Russia looks at railway-based ICBMs again

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  1. Sridhar

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    Plans are underway to create combat railway-based missile systems designed to give Russia a more flexible means of defense.

    The system consists of a train with two or three diesel locomotives and specialized railcars, which look like refrigerator or passenger railcars, but carry intercontinental ballistic missiles, together with command posts, Col. Vadim Koval, the Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman for the Strategic Rocket Forces (RVSN)the Russian Defense Ministry, told reporters.

    Although the last railway-based missile unit was decommissioned almost a decade ago, the system is getting a second look as a means of protecting Russia’s vast landmass as global threats become more diversified.

    “A final decision, however, has not been taken on the issue,” Koval added.

    The idea of using railroads to move around missiles is not new. Koval noted that the first unit of railway-based missile systems was put on combat duty in Kostroma in October 1987, and removed from service in 2005.

    However, with the nature of warfare changing and the global situation increasingly volatile and unpredictable, military leaders argue it may be a good time to give some versatility to Russia’s missile defenses.

    Meanwhile, Russia is looking for ways to counter the US missile defense system, which is being deployed in Eastern Europe. Despite Moscow’s warning that the technology has the potential to spark a new arms race, US and NATO officials remain adamant and refuse to cooperate with Russia. Washington has even rejected Moscow’s request to provide it with legal assurances that the system will never be activated against Russian territory.

    Railway-based missile systems are designed for use along special military patrol routes, as well as railway lines used by the public.

    Formerly, three missile divisions – near Kostroma, Krasnoyarsk and Perm – were deployed. Employing 12 trains, the system transported 36 missiles, each with 10 nuclear warheads.

    Russian military experts say that with technological advances made in missile technology, the use of railroad-based systems could be an effective means of protecting Russia.

    Russia looks at railway-based ICBMs again | idrw.org
     
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    The Russians could also develop a missile shield technology and place it defend themselves............
     
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    Russians had SS-24.
     
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    The rail based system would likely be the new 100 T Heavy ICBM under development ( Code Name : Inevitability ) which is liquid fuel and being developed by Makeyev Design Bureau.

    Both Silo and Rail based system are planned .Rail based system is not certain but Silo based most certainly are.

    Throw up weight is ~ 5 T and it will carry 10 MIRV

    Ofcourse Rail Based System is not new to Russian Strategic Forces since they already had SS-24 which was retired in late 90's the SS-24 had a throw up weight of 4 T weighing 100 T and was all solid fuel
     
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    AFAIF, China is the only country operating Rail based - ICBMs
     
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    Road mobile missiles is even more effective. Wonder why rail based ICBM and why liquid fuel.
     
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    I think liquid fuel has more life span than the solid fuel.........
     
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    Solid-fuel advantages

    Very stable, durable and More thrust for a similar size rocket.

    Solid-fuel disadvantages

    Can't be turned off- once the burn starts, it goes until fuel is used up and Fuel decomposes, so it must be replaced.

    Liquid-fuel advantages

    Variable thrust- the amount of fuel and rate of burn can be changed in flight and Liquid-fuel boosters are more easily re-usable.

    Liquid-fuel disadvantages

    Fragile, many complex parts and Oxidiser (liquid oxygen) must be kept extremely cold.
     
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    It kind of indicates the desperation of the Russians as far as ICBMs are concerned, it shows they dont have the capacity to locate the missiles on submarines and keep them at sea where they would be invunerable to attack.

    For example Trident submarines -- -- carrying 24 D-5 missiles, each with five warheads, per submarine Total of 70 nuclear war heads per sub. The current total is 71 active and 2 reserve as of May 2011 -

    Commissioned

    14 SSBN's (Ballistic Missile Submarines)
    4 SSGN's (Cruise Missile Submarines, converted SSBN's)
    53 SSN's (Fast-Attack Submarines)

    Reserve

    2 SSN's (688-class Fast-Attacks)

    The USS California, the newest Virginia-class SSN, is scheduled for commissioning in October 2011, with another 4 on the way.
     
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    How many SLBM's does RUSSIA possess.......

    They must have more than what the U.S. has, very deep inside the SEA........
     
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    The question is do they work. Russia's Ailing ICBM Program : Discovery News
    Near the end of the cold war they discovered many of the nuclear missiles in Russian silos were inoperative.
     
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    U.S.-Soviet/Russian Nuclear Arms Control


    Number of submarines Warheads
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    Strategic submarines Number of SLBMs and their type Total warheads
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    Project 667BDR (Delta III) 3 48 R-29R (SS-N-18) 3 144
    Project 667BDRM (Delta IV) 6 [1] 96 R-29RM (SS-N-23) 4 192
    Project 941 (Typhoon) 1 [2] - - -
    Project 955 2 16 R-30 Bulava 6 -
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total 11 96 336
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    [1] Three submarines are undergoing overhaul.
    [2] One submarine of the Project 941 type has been refitted as a test bed for the Bulava missile system. It is not counted in the total number of operational submarines.
    Strategic fleet - Russian strategic nuclear forces
     
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    Many Russian ICBM's were destroyed after the fall of the Soviet Union. Most of Russia's
    old ICBM's are gone . They are revamping the whole program but it will probably take atleast
    a decade. Russia still has thousands of tactical nukes probably the highest in the world?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/27/AR2010122702931.html

    Russian tactical nuclear weapons still an issue after START treaty ratification
     
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    Lot easier said then done, doubt if Russia those kinds of resource or funds.
     
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    So they try to intimidate Barack "I can be flexible" Obama not to deploy US missile shield in Europe.
     
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