia on defence and space projects.
     
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    We shouldn't be fooled by this offer like mig21,mig27,now su30mki!

    After they develop it and passed on to us! We want r&d,design, manufactoring techs. Not some assemblo,some low tech manufactoring. We want knowledge based co-development!
     
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    If this is how Russia is to address India's defence requirements, then one should not get too elated about anything from or with Russia.
     
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    @Ray, I have already said multiple times on this forum that India has its foot in two boats going in two different directions.

    The trust problem will increasingly appear as India's purchases from USA grow. The Russians will feel threatened and probably French will also feel the heat.

    IAF does not understand R&D. A lot of things go wrong during R&D phase. Projections and deadlines in research are not carved in stone. However India should have taken up a larger part of the project from the word go, and would have used its scientific resources to deliver parts which it can like FBW, EW, Cockpit systems etc.

    Where is the participation of Indian research community in this project? HAL is NOT an R&D organization.

    Mr Antony has left a mess in MOD. This government is left with cleaning this mess. Please do not go by these stupid news reports.

    IAF attitude needs change too.
     
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    One has to have diverse vendors since India does not produce indigenous material.

    The rational is that in case of war, sanctions do not choke India.

    A very intelligent policy.

    It would be incorrect to imagine that India is a novice. Kurt Tank working at HAL designed and put the HF 24 in the show window. And HF 24 was way ahead of the times. It is just that India could not find the right engine.

    I do not go by what you call 'stupid news reports'. I have experience in the field and that helps and I have no agenda or bias that impedes me as it may do to others.

    To put it succinctly, when I see a rainbow in the sky, I do not fall for it that it has a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I merely savour the beauty of the rainbow.

    It is true that India has miles to go, but it is not a footnote in contemporary times either.
     
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    Well 1st co-produce then offer to Chinese to get quick bucks.

    Su 30mki futher evolved to Su 35 >>>> offered to China

    PAK FA>>>> Offered to China

    Kilo Subs >>> Offered Amur class to China

    Firgates >>> On sale to Chinese again

    Similarly many armoured vehicles ,Attack helicopters are on sale to chinese after screwing Indians and let Indian pay us through their nose.

    Let make it Indian and keep it Indian.
     
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    @Ray, intelligent policy is full focus on local production. Imports can never be a smart policy.

    If India thinks FGFA project is not delivering, then logical way is to produce AMCA. If India can produce LCA, it can produce AMCA too. Why can't India design a plane with two engines (let us say same as LCA engines).

    Why India did not think of building the "right" engine for HF-24? Maybe people placed more emphasis on foreign trips than on building factories in India.

    India is in FGFA project due to some advantage it offers IAF. I have put a question to you - how much of the R&D burden has India offered to take in FGFA project? The problem with HAL is that it never takes responsibility for R&D.
     
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    Sir, there are no reason to get fooled in it.

    Anyway, it's a business proposal.

    Let some private sector business group get involved in it.

    It is not government's business to do business.

    Some Indian private company can get good chance to start their business in aviation industry.

    I am wrong?
     
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    It is intelligent when you do not produce a sausage.

    We relied on imported rifles in case you have forgotten.

    If designing and producing an aircraft was that easy and cheap, then beggars would ride.

    And then you would not have MNREGA, Food for Security and things.

    Do not have a tunnel approach to India, its requirements and it progress.

    Will aircrafts alone feed empty stomachs?

    They tried and failed.

    Even China which has great defence capabilities have failed to design an engine.

    May read this:
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/marut.htm

    India wants everything on the plate.

    That is why they are stupid when negotiating and give belay.
     
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    I never knew it before......

    Kurt Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Kurt Tank designed the The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Würger.

    [​IMG]

    It became the backbone of the Luftwaffe's Jagdwaffe
     
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    the word "MAY" makes me a little skeptical.
     
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    @Ray, FGFA is not cheap for India.

    Anyway, this is what Defence Industry Daily says:

    "1st Himalayas EW system handed over; Treat unconfirmed reports that India & Russia have settled their differences with caution.

    Oct 21/14: Sub-contractors. Russia’s Radio Electronic Technologies concern has provided the 1st batch of Himalayas internal ECM/ electronic warfare systems for the new jet.

    The Himalayas EW system was developed by RET’s Kaluga Scientific Research and Radio Technology Institute, and is manufactured at its Signal Radioplant in Stavropol. Sources: Defense World, “Russian T-50 Aircraft Gets Himalayas EW System”.

    Sept 15/14: Negotiation. The Russians and Indians are saying different things to Defense News. “A “Russian diplomat in India” tells them they they “have finally sorted out all sticky issues that have been holding back an agreement,” adding that India’s workshare was eventually expected to increase from 13-18% to 40%. India’s MoD refused to confirm this, “especially those [issues] related to workshare between the two countries”.

    We’ve seen enough programs involving India to be skeptics, even when Indian officials will confirm such stories. The magazine’s sources say that India and Russia will sign a final agreement on the program the end of 2014. Take that as the metric, and believe it when you see it. Sources: Defense News, “Indo-Russian Jet Program Finally Moves Forward”.
    "
     
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    Any strategic project done with Russia means china will also get it. Which could
    Mean Pakistan will also get in the future -rd-93 engine one example. Expect a lot
    More delays and price hikes before pakfa arrives in IAF.
     
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    Few more

    Onyx china Brahmos india

    S-300 both nations

    Smerches both nations
     
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    S300 not even sold to India,its just a hoax and rumours.
     

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