Russia is more dangerous for India...

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  1. JayATL

    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    I can't help but think Russia is hoodwinking India. I find it ironic that Indians here ( some) get fixated about some low level weapons being given to Pak by the US - but on the other hand Russia gives the bigger of the two threats ( china) great military hardware and now they are even co developing long range bombers with China- which is a direct threat for India's look east policy...IMO.

    we all know how close China - Russia realtionship is and that it has always supplied military hardware to China for assets that can/will be used against India.
     
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  3. SPIEZ

    SPIEZ Senior Member Senior Member

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    True. But considering the fact that China also seems to build up arms against Russia and also given the past volatile relationship between Russia(Soviet Union) and China. I don't feel there's much to worry about.

    Also the probability of war or proxy war with Pakis is way higher than an actual war with China.
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Russia and China are not friends (actually competitors) they are just conducting business as-usual.......Russia and China have had more conflicts than - India and China ever did or will ever have in the future!!
     
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    Daredevil On Vacation! Administrator

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    While US gives weapons to a state which sponsors terrorism against India, the Russia supplies weapons to a sane country.

    Also the defense relationship between China and Russia is also much older and they are the largest buyer of defense wares from Russia. So, why would Russia try to stop its own business and lose its major customer and lose one of the major revenue earning option. On the other hand US can live without supplying the weapons to Pakistan, its sales to Pak is negligible of its total. BTW, F-16s and self-propelled howitzers are not low level weapons.
     
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    Russia and China are just doing business and they are no longer blood brothers as in the time of Mao and Krushchev.After all russian arms industry also have to be survived.Dont worry about the new bomber, we too are making new fighters with the help of russians to shot them down .
    Guys pls beware of CIA infiltrating DFI:)
     
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    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    I would agree with him, Russia's game for short term cash, is affecting our preparedness.China is not a sane country by any measure of the stick. That said, We should be still annoy the US with our protest.
     
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    How easily you discount the lives of civilains being killed by maoists that - was it last week, I read an article that were being supplied / protected by china? how easily you forget that all those long range missiles pak got was from china...

    Cops nail China link with Naxalshttp://articles.timesofindia.indiat...i/30257863_1_maoist-cadres-pla-training-camps


    ahh so getting Chinese made nuclear warhead capable missiles is less dangerous than F16 deal( which has kill switch, not allowed to fly out of its border, based in a separate location with US personnel watching over it). But the logic is - oh we understand business is business when it comes to russia / china even if it 10000 times more ' concerning for our military"...
     
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    These weapons are ak47's or type 56 and RPG's. It can be produced even by hand which was done in Afghanistan and Sri Lanka. And doesn't necessarily have to come from Russia and China




    Does what you are trying to say mean China is incapable of producing missile's

    Also it is this reason why we also started targeting the Chinese and their policy
     
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    India can only depend upon herself, no country will fight our war. USA is being good because it needs us in it's fight against China. Had India replaced China as the main competitor of USA, it won't take much time for USA to discover evil in India. Relation between India and Russia is nothing like the relation between India and USSR, but still its way better than USA.
     
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    Russia was an ally and is still an ally of India which saved India in UN many times with its veto power as well as it sent submarines when US was threatening India with its 7th Fleet in Bay of Bengal in 1971 war. Russia sells weapons to China not to ally against India but to earn money - its just Business. We cannot stop another country from selling weapons because we don't have the capability to give business as that of China. Even France, Israel also tried to sell weapons and technology to China before the arms embargo against China.

    On the other hand we cannot also stop US from selling weapons to Pakistan. But you have to remember that US previously supplied weapons to Pakistan to fight against India even giving arms for free through its Coalition funds. But Russia never gave weapons for free to China to fight India. That's where lies the difference.

    Its also not right for us to expect Russia to not sell to China when we ourselves are moving away from Russia and buying weapons from other countries. We cannot be hypocrites on both counts.
     
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    BTW does the arms embargo still hold ???
     
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    changes is the only natural formula with time every thing change
     
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    Its only revealing of one's ignorance in matters when someone claims Russia as anything remote to Danger.
    Russia is perhaps the only family India has got. Have you heard of any other country sending their frontline subs just to counter possible us aggression on a then ill-developed country? No. Russians are our brothers, more than the so called pakis and chinese can ever be.
    As everyone else rightly pointed out, one has to do business to survive. But that never means becoming friends with someone who grabs russian lands and populates it.
     
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    Let's drop the brotherhood part and stop comparing Russia with the erstwhile USSR.
     
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  16. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    SPIEZ wrote:
    I heard long ago that any weapon (small arms) could be made in Pakistan. I have always wanted to have an M1918 BAR.
     
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    you could make a holiday/ pleasure trip down to pukestan and get a BAR sir !!!
    :D
     
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    I know many here will jump over me but truth is that any country which has helped china most in terms of military equipments and technology its Russia. whatever china has is either made in Russia or cheap copies of Russian systems. Maybe there sre some economic compulsions but Russians are biggest helpers of our nemesis.
     
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    Please take an objective view of this and not emotional. Russia is here to do business and in an event of war, do what other big powers do, arm both sides. Russia supported India not out of any true love but as part of the larger game. It did not want India to fall to the US during cold war and thereby lose a country in the IOR.

    The Soviets sent a sub, yes but it was part of the cold war games that the superpowers played. Plus soviets got a good market in India to sell their defense wares. Though it gave favorable terms including rupee trade, but it still made money. There were no free lunches. The soviets did for India what it had to in the game it played with the US. To call them brothers and stuff is all good, but at the end of the day, they are there to do business.

    Its the game India is now playing with smaller countries in its quest to counter China. Vietnam, Myanmar, Maldives, you name it. Its not out of any love, but out of securing national and business interest. For the smaller countries, its good to play one big nation against the other as it gets them stuff either for free or at good terms.

    Soviets ditched the Chinese who were politically their "brothers". So there are no brothers in international relations. Only interests. The Russians have not sold anything to Pak because they didnt want to lose Indian market. If India moves to the west to source its wares, Russia will sell to Pak and there is no doubt in that. In fact the Russians have been noticing Indias increasing closeness with the west and is opening up to Pak. Still India is a big market for them so they will stick around with us. But they have their eyes and ears on the ground to make sure they are not left behind in the game.

    India is grateful for what the Soviets did as it helped us back then. But then if India was in the US's corner, it would have done the same.

    Just remember that in international relations, there are no free lunches. Only permanent interests. The US is not helping India out of love but only to secure its own interests. Just that today, Indian and US interests converge and it makes sense to do business with them and call each other "allies".
     
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    what india and russia are doing is way-way beyond what any other country would even imagine offering india, a little bit of that is in the public domain, most of it is never talked about in the media.

    it will be best left said, the relation between india and russia militarily is at a level that cant be matched by others, certainly not in the foreseeable future.
     

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