Russia is not selling S-400 to INDIA? What are our other options ??

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  1. airtel

    airtel Senior Member Senior Member

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    what is the need of spending approximately 5 billion $ on 5 batteries of S-400 ?? just 5 are not enough for INDIA . the range of Russian s-400 is 400 km , but range of export version of s-400 is only 250 km ,that means we can not get (48N6) missiles with speed of Mach 6.2 , and range is also medium .

    they will not give technology , we can not get get s-400 before 4-5 years as they have to deliver s-400 to both Russian as well as Chinese forces before they can give us .

    on the other hand we have Akash Mk-II ,Barak 8 , Pradyumna Ballistic Missile Interceptor ,
    Ashwin Ballistic Missile Interceptor etc .

    as Russia is not selling S-400 to INDIA what are our other options ??


    Cant we make our own Air- deference system comparable to S-500 with the help of Israel , in the next 8-10 years ??
     
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  3. warrior monk

    warrior monk Regular Member

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    I don't think that is the case , the negotiations are going on for making of some the parts of the system like maybe some of the missiles in India plus the system would have come only after 2020 as their primary users the Russian military already have a huge order that needs to be fulfilled before any foreign country. So we have time to negotiate with Russia.

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    These systems were on IAF's dime so they were only to protect only certain important installations not whole of India.They would have been used against important airbases of our enemies.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    This was the only deal which should have been a priority in the Russia trip. The defence deal with Russia is a waste of money nothing worthwhile.
     
  5. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    Actually it was the only deal which could have given India enough wriggle room in this falling fighter squadron mess.
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    If you are letting Russia build 12 nuclear reactors that should be more than enough leverage to negotiate a good deal for s-400. I have a strong suspicion China blocked the deal.
     
  7. Scarface

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    First off,the title can be a little misleading.

    Secondly, the 40N6 and 48N6 are the missiles for S-400 not the system itself.

    The 40N6 missile can engage targets at 400km ,while the 48N6 is older and hence only 250km.

    Both are going to be available for export.

    The only S-400 missile not for export is the 9M96 which has extremely good probabilities of killing it's target (1 for rockets - guaranteesd) and 0.9 for Aircraft (pretty close to guaranteed) and it makes sense for them not to sell it
     
  8. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    I will wait for more details to come out. I was really hoping this deal will go through.
     
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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Nothing is official yet. This reminds of the smerch deal where the rockets were suppose to be manufactured in India (32 different types)and the backtrack on tot killed any smerch purchases. I think the deal maybe delayed because modi asking for make in India to be incorporated in the deal ? Possibly manufacturing some missiles?And Russians not ready to tot?
     
  10. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    I think more than ToT your previous point on China blocking the deal is more important.
     
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    Nicky G Senior Member Senior Member

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    No S-400 yet and nothing on FGFA. Slowly but surely, we are drifting away from Russia and inevitably towards US. Now, if we do go for F-35 and US helps us out our AC, that'll just confirm this. Consequently, Russia will go on to sell to Pak.

    Interesting times.
     
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    S400 and Nuke Submarine is getting packaged with Pak Fa. I think Russia is asking us to gulp down Pak Fa as it is, in order to get S 400 or Nuke Submarine. Russia on other hand for now is getting handsomely paid for systems by China with wink wink understanding China can reverse engineer it. Putin needs China which is another Veto wielding, Russian economy boosting nation. China is calling shots. Russia does not back India as it was doing previously. Read recent Salman Khurshid interview in this regard.

    If no S400 then India has a back up option in form of Barak 8 and Barak 8ER. Did you know Barak 8 has been tested against Brahmos type targets ;)
     
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  13. Varahamihira

    Varahamihira Regular Member

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    What are the capabilities of David's Sling?Is it viable for us strategically.
     
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    AnantS Senior Member Senior Member

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    dunno, but with US involved in it... there are severe doubts that India will go for it. Though Israel did offer the system. Trust Israel to develop a spin off version with India as junior partner, that too in case India's BMD development goes on without fruition.
     
  15. Kshatriya87

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    What is happening? S400 deal not finalized. Negotiations are still on going. Also, the deal to build 4 talwar class frigates not yet confirmed. Only came up in news but not true.

    The only deal confirmed is manufacturing 200 Kamov 226 light helicopters for IA under Make in India program.
     
  16. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    S 400 Triumpf deal will go through !
     
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    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Will go through, but with what limitations is the question. If the range is reduced to 250km, we will need to buy more systems.
     
  18. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    I don't think the range will be reduced, India will mix it up.

    Get the Israeli technology of Radars, electronics and other sensors and mate it with Russian Missiles.

    Like what India has done with Su 30 MKI.

    PAK FA will also be modeled like that of su 30 MKI.
     
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  19. Kshatriya87

    Kshatriya87 Senior Member Senior Member

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    But the Russians are not giving us the long range missiles as per posts above.

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  20. Srinivas_K

    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    S400 means a complete system.

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  21. WolfPack86

    WolfPack86 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Well modi ignore Russians for long time and there is no news about nuclear submarines and fgfa fighters. Indian air force not keen on fgfa but they are keen on rafales jets.
     

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