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The October Revolution (Russian: Октя́брьская револю́ция, tr. Oktyabr'skaya revolyutsiya; IPA: [ɐkˈtʲæbrʲskəjə rʲɪvɐˈlʲʉtsɨjə]), officially known as the Great October Socialist Revolution (Russian: Вели́кая Октя́брьская социалисти́ческая револю́ция, tr. Velikaya Oktyabr'skaya sotsialisticheskaya revolyutsiya), and commonly referred to as Red October, the October Uprising or the Bolshevik Revolution, was a seizure of state power instrumental in the larger Russian Revolution of 1917. It took place with an armed insurrection in Petrograd traditionally dated to 25 October 1917 (by the Julian or Old Style calendar, which corresponds to 7 November 1917 in the Gregorian or New Style calendar).

It followed and capitalized on the February Revolution of the same year, which overthrew the Tsarist autocracy and established a provisional government composed predominantly of former nobles and aristocrats. During this time, urban workers began to organize into councils (Russian: Soviet) wherein revolutionaries criticized the provisional government and its actions. The October Revolution in Petrograd overthrew the provisional government and gave the power to the local soviets. The Bolshevik party was heavily supported by the soviets. After the Congress of Soviets, now the governing body, had its second session, it elected members of the Bolsheviks and other leftist groups such as the Left Socialist Revolutionaries to key positions within the new state of affairs. This immediately initiated the establishment of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic, the world's first self-proclaimed socialist state. As the revolution was not universally recognized, there followed the struggles of the Russian Civil War (1917–1922) and the creation of the Soviet Union in 1922.

The revolution was led by the Bolsheviks, who used their influence in the Petrograd Soviet to organize the armed forces. Bolshevik Red Guards forces under the Military Revolutionary Committee began the takeover of government buildings on 24 October 1917 (O.S.). The following day, the Winter Palace (the seat of the Provisional government located in Petrograd, then capital of Russia), was captured.
 

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@Peter, most Russophiles conveniently overlook the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Stalin-Hitler Pact) that ensured WW2 happens.



Interestingly, this pact was concealed in the Soviet Union until 1989!
 
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Russia was persecuted with all the evils of feudalism and struggling under the yoke of aristocracy that had no accountability. And it was an era in Europe of industrialisation and empowerment to some extent of lower classes.

Therefore, the seeds of a revolution or a change to shake off the abject poverty and downright ghoulish and devilish treatment of the lower classes to include the workers and peasants was in the air.

The World War, the internal troubles, the workers demands all churned up to give rise to the Mensheviks and later the Bolsheviks to capture the space and force the end of feudalism and the aristocracy. It would be foolish to ut of sheer pique, cussedness of dislike for Communism, and such like negative sentiments to condemn the revolution. It is important to understand the contemporary environment of that time to judge.

It was the jockeying for space with the White Russians (the aristocracy) and kulaks that a very different and more strident strain developed within the Revolution. leading to the rise of the radicals. In such an environment, Trotsky, initially a supporter of the Menshevik Internationalists faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party but later joined the Bolsheviks immediately prior to the 1917 October Revolution, and eventually became a leader within the Party, who was hunted down and assassinated in Mexico.

In this power struggle, Stalin emerged supreme.

Stalin may have done innumerable wrongs and that is natural in a totalitarian regime, as was seen later with Mao in China, but then that is the way totalitarian regime Supreme leaders operate in a survival of the fittest matrix.

Whatever be the modern commentary on Stalin or Mao, one things is evident, to shake a lazy, agrarian, peasant majority population to become world leaders, one cannot do so with kid gloves.

Unfortunate but inevitable and axiomatic.
 

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@Peter, most Russophiles conveniently overlook the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Stalin-Hitler Pact) that ensured WW2 happens.


Interestingly, this pact was concealed in the Soviet Union until 1989!
Politics, geopolitics and geostrategy has never been a ballpark of morals.

The atrocities of the colonialists and skulduggery practised by the US also cannot pass muster if one applies an independent moral matrix.

There is enough of skeletons in every country's cupboard.

However, he who control the international media, comes out the winner.

That however does not condone what USSR did or what Mao did.
 
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Russia was persecuted with all the evils of feudalism and struggling under the yoke of aristocracy that had no accountability. And it was an era in Europe of industrialisation and empowerment to some extent of lower classes.

Therefore, the seeds of a revolution or a change to shake off the abject poverty and downright ghoulish and devilish treatment of the lower classes to include the workers and peasants was in the air.

The World War, the internal troubles, the workers demands all churned up to give rise to the Mensheviks and later the Bolsheviks to capture the space and force the end of feudalism and the aristocracy. It would be foolish to ut of sheer pique, cussedness of dislike for Communism, and such like negative sentiments to condemn the revolution. It is important to understand the contemporary environment of that time to judge.

It was the jockeying for space with the White Russians (the aristocracy) and kulaks that a very different and more strident strain developed within the Revolution. leading to the rise of the radicals. In such an environment, Trotsky, initially a supporter of the Menshevik Internationalists faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party but later joined the Bolsheviks immediately prior to the 1917 October Revolution, and eventually became a leader within the Party, who was hunted down and assassinated in Mexico.

In this power struggle, Stalin emerged supreme.
You are talking about 1917 (White revolution versus Bolshevieks) and then you concluded that in that power struggle Stalin emerged.

You seem to have gotten your facts confused. In the white versus red struggle in Russia after the dissolution of the monarchy the winner was the latter and Lenin was the leader. Stalin only came later after he succeeded Lenin.
 

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We're off-topic here. Let's talk about Russia for a while...
True.

I posted just to bring in sanity and logic so that biases, prejudices etc does not skew the thought process.

A pragmatic approach is better than emotional, sentimental and propaganda driven one.
 

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You are talking about 1917 (White revolution versus Bolshevieks) and then you concluded that in that power struggle Stalin emerged.

You seem to have gotten your facts confused. In the white versus red struggle in Russia after the dissolution of the monarchy the winner was the latter and Lenin was the leader. Stalin only came later after he succeeded Lenin.
I am not confused.

I encapsulated the issues for if I were to postulate, then it would be a thesis.

My wife's great uncle was a White Russian, Svetoslav Roerich.
 
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True.

I posted just to bring in sanity and logic so that biases, prejudices etc does not skew the thought process.

A pragmatic approach is better than emotional, sentimental and propaganda driven one.
Oh I know why you posted that, but let's not talk about it here. This thread is supposed to be about Russia in the first half of the 20th century.

The Russian history in that period is no doubt full of sufferings. The only issue I think to be debated on is how many millions of Russians exactly were killed directly by various apparatuses of the State and indirectly by tragic policies from Tsar Nicolas II until Stalin's death?
 

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I was looking at the whole thread and its movement as a Moderator.

I was wanting people to judge depending upon the contemporary situation at that time.

Of course, there was much cruelty, but the revolutions except maybe Gandhi's is never without turmoil, strife and bloodshed.

Please desist the fanciful notion that you are some special person requiring attention.

You are just one of the many.
 
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Re: Knowing Germany

@Razor,

You asked what methodology was used to arrive at that 20 million figure. There is something that comes close to answering that question, but it is easy to miss, with those large fonts and bold face fonts that highlight irrelevant sentences. Open the spoiler and look for the red text in the quote:
I may watch the video later. I'm pretty sure there is nothing new in there that I don't know of.

I asked simple question: What is the methodology used for counting/accounting for the so called 20 million victims. I am curious to know.
You haven't answered the question. Instead you have used diversionary tactics (giant fonts, Stalin's grandson, sly remarks etc)

And since you have ascertained that Stalin had killed 20 million, you should have taken the basic step of at least analyzing how such a figure was arrived at.
I would like to know if you have asked that question to yourself and ever thought of finding out for yourself.
If you have: good. You can easily answer my question without utilizing diversionary tactics.
If else I'm afraid it shows prejudice.

Next, I also requested you not to say stuff like this reputed source or that unbiased source (your favorite being Telegraph India) rather simply answer the question.

Thanks once again.
Learn to read before you quote. The figure was calculated by Stalin`s own countrymen mainly his successor Nikita Khrushchev. I do not know where I have used diversionary tactics. You ave not even watched the video. At one point Russian historians mention about his atrocities and how Stalin used to first imprison the wives of those who were disloyal to him. As I have said watch the video the rant and post.

Nikita Khrushchev - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Khrushchev reflected on Stalin in his memoirs:

Stalin called everyone who didn't agree with him an "enemy of the people." He said that they wanted to restore the old order, and for this purpose, "the enemies of the people" had linked up with the forces of reaction internationally. As a result, several hundred thousand honest people perished. Everyone lived in fear in those days. Everyone expected that at any moment there would be a knock on the door in the middle of the night and that knock on the door would prove fatal ... [P]eople not to Stalin's liking were annihilated, honest party members, irreproachable people, loyal and hard workers for our cause who had gone through the school of revolutionary struggle under Lenin's leadership. This was utter and complete arbitrariness. And now is all this to be forgiven and forgotten? Never
You are asking for evidence for the exact figure 20 million. Well I was not there to actually see if Stalin killed 20 million and 100 thousand people or if he had killed 19 million. However there are historians like a Georgian/ex USSR man who along with others who arrived at that figure.

Joseph Stalin, who died 60 years ago in Moscow, was a small man -- no more than 5-foot-4. The abused son of a poor, alcoholic Georgian cobbler, Josef Vissarionovich Djughashvili (the future Stalin) also had a withered arm, a clubbed foot and a face scarred by small pox, but he stood very tall as one of history's most prolific killers.

Stalin's extremely brutal 30-year rule as absolute ruler of the Soviet Union featured so many atrocities, including purges, expulsions, forced displacements, imprisonment in labor camps, manufactured famines, torture and good old-fashioned acts of mass murder and massacres (not to mention World War II) that the complete toll of bloodshed will likely never be known.

An amoral psychopath and paranoid with a gangster's mentality, Stalin eliminated anyone and everyone who was a threat to his power – including (and especially) former allies. He had absolutely no regard for the sanctity of human life.

But how many people is he responsible for killing?

In February 1989, two years before the fall of the Soviet Union, a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin's rule amounted to some 20 million lives (on top of the estimated 20 million Soviet troops and civilians who perished in the Second World War), for a total tally of 40 million.

''It's important that they published it, although the numbers themselves are horrible,'' Medvedev told the New York Times at the time.

''Those numbers include my father.''

Medevedev's grim bookkeeping included the following tragic episodes: 1 million imprisoned or exiled between 1927 to 1929; 9 to 11 million peasants forced off their lands and another 2 to 3 million peasants arrested or exiled in the mass collectivization program; 6 to 7 million killed by an artificial famine in 1932-1934; 1 million exiled from Moscow and Leningrad in 1935; 1 million executed during the ''Great Terror'' of 1937-1938; 4 to 6 million dispatched to forced labor camps; 10 to 12 million people forcibly relocated during World War II; and at least 1 million arrested for various "political crimes" from 1946 to 1953.

Although not everyone who was swept up in the aforementioned events died from unnatural causes, Medvedev's 20 million non-combatant deaths estimate is likely a conservative guess.

Indeed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin's victims might have been as high as 60 million.

Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.

In his book, "Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954," I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.

In "Europe A History," British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.

Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths.

Even some who have put out estimates based on research admit their calculations may be inadequate.

In his acclaimed book "The Great Terror: Stalin's Purge of the Thirties," Anglo-American historian Robert Conquest said: "We get a figure of 20 million dead [under Stalin], which is almost certainly too low and might require an increase of 50 percent or so."


Quotes attributed to Stalin reflected his utter disregard for human life. Among other bons mots, he allegedly declared: "Death is the solution to all problems. No man -- no problem," and "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."

Part of the problem with counting the total loss of life lies with the incompleteness and unreliability of Soviet records. A more troubling dilemma has to do with the fact that many some deaths – like starvation from famines – may or may not have been directly connected to Stalin's policies.

In any case, if the figure of 60 million dead is accurate that would mean that an average of 2 million were killed during each year of Stalin's horrific reign – or 40,000 every week (even during "peacetime").

If the lower estimate of 20 million is the true number, that still translates into 1,830 deaths every single day.

Thus, Stalin's regime represented a machinery of killing that history – excluding, perhaps, China under Chairman Mao Tse-Tung -- has never witnessed.
 
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I was looking at the whole thread and its movement as a Moderator.

I was wanting people to judge depending upon the contemporary situation at that time.

Of course, there was much cruelty, but the revolutions except maybe Gandhi's is never without turmoil, strife and bloodshed.
You probably can excuse the cruelty, personally I think most of the killings were inexcusable, unleashed by the Bolsheviks in 1917 and their consolidation phase. But by the time Stalin took power the revolutionary chaos was long gone. Instead of revolutionary violence what you had there was a vicious power struggle within the Communist party for control. The murders during Stalin were largely a result of his rampage to mute opposition to his power.

A lot more Russians and people from the other Soviet Republics died from doomed policies of the Soviet Government in both the reigns of Lenin and Stalin.
 
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This is from wikiepdia

Before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union, researchers who attempted to count the number of people killed under Stalin's regime produced estimates ranging from 3 to 60 million.[102] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[103] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – with a total of about 2.9 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[
Yes Stalin killed a gazillion men, with his bare ("bear"? ) hands, with a devilish smile on his face. Later he died and ascended to hell and replaced Satan. Recently Stalin came down to earth and killed Steve Jobs. Next is Beiber.

Btw, if you read through historical news clippings (which I am sure you haven't) one will notice that the so called millions actually seem to be going down. At the height of the Cold war the number was around 60 million or more. Recently it has been revised down to 10 million or so.

Just look at that figure from wikipedia you have quoted :pound:
The estimates range wildly from 3-60 million.
Just look at the fluctuation of that 3-60 million value. Are you kiddin' me ? That shows they have no idea what the number is and are making wild guesses.
 

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This is a broad topic. In terms of politics, the early 20th century can be summed up in the following succession of rulers:

1. Tsar Nicholas II, who abdicated on March 15, 1917;
2. Georgy Lvov, Russian Provisional Government;
3. Vladimir Lenin, established Soviet Russia;
4. Josef Stalin, Succeeded Lenin and instituted his own brand of rule known as Stalinism.
More can be discussed
-1. Failings of the Russian Empire in internal security and external intelligence, that led to the Revolutions
0. How the Bolsheviks came to power. Where were most Bolshevik revolutionaries before the revolution (hint: they were in exile in the West) and where did they receive funding.
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3.1 What were the policies of Lenin.
For eg: One of his first move in power was truce talks with Germans wherein he was ready to give Finland, Ukr, Baltics to Germany for peace with Germany (This isn't surprising as Lenin received a large chunk of his funding, for the revolutions, from Germany)
Another eg: Lenin was initially in favor of democratic elections. But soon he realized that the Bolsheviks had much less popular support than he had expected, so he threw away that idea.

@Peter, most Russophiles conveniently overlook the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Stalin-Hitler Pact) that ensured WW2 happens.



Interestingly, this pact was concealed in the Soviet Union until 1989!
That's a lie/disinformation.

Soviet papers released information about the pact almost immediately.
But certain parts of the pact were secret.

This is not the first time sections of pacts or entire treaties were kept secret.

Here's an example of a US-Japan pact that was secret:
Japan's government said this week that previous administrations had lied to the public for decades about atomic weapons. A government-appointed panel confirmed the existence of secret Cold War-era agreements allowing the U.S. to bring nuclear weapons into the country in violation of Japan's non-nuclear policies.
Japan Confirms Secret Nuclear Pacts With U.S. : NPR
 
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I do know how to read. Apparently you cannot. You are asking for the methodology. What methodology do you really want?Y ou actually want the historians to be present when Stalin`s victims were dying even though you claim that you do not want so. :lol:
No one has invented a time machine so we cannot be present in Stalin`s gulags. As for gravestones and official records here`s a thing. Stalin destroyed all official records of deaths. Also are prisoners given a proper burial??? (Then how did you know there were dead? )



This is from Russiapedia-RT

Stalin's Purges – Russiapedia Of Russian origin
Apparently you don't understand what I mean by methodology.

Here is an example.

Even as Memorial, a nongovernmental organization that seeks to uncover crimes of Communist terror and win redress for victims, was announcing its find of the Toksovo execution grounds after a 14-year search, politicians were calling for the reinstatement of a monument to one of the chief killers, Felix Dzerzhinsky, founder of the first Bolshevik secret police.

The forest near Toksovo, Memorial estimates, could hold the bones of 32,000 people executed from the late 1920s until the late 1930s, on the eve of World War II. That would make it perhaps the single biggest grave of Stalinist victims found in the former Soviet Union.
It took Memorial 14 years of deduction, investigation and detective work -- initiated by Flige's husband, Veniamin Iofe, a former political prisoner who died in April -- to find the first remains. They were unearthed Aug. 20 in these woods controlled by the Ministry of Defense and used as an artillery firing range since czarist times.
Now that more than 50 graves have been found, she said, there can be little doubt that this was the NKVD's main graveyard in St. Petersburg during the 1937-38 period known as the Great Terror. In its work there, Memorial has dug down only about 3 feet. The group presumes that there are many layers below, but it says it is not interested in disturbing the dead by doing a complete excavation. :pound:
Memorial's estimate of 32,000 victims in Toksovo is based on subtraction. About 40,000 people in what was then Leningrad and its surrounding region were killed in the Great Terror, but the one known grave of the victims is believed to hold only about 8,000.
Source: Skeletons of History in Russian Graves - Los Angeles Times

1. Memorial: NGO founded by Russians who were in exile in various parts.
2. It took them (NGO) 14 years of searching to find just 50 graves.
3. They (NGO) "presume" there are many layers below but are "not interested" in digging deeper. :pound:
4. They (NGO) "estimates" that there are 32,000 victims there based on "subtraction" not actual hard evidence. :pound:
5. They (NGO) say that with 32,000 it is "perhaps the single biggest grave of Stalinist victims found".

Most other such grave sites are also based on such dubious methods of accounting for the dead like extrapolation, subtraction and not on hard evidence. For example: Bykivnja grave site supposedly holds 200k dead. Actual number of bodies found is the few thousands.

Also looking at the fluctuation of these values: 3-60 million dead shows they have no idea what the number is and are making wild guesses.

As for 20 million: even if the estimated (not actual) numbers at discovered graves are added up it is nowhere near 20 million.
If actual number of dead bodies found are added up the figure is even lower.

This is one method of accounting for the dead. There are other methods too.
 
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@Razor. Your great Stalin destroyed most of the official records. I wonder why he did so???
I am trying to ascertain how certain figures were arrived at with relevance to Stalin. You are the one trying to make this personal (as above) and getting emotional (as below). I guess quality can't be expected from you, when there is less content.

(P.S. This is also one of the many reasons I hate Russia/USSR. Another reason being that woman Catherine the Great)
 
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@Razor,

You asked what methodology was used to arrive at that 20 million figure. There is something that comes close to answering that question, but it is easy to miss, with those large fonts and bold face fonts that highlight irrelevant sentences. Open the spoiler and look for the red text in the quote:
The thing with propaganda these days is people just accept it without questioning and it becomes a trend stuck in memory which does not get revised as the truth is revealed.


Minor Eg: We know "Ivan the terrible". Sure he was as crazy as several other kings during such dark periods. But do we know any else.
How did Ivan the Terrible come about ?
Ivan Vasiliyevich was popularly known as Ivan Grozny. Yes, this is the same Grozny that is the capital of Chechnya. Think about it. Will the Chechens name their capital as "Terrible" :lol:
A more accurate translation of course is "formidable". Ivan the Formidable. But now the name Ivan the Terrible is stuck, and the negative press continues.

Bigger Eg: People call it the Soviet War on Afghanistan or Soviet Aggression in Afghanistan.
But it now known that
1. the legitimate Afghan government made several requests to their neighbors to help them defeat the Mujahids. Several of these requests were turned down by the Soviets until they finally relented.
2. more importantly the architect of the war, the pole Zbigniev Brzezinski has himself declared (with out any fear or shame) that first blood was drawn by the CIA funded Mujahids, that it was not a Soviet attack on Afghanistan that created the Mujahids rather CIA activities that created a demon that haunts the region to this day, that the Soviets were in fact telling the truth but nobody even cared.

In spite of such revelations and after so many years everybody still happily and hilariously calls it Soviet war on Afghanistan. :lol:
This is the case as far as lot of things in history go.
 
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This thread was created on complains of derailment of another thread. People who complain about thread derailment should not attempt to troll into other threads and derail it.

Please do not add noise. The topic is clear. Broad discussion does not mean derailment or adding distractions.

Off topic posts will be deleted. A reason for post deletion may not be provided to members who have a habit of repeatedly ignoring reasons for post deletion.

It is expected that participants will act like grown ups.
 

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Not just those things mentioned, but also to finance revolutions in Russia's neighbors and within. Again in line with ideas of Prometheism.

For example: Boris Berezovsky: Orange revolution, Chechen conflicts (it is interesting to note that most of these Oligarchs are jews, they seem to work in gangs)
There was that fake revolution known as "Orange Revolution" which started winter, 8 years before the Euro-maidan events. Pretty early on former president of Ukr Leonid Kravchuk had accused Boris Berezovsky of funding the revolution. Later Berezovsky himself admitted he had funded the Orange Revolution (link here) from his London refuge.



Well, sorry about that.
It's my fault. Maybe @pmaitra can move the pertinent posts elsewhere.
Yes, they seem to work in gangs, or at least, it appears so. Include Khodorkovsky as well.

The truth, however, is that a majority of Jews are not part of this gang (because there is no evidence indicating that). It is the other way around. A majority of this gang are Jews. They care for nothing but money. William Shakespeare said that in his times. People say that, in intimate discourse, even today.

Now, the question arises, why do these (demonstrative pronoun, for those that are deficient in English grammar) people act this way? A common explanation is that Jews, being the minorities, have always been discriminated against. Coming to Russia, how much of it is true? There was a case, called the Beilis Trial, where a Jew was falsely accused of murder, which was, quite obviously motivated by prejudice. An interesting coincidence here is that this incident happened in Kiev.


Here is an inflammatory leaflet distributed in Kiev. The Wikipedia title has the sentence, "One of antisemitic fliers distributed in Kiev before the Beilis Trial," although, I have not seen this individual in person, so I cannot verify whether he was at all a Semite.

Now, this is one anecdote.

Let us creep a little further into the Soviet Union, and look at another anecdote. In 1949, Boris L. Shaposhnik, a Jew, was appointed the chief of the design bureau at newly built MAZ (Minsky Automobilny Zavod or Minsk Automobile Factory). This company, today, makes the gian Russian Topol carrier MZKT-79221.


MZKT-79221 - the Topol TEL

There are plenty of other prominent Jews that one could find in the USSR. The first person who comes to mind is Karl Marx. Interestingly, Karl Marx is the only Jew that you can criticize in the west without being branded an anti-Semite. :lol:

So, comparing that false murder accusation in Tsarist Russia, and later, in the USSR, there really is no good reason to believe that the Jews have been systematically discriminated against. Similarly, there is no good reason to say Jews, in general, are not loyal to their nation.

The problem is with the wealthy ones. They do the mischief, their voices are heard, their actions are seen, while the ordinary Jew leads a decent life, his voice is not heard, his actions are not seen. This fuels resentment, and witch hunting. If you have noticed in the Ukraine thread, I had posted two articles, one from Haaretz, and another from the Voice of Russia, where an Israeli Jew in each case (and probably someone who really understands what Holocaust is), were supportive of Russia. These voices did not get wide publicity.

Coming back to the Ukrainian situation today, we have seen an exodus of Jews from Donbass after some leaflets were distributed. One wonders why they did not stick around with the militia and join the fight against the Ukro-Nazis? It is good that they left for Israel, to be safe, but is it fair that only the ethnic Russians are staying back, and fighting with their sweat and blood? Tomorrow, when Donbass becomes independent, which it most likely will, will the Jews then come back to reclaim their land? Even if they do, would that be fair to those that sacrificed?

It is not that Jews have not fought for their nation. That MAZ/MZKT guy, Boris L. Shaposhnik, was a soldier too. So were those that led the fight against the Nazis in Sorbibor. So, why not now? Why not today? And the most confounding question is, why are some of these Jews supporting these Nazis?

Now, coming to this Jew and Semite theory, let us agree with the premise that Jesus was a Jew. According to Jon Stewart, who referred to research sponsored by the Vatican, Jesus looked something like this.


Warning: Jon Stewart is a Soviet Jew by heritage. Anyone disagreeing with him will be branded an anti-Semite. Ok, I was just kidding, but I hope the message goes across.

To come back to the serious topic at hand, who on earth is going to try and convince anyone with half a brain that this guy below is a Semite?


Arsenyi Yatsenyuk (I prefer Arsenic, a corrosive and poisonous chemical element).

What evidence can anyone present that this person is a Semite? Craniometry? Anthropometry? DNA testing? Sorry folks, all that Ham-Shem-Japheth mythology is not admissible in a serious discussion.

My personal opinion is that there will always be people who will do anything, including losing one's identity, to further their ulterior goals. Such people can also found amongst those of our kind. I would include Bobby Jindal in that category as well, but not before the Pakistanis who delude themselves that they are Arabs.

A lot of greedy non-Semitic people have hijacked the Holocaust to extort money from Germany, and they have been harping on the anti-Semitic bandwagon for the past several decades. The real victims (the survivors) tend to keep a low key. Now that Germany said that it has had enough, these non-Seimitic Jews are beginning to fund all kinds of unrest so that they can spread their tentacles into resource rich countries where they are not able to take control of the resources or assets by dubious means. Vladimir Putin stands a guard against these global fraudsters, and hence, this relentless dogma against him. The desperation is so high, that these people have started to fund, groom, and arm the Nazis, and why would they not? It is a rehash of same attempt towards the end of the Russian Empire.

And all criticism is stifled by hurling the anti-Semite card.

Here is a very honest admission:
Former Israeli Minister: "Anti-semitic - It's a Trick. We Always Use it."

Amy Goodman interviews a former Israeli minister and she helps expose this trick used against dissidents, the defamation tactic of calling people "anti-Semitic."
Bottom-line: All humans are equal, and so they should be treated. If discrimination against some is evil, then so is giving special treatment to some; and this needs to stop.

And how does this relate to Russia of the early 20th Century? While 6 million Jews died, 26 million Russians also died. Why is the west, and their demagogue media refusing to put everything on an equal perspective?
 
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