Russia import of weapons sky rocket.

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  1. average american

    average american Senior Member Senior Member

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    Geopolitika - Import of Russian Weapons

    Mistral type amphibious assault ships from France.
    Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles
    Trucks and helicopters from Italy
    Thermal Vision Equipment from France
    France is the main supplier of military equipment to Russia. Besides the above mentioned Mistral type assault ships, thermal sights are purchased from the French company Tales for Russian anti-aircraft gun complexes Pancyr-S1, tanks T-80, T-90 and battle machine of infantry BMP-3; radio electronic equipment for fighters Su-30MKI, Su-30MKM and MiG-29SMT, equipment for “a future soldier” FELIN. A contract is being drafted with the company Sagem Securite on the procurement of the equipment for helicopters Mi-26 and Ka-226; quite a lot of the French equipment has been installed in the aircraft Admiral Gorshkov to be delivered to India etc.
    Russia is drafting contracts with French companies on the purchase of the arms production technology. It is also going to buy a license for the closed cycle diesel engines for submarines, to purchase hydro-acoustic arms, torpedo production and other technology. In order to get access to the modern military technology, joint Russian-French ventures are established.

    There are two main reasons of the resent related to the purchase of weapons.

    The first: ever since the Soviet era a large part of Russian society was accustomed to the idea that Soviet weaponry is the best in the world and that the USSR was and Russia is Russia still has the capacity to produce modern weapons, and export it to 70 countries around the world. Therefore the talks about the poor quality of Russian weapons and technical characteristics not complying with global standards for many of the Russians are very unpleasant news.

    The second: companies of the Russian military-industrial complex (MIC) lack orders for its production. According to a Russian military observer Aleksandr Golts, MIC is unable of producing relevant amount of modern weapons and wants to further produce the arms of the soviet era. The Defense Ministry stopped ordering these weapons, and today the producers face financial problems (they have to reduce wages/dismiss employees). When on 15 March the Ground Troops CINC General-Colonel Aleksandr Postnikov complained about bad quality and high price of Russian tanks and suggested the German tanks Leopard, MIC representatives announced about the planned protest actions of MIC employees who were against the purchase of weapons from foreign countries. During the meeting of president Medvedev and trade union leaders on 15 December, Andrey Chekmenev, the chairman of all-Russian Trade Unions of Defense Industry Workers expressed the concern about the “plans to by foreign weapons for the Russian army”.

    Why Russia needs foreign weapons?

    The answer is clear: the Russian military is not satisfied anymore with the quality of weapons and military equipment produced by MIC. Besides, Russia stopped to produce some types of military equipment and its components.



    We must not forget that some of the planned purchase of the military equipment from France, Italy or Germany have political implications.

    This is not the first Postnikov’s statement about a bad quality of the Russian military equipment. He started addressing this problem in 1995 and later the number of similar statements has increased. For instance, on 10 August 2001 the annex of „Nezavisimaya gazeta“ included the extracts on military equipment quality problems in the period of 1993–2001. Its author Mikhail Rastopshin wrote that “there is still a significant gap between Russia and the advanced countries in applying information technologies, microelectronics, optical electronic technology and computer hardware in the weapons production”. The author asks: “Why the Armed Forces have only 30 percent of the modern weaponry? What will be their combat capacity given Russia’s poor quality of the arms produced by MIC? According to the above article, the main reasons of bad weapons’ quality include: insufficient funding of MIC, low volumes of military order, physical and moral depreciation of equipment, qualified ageing workers, etc.
     
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  3. Lubov

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    The whole story made ​​a splash in Russia. Our former defense minister is now under investigation and suspected of embezzlement. In Russia, there is such a thing called a "распил" - "cut". This theft of funds in which you buy something from someone on the public money, and then the seller returns part of the money to you, for what you bought from him, through some offshore. You have no idea how deeply the Department of Defense is rotten to its core.

    I know a little this subject, and I can say why it was made about almost each purchase.

    UAVS obviously. Technology.

    7 VIP-Helicopters. We don't produce such things.

    [​IMG]

    This is the most famous deal. They decided to bought Iveco LMV even when it lost the tender. Iveco could pass only ten meters in the snow, and then got stuck. Ridiculous situation.

    The transaction was interrupted in the middle by the resignation of the defense minister. Unfortunately, they have already managed to pay for the half of order (1700 cars). Originally was planned to buy 3,000 of these cars. Now they buy our GAZ-2975.

    Technology.



    I don't know much background of Mistrale purchase. But i suspect policy or more possible - "распил", because otherwise it doesn't make sense at all.

    They buy the technology for obvious reasons, because of the collapse of the Soviet Union we still 10-15 years behind in electronics. This is a very rapidly evolving market. We can still use the achievements of soviet times, such as in avionics, and they will be perceived as cool, but in electronics we two steps behind.
     
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    Lubov New Member

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    Yes, yes and yes for export modifications. We don't install any foreign electronics in our vehicles for domestic usage.

    Can't say anything.

    Remainder of the text:
    What can I say to this?

    aerodynamics of course
     
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  5. average american

    average american Senior Member Senior Member

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    You may be right or the fact that Russia needs to buy quality weapons from other country is poltically unacceptable, I am leaning toward the latter.
     
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    sob Moderator Moderator

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    This is Globalisation and maybe Russians are going the Chinese way.
     
  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Political fall out has seenRussia cancel any further orders with Italian companies. Iveco is capped at 400. Mistrals 2nd contract is put on hold until the first BPC can be reviewed for performance in Arctic conditions. Most ties with French companies are still open.
     
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    I don't see a problem with that. They need some state of the art cutting edge technology, they are buying that. Fair deal as against the snooping and stealing in cold war era. What could be a better example than Churchill giving them turbine
     

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