Russia 'helping' China with fighter jet technology

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  1. Someoneforyou

    Someoneforyou Regular Member

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    Russia 'helping' China with fighter jet technology
    18 AUGUST 2011

    Sources suggest Mikoyan 1.44 stealth jet knowhow has been passed into the hands of Chinese arms designers

    MOSCOW, Aug 18 - Similarities between a new Chinese fighter jet and a prototype Russian plane have led to suggestions that Moscow may be quietly helping Beijing compete with the world's military powers.

    Experts say the fifth-generation J-20 fighter, which made its maiden flight in January during a visit of the U.S. defense secretary, could have its origins in the Mikoyan 1.44 stealth jet that never made it to the production line.

    A highly placed source close to Russia's defence industry said the similarities suggested Mikoyan technology had been passed into the hands of Chinese arms designers.

    "It looks like they got access... to documents relating to the Mikoyan -- the aircraft that the Ministry of Defence skipped over in its tender to create a stealth fighter," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    He said it was not clear whether such a transfer of technology had been legal. Analysts say Russia's assistance to the Chinese may help Moscow keep tabs on the rising military power's defence capabilities of its eastern neighbour.

    Independent analyst Adil Mukashev, who specialises in ties between Russia and China, suggested there had been a financial transaction.

    "China bought the technology for parts, including the tail of the Mikoyan, for money," he said.

    China's Defence Ministry declined a request for comment. Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), which oversees production of the Mikoyan jets, denies any technology or design transfer took place with China.

    Only the United States has an operational fifth-generation fighter, which is nearly impossible to track on radar. Russia is working to start serial production of its prototype craft in the next five to six years.

    China's creation of such a plane would put the country into an elite group of military powers, although analysts say it will take years to perfect the craft.

    The source said Chinese officials had been invited to the plane's first public display when Russia was in the early stages of creating a fighter jet to compete with the U.S. F-22.

    Rival designer Sukhoi was eventually contracted to help build the fighter and the Mikoyan 1.44, which lacks the radar-evading engineering of the U.S. F-22, was passed over.

    DEVELOPING MILITARY TIES

    Russia, the world's top energy producer, has fed China, the largest energy consumer, with natural gas and oil in its fast rise to become a global power. But it has been unable to keep up with China's military spending, which was second only to the United States' in 2010.

    Relations between the two countries are cordial but, in a sign that the two sides are suspicious of each other, Moscow is boosting its military capabilities in Russia's Far East to defend its position in resource-rich Siberia.

    China, once a big buyer of Russian tanks, helicopters and jet fighters, has slowed its purchases from Moscow as its own production grew but military ties remain.

    "It wouldn't be the first time for Russians to do this," Stratfor Senior Analyst Lauren Goodrich said of the possibility that China had received help from Russia.

    "As long as it can control all the components, then Russia can not only control the production of such weaponry but would also know the signatures of the more advanced weaponry the Chinese have," she said.

    China's ambassador to Russia, Li Huei, was quoted last year as saying defence cooperation with Russia was moving beyond the buying and selling of weapons.

    Beijing is also trying to boost its naval power and its first aircraft carrier had its maiden voyage this month. The re-fitted Soviet craft was bought from Ukraine.

    "The Chinese aerospace industry is booming and developing rapidly," said Mikhail Pogosyan, head of UAC.

    "In the aerospace industry what matters is the experience you have -- not only to start a project but to see it through," he said on the sidelines of Russia's premiere air show, MAKS.



    Source: Reuters
     
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  3. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    yeah, Russia wasn't affraid to sell the design because they know what its potential is... nadda
     
  4. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    Mighty Chines need help !!!!

    Given what Chines members preach us here and on the other military forums, i dont think so, they are capable of doing everything themselves they dont need any one.
     
  5. AprilLyrics

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    russians cares so much about J-20.about a few days there would be an article from russia media talking about J-20.
     
  6. nimo_cn

    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    If my memory serves, many people have suggested some similarities between Chinese J20 and American F22. Does that also indicate "Washington may be quietly helping Beijing compete with the world's military powers"?

    What a load of crap!
     
  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Only thing the J-20 shares with the F-22 is the copied nose/canopy. Rather funny they think mixing and matching two fighters is the way to go. Can't think of anything original.
     
  8. Illusive

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    Well Chinese got the $$$, Russia has the tech.
     
  9. aimarraul

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    I told you that russian friends have been secretly helping china developing two type 5th gen fighters J20 and J19,no one would believe it:becky:,they are very smart businessman,in order to earn more $$$ from our opponents,russia is willing to transfer any tech to china,strategic transport,stealth bomber,you might see all these stuff in the next few year
     
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  10. PLAAF

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    I think pics worth thousands words:

    China's 1960 era J-9VI-2 project, MiG-1.44 merely looks like a poorman's copy of China's 1960 era J-9VI-2 (source:
    http://news.qq.com/a/20080807/001192.htm) :

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    And I am sure Chinese need all the "help" from Russians on how to develop a "stealth" fighter properly:
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    And I am sure russians get lots external helps on how to develop their "stealth" fighter:

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    well might be true but interesting thing to note is that China's case is not an exception and state of Russia.
    china is smart in getting full tech access through money which will be founding stone for further development, as money power it has now was not there in the past and they just modified already proven platforms to enhance their capability, remove some glitches etc etc... now with their hands on this hi-tech knowledge in near future i see china developing planes on its own( fully independent). moreover in this scenario we are out-focusing ourselves. India too funded many russian techs and programs to get it cheaply and looted russians of their hard-earned knowledge. many projects india-russia undertook in past since 1991 are more presentable and open form of china's backdoor tech buy out.
    India in many cases was fooled like in gorshov deal. we should have bought these techs instead of collaboration with russians. this would have given us more experience and capability to autonomously undertake complex projects and aide our indigenous projects like tejas.

    another story is the state of russia. these hi-tech projects are preserved by the developer at any cost until unless it sees survival threatening events occur. we can see how brits are selling their stuff at trash rates so we can imagine what could be the state of russian state in 1990s. both india and china stepped in to help them former publicly by buying what ever it could sell and latter through backdoor buy-out thus supporting their industries to do future researches.
     
  12. AprilLyrics

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    1.china has much experience on developing planes.for CAC,they took years on J-7 series,JF-17 and J-10A,J-10B.they working on 2rd gen and 3rd gen planes.now it is Foreseeable for CAC to work out a 4th gen plane.and it is J-20.what CAC is doing has been done by US 20 years ago,it is F-22.so it is acceptable that CAC designed and made J-20 using nowadays technology.

    2.CHINA has advanced WIND TUNNEL,which is a requirement of 4th gen plane research.no plane can fly without a wind tunnel test.for a 4th gen plane,it is more important.Luckily,we have it.and it should be the most advanced one in asia.

    3.CHINA has advacned supercomputer,and it was the toppest one all over the world,now being replaced by a Japanese one few months ago.that is also an requirement.

    4.CAC has a team,which is full of experience on plane design.

    CAC has its own Flight control system.and china has huge Progress on radar system.china is also working on an engine called ws15,which is for 4th gen plane standard.whats more,they have experience on System Integration.thats why they can make J-20.and thats why US made F22,russia made t50.oh i forgot one important thing,thats money.
     
  13. aimarraul

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