Russia Is Doomed

[thethinker]

Part of the economic tool being leveraged against Russia is the export of American LNG to Europe, especially Eastern European countries. Gulf and Middles Eastern gas supplies are also romping up supply lines to Europe. These Gulf countries no doubt are too eager to supply more LNG to Europe.

US Sanctions won't really make a dent in Russia.

Russia maintains good relations with Asian and European countries including India which is a major energy importer. Isolating or imposing Russia won't do much good to anyone especially Western nations.Here is why :

Chart of the Day: Why US Economic Sanctions on Russia Won't Have Much Impact | Mother Jones

 

[pankaj nema]

Russia has not only turned the tide but is on the way to become a super power
though it will take 20 years

It is Europe which is doomed and USA has Nothing but Liabilities in NATO

Russia survived the FALL of Soviet Union and LOW Oil prices till 2003 ie
from 1990 to 2003 and has still emerged as the SECOND Most powerful Country in the World

Russian Conventional Military technology is
good enough to inflict massive and un acceptable LOSSES to NATO alliance

The nukes will not have to be used at all

The Problem with NATO is that BOTH Europe and USA do not have the
Economic strength left to fight expensive wars

If they ie NATO go on a deficit financing spree ie print more money
the Money simply ends up with the Chinese
and the Arabs who have NO love for the West

There fore a new Cold War is out of question where the west simply bankrupted the Soviet Union

In Europe ONLY Germany is standing on its own legs

The Other EU economies are all HOLLOW having huge debts because of decades
of fiscal indiscipline

Even US has a lot of economic problems

And while US was wasting resources in Afghanistan ; China quietly became a big power

So USA has to keep in mind the growing Chinese economic and military threat
while it also confronts Russia

Russia has technology which is the most IMPORTANT aspect of becoming a Global power

And economically too Russia will keep growing strong though slowly but steadily

Simply speaking USA cannot engage in a NEW Cold war with BOTH Russia and China
at the same time

This NEW Cold War will be between a STAGNANT USA and A DECLINING Europe
on One side and Russia and China on the Other side

 

[asianobserve]

US Sanctions won't really make a dent in Russia.

The US has enormous leverage on these systems and can make any foreign bank comply with its sanctions. American Congress is preparing these sort of sanctions against selected Russian banking institutions and Russian individuals. And this is not considering the reaction of the market to sanctions and instability in Russia. AT the start of the Crimean invasion the Russian stock market fell by more than 10%. Russia then spent $11 Billion shoring up the ruble (in just 1 day!). Imagine what a full blown economic war by the West on Russia will like? And the most potent would be individual sanctions against Putin assets and that of his cronies.

 

[asianobserve]

I mean international financial/banking systems.

 

[p2prada]

From one source in Tokyo. Do you think it is significant?

No, but such news comes out when public opinion against a country is required, whether the content is true or false.

I believe Putin has overstepped this time. He has awakened something in the Western coalition that has been dormant for 20+ years. He should watch the next American President for there will be no reset.

Putin always oversteps his boundaries. But he also knows when to back down. That's why he has been in power for so long.

 

[p2prada]

And Russia still depends heavily on West for revenues. But you should read that part of the analysis above citing Russia's dependence on natural resources export for revenues as one of the reason it is doomed. Why? Because gas and oil are bound to go down in prices as America becomes more energy independent.

US demand for oil imports will decrease, but demand for oil will increase from developing countries. It may balance itself out.

 

[thethinker]

The US has enormous leverage on these systems and can make any foreign bank comply with its sanctions. American Congress is preparing these sort of sanctions against selected Russian banking institutions and Russian individuals. And this is not considering the reaction of the market to sanctions and instability in Russia. AT the start of the Crimean invasion the Russian stock market fell by more than 10%. Russia then spent $11 Billion shoring up the ruble (in just 1 day!). Imagine what a full blown economic war by the West on Russia will like? And the most potent would be individual sanctions against Putin assets and that of his cronies.

Not going to work without Europe thrown in.

U.S. sanctions on Russia over Ukraine would need Europe: senator - Business Insider

Specifically :

"The U.S. Senate is considering imposing sanctions on Russia's banks, freezing assets of Russian public institutions and private investors and imposing travel bans because of its moves in Ukraine, U.S. Senator Chris Murphy, the chairman of the Senate's Europe subcommittee, said on Monday.

However, he told Reuters in a telephone interview, unilateral U.S. sanctions against Russia will have little effect if they are not matched by actions from Europe.

US isn't the only nation in world, dollar might or not. Why are nations considering alternative to IMF and already leaning towards BRIC alliance?
BRICS Planning to Create Alternatives to IMF and World Bank - WSJ.com

 

[thethinker]

I mean international financial/banking systems.

The banking pressure works when US gangs up with Europe to destroy smaller nations. Hopefully, none of these Western powers will try that against Russia.

It has pretty much survived everything long before US came in existence (actually prospered after Soviet fall) and will continue to do so.

 

[thethinker]

West will "go all in" only on a nation if they have very little to lose, which is not the case here.


Secret papers reveal Britain has ruled out trade sanctions against Russia | UK | News | Daily Express

BRITAIN wants to delay any sanctions against Russia, according to documents accidentally revealed by a British official yesterday.
But Ministers are considering travel bans on key Russian figures.

Britain's approach was revealed when a tie-less, jumper-wearing functionary became the latest figure to carry a document into Downing Street so that it could be caught on camera.

It advised that "the UK should not support for now trade sanctions or close London's financial centre to Russians".

Ministers should also "discourage any discussion (eg at Nato) of contingency military preparations".

But they should consider visa curbs and travel bans on key Russian figures and support EU plans to provide Ukraine with alternative oil and gas supplies "if Russia cuts them off".

In contrast to tough talk from US Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday the paper urged that public statements about the crisis be kept bland."

 

[asianobserve]

The banking pressure works when US gangs up with Europe to destroy smaller nations. Hopefully, none of these Western powers will try that against Russia.

You are understimating the danger of Russia's actions in Europe. Even France which is a beneficiary of Russian arms buy in Europe has already sounded that sanctions could be on the table for Europe should Russia not budge in Crimea.

It has pretty much survived everything long before US came in existence (actually prospered after Soviet fall) and will continue to do so.

There's no doubt about Russian survival, there's no danger that Russia will be eliminated from the map of the World. What is at stake here for Russia is its current economic and political revival. These are in danger should a full blown economic war erupts.

 

[ramakrishna]

do you think Russia ever cares US ???? they dont ... at lease in my opinion they dont even care them ....

 

[thethinker]

You are understimating the danger of Russia's actions in Europe. Even France which is a beneficiary of Russian arms buy in Europe has already sounded that sanctions could be on the table for Europe should Russia not budge in Crimea.

Business comes first, that's all.

Sanctions On Russia: Why The Europeans May Say Nyet : Parallels : NPR

"Russia's seizure of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula brought with it threats of U.S. sanctions, but Europe, while condemning President Vladimir Putin's actions, has been more circumspect. Part of the reason: Europe's dependence on Russian money and energy.

"It is a matter of simple economics," Alex Melikishvili, senior Europe/CIS Analyst at IHS Country Risk, said in an email.

He noted that the EU is Russia's main trade partner; bilateral trade is in hundreds of billion of dollars annually, in contrast with much lower U.S.-Russia trade (see chart)."

"The European Union condemned Russia's actions but took just one step – suspending Russia's participation in the G8 summit in Sochi in June. If Russia doesn't reverse course in Ukraine, the EU said, it could suspend talks on a visa program that would make it easier for Russians to visit European countries.

But individual states are reluctant: are heavily exposed to the Russian market. that a proposal for an arms embargo was scrapped because of objections from France, which has lucrative defense deals with Russia. And one Italian official told the magazine: "What sanctions can you place on a country that can cut off your gas?""

 

[W.G.Ewald]

If I were you, I'd refrain from leveling accusations without understanding the words being used.

Please read: No, anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism

You are not me, and The Guardian is a leftist rag to which I accord zero credibility.

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[pmaitra]

You are not me, and The Guardian is a leftist rag to which I accord zero credibility.

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In any event, equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is no different from the Trayvon Martin supporters, such as, but not limited to, Al Sharpton, playing the race card.

 

[asianobserve]

OT. Stick to topic guys.

 

[prohumanity]

I do not hate jews as people. They are just like any other human beings. My problem is with the "zionist mindset" which to me is "a very selfish,exremely greedy mentality where profits must be maximized even if they come by selling your own mother's blood...a utter disregard for other cultures, ethnicities, belief in paid ,corporate media to spread lies and half truths...an evil desire to control and enslave the human race, running frauds and ponzi schemes, lack of empathy and concern for poor people, arrogance and narcissistic attitude." These are some of the traits of Zionist mindset I am a believer in equality and justice for all, mutual respect and compassion for all fellow human beings and peaceful coexistence.
Zionist mindset is not necessarily found only in Jews..many non jews also suffer from such a mindset. Zionist mindset has potential to destroy a great nation such as the USA.

 

[SajeevJino]

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I was Interacted with more than 100 Jews both Indians as well as Israeli's too ..I asked them about Zionism ..They said It's a Part of us ..They Love to be a Zionist From Bar Kochba to Theodor Herzle Both of their Intention was Bring the Jews into the Promised land and they did It ..even so They defending the Jewish interest all over the World

See who hates Zionists they getting a Chance to be a liberal Jewish supporters ..Who loves the Zionism they are the hardcore Supporters of Jewish peoples

 

[Kshatriya87]

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[Kshatriya87]

Stop trolling. You posted this same post in another thread.

Yes i did. Thought it was funny.

 

[thethinker]

As expected, EU comes with very mild sanctions (to save face on global stage) while keeping trade relations with Russia intact.

It simply doesn't make economical sense to sour ties with a major energy exporter considering how bad European economy is all around and can't risk a major spike in energy bills now.


EU slaps initial sanctions on Russia - Yahoo Finance

BRUSSELS (AP) — BRUSSELS — The European Union suspended talks with Russia on a wide-ranging economic pact and a visa agreement Thursday in response to its military incursion into Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula, threatening tougher sanctions unless Moscow swiftly defuses the crisis.

The moves at an emergency EU summit came on the heels of visa and financial sanctions the Obama administration imposed on Russians and Ukrainians over the military incursion into Crimea.

EU President Herman Van Rompuy said further measures could include travel bans, asset freezes and the cancellation of an EU-Russia summit if Moscow does not quickly end its aggression and joins meaningful, multilateral talks within days to halt the crisis.

"We are in close coordination with the United States on this," German Chancellor Angela Merkel said. "We cannot go back to business as usual" with Russia, she added.

However, the EU's latest sanctions appeared weak compared to the U.S. ones and to what some more hawkish EU countries wanted, particularly those bordering Russia. Poland's leader noted the resistance to penalizing Moscow remains fairly high among some members of the 28-nation bloc because of Europe's close proximity, energy dependence and trade ties to Russia.

The sanctions on both sides of the Atlantic aimed to rein in Europe's gravest geopolitical crisis in a generation, which developed swiftly again Thursday with Crimean lawmakers declaring their intention to split from Ukraine and join Russia instead and scheduling a referendum in 10 days for voters to decide the fate of the disputed peninsula.

Visiting the summit, Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk branded the referendum illegitimate. "Crimea was, is, and will be an integral part of Ukraine," he told reporters.

In Washington, President Barack Obama said the referendum would violate international law.

The EU put on ice talks on a wide-ranging economic agreement and on granting Russian citizens visa-free travel within the 28-nation bloc, a goal that Moscow has been pursuing for years.

The decision followed tough negotiations among member states divided over how to react to the Russian aggression.

"Not everyone will be satisfied with the decision, but I should say that we did much more together than one could have expected several hours ago," said Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

Tusk said there was "no enthusiasm" in Europe for sanctioning Russia, but he called the moves inevitable, given the country's blatant violation of international rights by its actions in Crimea.

British Prime Minister David Cameron agreed, while acknowledging that stiffer sanctions would not only hurt Russia.

"Of course there are consequences for Britain if you look at financial services. Of course there are consequences for France if you look at defense. Of course there are consequences for some European countries if you look at energy," he said.