Russia, Japan to continue dialogue on peace treaty

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  1. nia

    nia Regular Member

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    Russia and Japan will continue negotiations on a peace treaty that satisfies both countries' demands, deputy foreign ministers Alexei Borodavkin and Koro Besse said during consultations on Friday.

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    What peace treaty are they talking about? They're not even in a state of war for the kind of peace treaty that they're trying to show? Even the cold war is over and Japanese better get Russians along their side apart from the obvious red carpet to USA because it would only add weight against Beijing. All this Cold war nonsense has to be stopped by both West and Russia because seriously, this is like stepping back in time again and again despite the fact that world faces a new type of enemy today that is not just limited to either east or west.
     
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    Russia (former S.U.) and Japan haven't signed a 'peace treaty' after WWII up to date. Russia holds 4 S. Kuril islands which Japan claims theirs.

    Japan is willing to offer eco. aids to Russia if all the islands are 'returned'. Before the return of "Northern Territory", no 'peace' (an inscription on a street of Tokyo). Russia once agreed to give 2 to Japan when Russia was in the abyss of crisis after collapse of USSR
     
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    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    Ohimalayaa the bear is bouncing back and the Japanese are scared of a pissed of

    panda (Dragon is too mythical) which does not forget japans past sins.The recent Diaoyu island spat scared them the shit out of their pants so I don't think they will bother about the kuril islands much.
    By the way Ohimalaya why did the PLA and CCP push the Japanese to the point they are thinking to go nuclear??.Now chinese nukes must deter both NATO nukes ,Russian ,Indian and even japanese nukes.Why was the Daioyu drama given such a high?

    Intrested in your opinions Ohimalaya
     
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    IMO somehow it's an extention of domestic politics. What is the most effective way to arouse 'nationalism' and to a certain degree divert public attention to external affairs? Japan the old rival, presented a perfect case - ramming a trawler, detaining the captain over the alleged Japan's Senkaku (Diaoyu) waters under their 'domestic' jurisdiction. The public perception is CCP has been an 'ostrich' avoiding confrontations with foreign 'aggressors' after 'opening and reform' with economic development as priority, and also lots of 'national interests' have been 'ceded' in exchange for a 'peaceful envionment'. Therefore getting assertive with Japan has won a lot of 'bravo' among Chinese for the guts to 'defend Chinese interest'.

    In addition to Diaoyu (Senkaku) China and Japan also quarrel over East China Sea demarcation (oil/gas fields). China for a while was willing to nego. a 'joint' exploration while 'shelfing' disputes. But once China realizes Japan is anyway a 'hardliner' in the US's camp of 'containment conspiracy', China feels it's not worthwhile to 'compromise' with Japan. Of course a nuke war is very impossible when everybody incl JP has the deterrent . IMO, by so doing China also indirectly asserts herself to the US and tests the US's 'bottomline' i.e. how far the US would like to go in such conflicts on South or East China Sea for 'allies'.

    Besides JP as a 'democracy' lacks 'consistency' in foreign policies (how many PMs Japan has got in just a few years?) in the eyes of Beijing. Therefore in simple words, Beijing doesn't regard Kan administration as a 'serious' counterpart.

    By the way CCP can't be seen in the light of 'outdated' ideology. It has to affirm its 'legitimacy' in ruling by catering for "the people's will" although it doesn't have to be 'proofread' by election from time to time. When Indians refer to CCP it often sounds like CCP is 'evil' as a blockade for 'progress'. It's not yet true "for the time being".
     
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    I think it is a ruse by a CCP in disarray about electing the new leadership using this issue as a diversion from more pressing domestic issues.Sometimes you must be honest with the peole right
    Ohimalaya the CCP is not able to understand this part of democracy right now the Hatayoma Adminstration is a left liberal one ,which wanted to reconcile with China now humiliating this adminstration you have given a lot of ammo for the right and extreme right in Japan to come to power and an incentive to actively pursue nukes.Japan can field a nuke in 3 months notice(it has acess to US nuke data remember).Ohimalaya by thinking they got a propaganda victory by humiliating the liberals the CCP seems to have shot in the foot.

    CCP has scared Japan to the point they may already getting nuclearized and might go for the Banzai option if pushed too the edge.The US has a base in Okinawa Japan, that itself says a lot of things


    The sole aim of the CCP is to be in power or otherwise face the democracy by the bullet.'Proofread' will prevent the people from excercising Democracy by using the bullet.There is a reason why the ballot box is preferred instead of the gun.I personally hate the CCP because it proliferated nukes to the Pukes on our western side.Indians don't have anything against the Chinese most of the time ,they are the only other people with whom we can easily relate to ,none else is left.The CCP is an irritant for good people to people relations
     
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