Russia Accelerates Asia Pivot

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Russia launches China UnionPay credit card — RT Business
Russian Bank to Start Issuing UnionPay Cards Next Week | Business | RIA Novosti


Forget Visa and MasterCard. After the two American credit system payment companies froze accounts without notice in March, Russia has been looking for an alternative in China UnionPay.

China UnionPay plans to have 2 million cards in Russia in the next three years.

Instead of seeing the small Visa and MasterCard logo on credits cards, ATMs, and retail outlets, Russians will start to see the three words "China. Union. Pay."

China UnionPay first emerged in 2002 on the domestic Chinese market as an alternative to Visa and MasterCard, but quickly expanded internationally, and now is already number one in terms of quantity of cards in the world.

Russia's biggest banks - VTB- Gazprombank, Promsvyazbank, Alfa Bank, MTS, and Rosbank- are already making technical preparations, running tests on Union Bank cards.

"VTB24 already serves China UnionPay cards in its ATM network and now the bank is in negotiations with this payment system to start acquiring retail merchants," VTB24's press office said in a statement.

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Most banks just began their relationship with China by offering clients corresponding services- none of the bankers imagined that they would be issuing Chinese credit cards.

In March, both Visa and MasterCard blocked the accounts of cardholders at BankRossiya and SMF Bank, both which were sanctioned by the US over Russia's involvement in Crimea.

Russian financiers who used to keep their assets in dollars and euros were shocked by the event, and moved their capital back to Russia out of fear one day all their assets would be blocked by politicians in Washington DC.

"Visa and MasterCard have 100 percent trust, but right now, there is no trust in the system, and many, even our clients, have shifted their transactions from American dollar and Euro to Yuan. They are eager to receive this card- we already have a big list of people waiting to get this card instead of MasterCard and Visa," Denis Fonov, Deputy Chairman at LightBank, a small Moscow-based bank, told RT.

LightBank was working with UnionPay long before it knew the cards would be coming to the Russian market - and ordered 10,000 cards pre-emptively as a side service for clients.

As a result of the freeze, Visa and MasterCard will now have to pay a security deposit to Russia's Central Bank, which is estimated to be billions for each company. Similarly, once UnionPay begins operating in Russia, it will also put down a security deposit with Russia's Central Bank, about $3-4 billion, Fonov said.

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$5.3 trillion in payments
There are already 20,000 cards in circulation in Russia, and a second order of 100,000 cards is planned for September. In Russia many banks accept UnionPay cards, but not merchants, that's the next step.

By the beginning of 2014, the payment system had already issued 4.2 billion cards, mostly in China.

In terms of total world trade turnover, China UnionPay is the leader in debt cards, with over $5.3 trillion in payments, or about 47 percent of the market share, whereas Visa has 40.6 percent, and MasterCard only 12.2 percent, according to the Nilson Report.

In overall transactions, Visa is still the leader with $4.6 trillion, and China UnionPay comes in second with $2.5 trillion in transactions in the first half of last year.

UnionPay already successfully operates in Australia and Canada, with their deposits tied to both the local currency and the yuan. In total, UnionPay operates in 142 countries.

China's UnionPay will be a temporary solution for Russia to detach from the West while it prepares to launch its own payment system, which officially isn't slated to begin operating for another 16 months, and according to sources in the industry, it could even be 2-3 years out.


UnionPay is one of the world's leading bank card associations, dominating markets in the United Arab Emirates, Thailand and Turkey. In July, Fen Zhiguang, a China UnionPay representative in Russia said the company plans to increase the number of UnionPay debit and credit cards to two million over the next three years. The representative also mentioned that the company has acquired around 30 new partner banks in Russia.
Can u imagine anything China doesn't make? Or anything Russia can't buy with money (barring hi-tech, longevity which one can't have access to even with money)?
 

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TASS: Economy - Chinese banks to invest $10.8 billion in Moscow-Kazan railroad

BEIJING, September 09. /ITAR-TASS/. Chinese investors are ready to invest 400 billion rubles (some $10.8 billion) in construction of a high-speed railroad between Moscow and Kazan, First Vice President of Russian Railways Alexander Misharin said on Tuesday.

"The project consists of state support and private funds. The government used to ask us: where would you find the rest of the money? So we have found it," Misharin said. The Chinese funds will cover Russian Railways' need for private investments for this project, he said.

In October 2013, Russian Railways reduced the maximum cost estimate for construction of the Moscow-Kazan railroad by 17% to 855 billion rubles ($23 billion). The railway is expected to be launched in 2018.

Russian Highways, also known as Avtodor, plans to attract 70 billion rubles for the construction of the Central Ring Road from a pool of Chinese investment banks, CEO Sergei Kelbakh told ITAR-TASS Tuesday.

"It will be a pool of Chinese investment banks with Russian companies as contractors. The Central Ring Road is in the first place, while the second - we have started to work on the Western Europe-Western China project more actively. The investments in the Central Ring Road stand at about 70 billion rubles," Kelbakh said.

It is too soon to speak about the amount of investments into the roads which will comprise the Western Europe-Western China transit corridor, as the project is still at the stage of the technical and economic feasibility study, Kelbakh added.

According to the project, the 2,300-kilometer transit corridor will enter Russia's Orenburg Region from Kazakhstan and will go through the Bashkortostan and Tatarstan republics and Moscow and St. Petersburg.



TASS: Economy - Chinese pork exports to Russia restored amid war of sanctions

MOSCOW, October 14. /TASS/. Russia's Rosselkhoznadzor veterinary standards agency gave a green light on Monday to imports of pork from China suspended in 2004 for veterinary reasons.

On October 11, 32 containers with 800 tons of pork were shipped to Russia under control of Rosselkhoznadzor specialists in China, the agency reported.

On October 12, Russia's Trade Representative in China Alexei Gruzdev told TASS that China was ready to increase the number of pork suppliers to Russia from two to 10 companies against the background of a food ban imposed by Russia on August 7 on the European Union, the US, Canada and Australia following western sanctions over Ukraine.

"At least eight Chinese companies have submitted applications for pork supplies to our country," he said. Gruzdev said Rosselkhoznadzor specialists are currently checking some more enterprises for their compliance with requirements of the Customs Union of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus.
 

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Russian Sanctions, China, and the Arctic | The Diplomat
Russia's souring relations with the West have given China an Arctic opening.

Russian Arctic offshore energy efforts are in a period of unwelcome pause, and the flight of Western companies in the face of sanctions imposed by their home countries has left the future of these efforts up in the air. But this state is unlikely to last for long. Western firms have left incredible opportunity in their wake, and China is in the perfect position to benefit.

Over the past 10-15 years, the People's Republic of China (PRC) has systematically increased its activity in the high north through various avenues. Russia's current relations with the West are likely to substantially boost this enterprise, which should concern the international community given the importance that the Arctic will play in the years to come. The region's massive resource reserves, China's growing presence, Chinese challenges to regional Arctic governance, and the current standoff between Russia and the West are a potentially potent combination. This situation should be recognized and efforts should be made to mitigate possible negative consequences.

These efforts, however, should not be directed at preventing Chinese Arctic activity. China's wealth and capital make it an important partner for Arctic nations in developing the high north, and it holds legitimate interests in the region. Rather, China's entry into the Arctic must be managed responsibly through international channels to mitigate or prevent any harmful effects. Doing so may also create a rare avenue through which the West can seek common ground and understanding with Russia that can be built upon.

China's Interest in the Arctic

China consumes energy on an unmatched scale, and its hunger is only forecast to grow. This makes the Arctic a natural area of Chinese concern. In 2008, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated that the Arctic accounts for 13 percent of the world's undiscovered oil, 30 percent of its undiscovered natural gas, and 20 percent of its undiscovered natural gas liquids. These percentages respectively equate to roughly 90 billion barrels of oil, 1,670 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, and 44 billion barrels of natural gas liquids.

Beyond raw numbers, the Arctic offers China diversity, security and savings. Despite significant inroads with Russia, China is largely dependent on oil imports from the volatile Middle East that must pass through the chokepoint of the Strait of Malacca in Southeast Asia. In 2011, approximately 85 percent of China's oil imports transited this passage. The source and travel path for these resources, and China's current lack of alternatives, are not ideal. Arctic energy sources and shipping lanes provide attractive diversity and security.

Arctic shipping would also substantially reduce transport costs. The distance from Shanghai to Hamburg along the Northern Sea Route over Russia is approximately 30 percent shorter than the comparable route through the Suez Canal. Such a reduction in shipping time and distance will yield large savings on fuel and increase China's export potential to Europe. In 2013, 71 vessels sailed the Northern Sea Route, moving 1,355,897 tons. This is a substantial increase over the four vessels that did so in 2010. China hopes to send 15 percent of its international shipping through the Arctic by 2020.

China's Pivot North

In pursuit of northern opportunities, China has taken substantial steps toward establishing a financial and physical presence in the Arctic and placing itself in the conversation on Arctic affairs. China is spending approximately $60 million annually on polar research (more than the U.S., which actually controls Arctic territory), runs the Chinese Arctic and Antarctic Administration, opened the China-Nordic Arctic Research Center in Shanghai in late 2013, and plans to dramatically increase its Arctic research staff.

China's physical presence in the Arctic has also increased considerably in the past decade. In 2003, it completed the Arctic Yellow River Station, a permanent research facility on Norway's Spitsbergen Island. China also currently possesses one icebreaker directed toward Arctic operations, with another to be completed by 2016. Despite being a non-Arctic nation, it will soon have the same number of Arctic icebreakers as Arctic littoral states Norway and the U.S.

In the realm of international organizations and politics, China has joined a litany of international Arctic scientific groups. In 2013, it also became a permanent observer to the Arctic Council – the eight-member intergovernmental forum that is the center of international Arctic policy formulation.

Similarly, with respect to bilateral relations, the PRC has actively courted northern states, and made substantial progress with both Iceland and Denmark. Following Iceland's 2008 economic crash, China provided it with large aid packages. In 2012, then Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao began his tour of Europe in the small country, and a Chinese-Icelandic free trade agreement was inked in 2013. China is also aggressively seeking energy projects in Greenland and courting Danish leaders.

The targeting of small countries in great need of capital, investment and labor allows China to use its wealth and resources to cultivate economic entanglement and, ultimately, degrees of dependence. As a result, Iceland and Denmark have become very supportive of China having a louder voice in Arctic affairs and policy. Now, something similar is developing between China and Russia.

Russia's Pivot East

The Arctic has always been a vital interest to Russia. It did not open up northern sea routes or energy resource opportunities to outsiders until after the fall of the Soviet Union, when it was desperate for international investment.

As Arctic forums and frameworks developed, Russia was quick to assert control over its share of the region. Along with the four other Arctic littoral states (the U.S., Canada, Denmark, and Norway), Russia signed the Ilulissat Declaration in 2008 asserting regional state predominance in Arctic affairs. Russia also traditionally showed a clear preference for cooperation in Arctic energy development with Western energy firms over those from China and elsewhere.

Even prior to the 2014 sanctions, tensions between Russia and the West altered Russian calculations. Given disagreements over the handling of international situations (the Libyan intervention and the Syrian Civil War, for instance) and Western condemnation of Russian actions (such as its 2008 invasion of Georgia and tainted 2012 elections), Moscow found it prudent to diversify its energy partner and customer base beyond a strong reliance on Europe and the West. Energy-hungry China is a natural partner for that diversification.

While energy trade between Russia and China has been steadily advancing since the mid-2000s, early 2013 saw the first major Arctic cooperative deal between the countries. The China National Petroleum Corp. (CNPC) contracted with Rosneft to survey three areas of the Arctic in the Pechora and Barents Seas. Later that same year, CNPC announced it would partner with Novatek, Russia's largest independent natural gas producer, and take a 20 percent stake in the Yamal Project tapping the resource rich Arctic South Tambey gas field.

Although Russia's turn east has thus far been largely on its terms, this year's sanctions are changing the dynamic. Compared to smaller countries, Russia has traditionally not been as susceptible to foreign influence. Yet the sanctions are taking a significant toll and severely limiting its potential Arctic partners, leaving Russia with few places to turn. When it comes to its needs and bargaining stature with China on Arctic issues, Russia is progressively finding itself in an even weaker position than that which Iceland and Denmark occupy: in need of capital and funding but severely limited in partner choice.

Western Sanctions as Chinese Arctic Opportunity

While initial Western sanctions avoided Russia's economically important energy industry, later measures have targeted this area robustly, with express focus on Arctic energy procurement. As a result, Western firms such as Exxon, Eni and Statoil have pulled out of operations in northern Russia, leaving Russian firms in need of financial and technological partners.

Absent Western companies, there are a limited number of places to turn for the financing and technology necessary for Arctic resource ventures. There is, quite frankly, no replacement for the technological expertise of Western firms. Yet Russia has demonstrated its willingness to lease or buy necessary technologies from any source it can, reuse old Soviet technology, or simply prevent Western companies from taking their equipment so it can operate them itself. In terms of financing, Russia has a ready and established partner in China, a country not above using Russia's isolation to its advantage.

The resource rich Kara Sea is likely the first place where Western sanctions will significantly benefit China. Exxon and Rosneft jointly discovered a massive reserve in the region estimated to contain 11.9 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 750 million barrels of oil. After completing the much more complex tasks of exploration and drilling but before pumping any gas or oil, Exxon was forced to pull out. Now, Russia is faced with an expensive undertaking that necessitates a partner – and China is in an excellent position to assume Exxon's stake in the resource operation for several reasons.

For one, Russia has already begun talks with China to sail rigs from the South China Sea to the Arctic Ocean to replace exiting Western installations.
Rosneft, which is currently studying Arctic offshore cooperative offers from Asia, has also contracted to sell a 10 percent percent stake in one of Russia's largest oil fields and "Rosneft's biggest production asset" to China, evidencing its readiness to partner with China on nationally important projects to ease sanctions-related burdens. In addition, Chinese prospecting areas in the Pechora and Barents Seas in the Russian Arctic directly abut the Kara Sea.

While assuredly not negating the impacts of Western sanctions, partnership with China in the face of these measures offers Russia much of what it needs: convenience, capital, financial backing, and a ready customer. It gives Russia an outlet as Western pressure mounts in response to its aggressive regional actions. As such, Sino-Russo partnership in the Arctic sustains and reinforces a cooperative framework that stands in opposition to Western international initiatives.

Just as with Iceland and Denmark, China will slowly increase its trade and Arctic partnerships with Russia to substantial levels. This will breed a level of economic dependence. Trade between Russia and China was already trending upward before Western sanctions were levied; these measures will serve to speed up this process. Russia's lack of alternative partners gives China a distinct advantage in any negotiations, and the PRC has displayed this new dynamic by driving hard bargains in energy deals reached with Russia since the Ukrainian crisis began.

Concerns Over a Chinese Arctic

What is concerning about the impact of Western sanctions on China's entry into the Arctic is not the PRC potentially "locking up" a substantial portion of the Earth's untapped resources. Rather, the issue is the introduction of a large, assertive, and potentially combative actor into already tense Arctic relations where Arctic states have a host of conflicting claims to the region that will likely only be exacerbated as global warming opens it up.

China declares itself to be a "near Arctic state" and an "Arctic stakeholder," even though its northernmost territory lies more than 1,000 miles south of the Arctic Circle. As the most populous country in the world, China claims that it should have a say in Arctic policy and disagrees with Arctic issues being decided by Arctic states alone. More broadly, given the region's resource reserves, shipping lanes, and implications for global warming, China argues that Arctic state interests and claims must be balanced against international interests in the seas and resources of the region.

Very prominent and influential Chinese scholars and officials push this rhetoric. For example, the head of the European department of the China Institute for International Studies recently pronounced: "Countries closer to the Arctic, such as Iceland, Russia, Canada, and a few other European countries may tend to wish the Arctic were private or that they had priority to develop it, but China insists that the Arctic belongs to everyone just like the Moon." Similarly, the director of the Chinese Arctic and Antarctic Administration has stated that "Arctic resources"¦will be allocated according to the needs of the world, not only owned by certain countries." And in response to Russian Arctic territorial claims, Chinese Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo declared that "the Arctic belongs to all the people around the world as no nation has sovereignty over it."

In the context of the country's quest for natural resources, Chinese attitudes toward the Arctic are unprecedented. While it has been aggressive in pursuing resources around the globe, China has also maintained a clear respect for sovereign claims in doing so. Its rhetoric concerning the Arctic diverges from this practice.

Moreover, the PRC has become increasingly bellicose over issues it considers to be "core interests." Nowhere is this more vivid than in the South China Sea, where Chinese maritime claims go well beyond what can be realistically claimed under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, to which it is a party. China's growing physical presence in the Arctic, the statements of prominent government officials, and the region's significant potential benefits encourage the sense that China may label its activity in the region as a core interest. The introduction of such a large actor into Arctic international relations with interests beyond mere investment and trade – i.e., claims and ownership – is a recipe for elevated conflict in a region that already possesses its share of tension due to the often incompatible claims of Arctic littoral states.

Finally, the economic dependence being nurtured between China and certain Arctic nations has the potential to hasten the arrival of the situation noted above. This dependence could give China an amplified voice in northern affairs and an ever-deepening Arctic presence. For Iceland and Denmark, Arctic trade with and investment from China are significantly more important to them than the reverse is for the PRC. This gives those countries a strong incentive to support China's regional ambitions and, accordingly, affords China significant leverage. As Russia becomes increasingly isolated and its economy suffers due to its actions in Ukraine and resulting sanctions, it will find itself in a similar position in Arctic interactions. Russian support for Chinese Arctic ventures and interests will begin to grow in attractiveness out of a desire to gain investment and trade, and not to offend its sole significant partner.

Managing Developments

The task for the international community, and Arctic states in particular, is not to attempt to prevent Chinese entry into the Arctic, but to minimize the potential negative impacts this may have on regional and international relations. China is coming, and this is not necessarily a bad thing. After all, it has the finances and capital to significantly spur northern development and it does possess legitimate interests in the Arctic. But China's entry must be handled responsibly, and there are several avenues through which this can be pursued.

The most important one is utilization of the Arctic Council, which the U.S. will chair for a two-year term starting 2015. Members of this forum should craft and propose measures and agreements that further solidify regional governance of the Arctic. This action will make it clearer what level of voice Arctic states will accept from outside actors and will hopefully serve to decrease existing tensions in the region by emphasizing Arctic unity. In turn, this will help dissuade and avoid an overly assertive or disruptive Chinese entry.

Similarly, there must be increased effort from Arctic littoral states to address and resolve territorial disputes through multilateral and bilateral means. The frozen state of many contradictory claims to Arctic sovereignty represent failures of regional governance, evince a lack of consensus on the region's international status, and leave open avenues for non-Arctic states to disruptively assert themselves and increase tensions. Resolution or at least more open discussion and outlining of Arctic territorial disagreements will further solidify littoral state predominance in the region and limit the possibility of disruptive interjections from non-Arctic countries.

In addition, states should not strive to discourage northern countries from seeking and accepting Chinese investment and partnership, but should instead encourage diversity in regional contracting. The benefits of spreading development and other contracts among entities from different countries must be reiterated. Diversification lessens state vulnerability to the actions of a single actor, and also lessens the single actor's ability to influence Arctic affairs through local investments.

In relation to Russia, the Arctic partner diversification recommendation is applicable largely only in terms of Chinese enterprises, given its current isolation – although Russia has also moved in the direction of partnering with India in the Arctic. Moscow is no doubt aware of the risks of becoming too deeply entangled with a single entity. Furthermore, it may seem as though Russia might welcome another non-Western voice in Arctic discussions, but its history of protectiveness over its northern endowments makes this unlikely. When it comes to determining Arctic policy and claims of interests and resources, fewer voices, not more, are better for Russia. Therefore, measures aimed at reinforcing Arctic state authority and outlining limits to the influence of outside actors in the region through the Arctic Council will be very attractive to Russia. This is likely an area ripe for Russo-Western cooperation that can perhaps, in turn, be expanded upon to further alleviate international tensions.

Although it has always been essential for the international community to address and manage China's entry into the Arctic, recent Western sanctions against Russia have hastened the need for action. Luckily, there are useful international methods for such undertakings that maintain the correct balance between being too reactive and being overly complacent. China's increasing Arctic presence has potential positives on numerous fronts, and with the application of prudent policy they are highly attainable.

Andreas Kuersten is a legal fellow with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration within the Department of Commerce. The views expressed here are his own.
 

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The West, which had neutralised Russia after the collapse of the USSR has burnt its boats.

Russia was defanged in all aspects including the military.

Now, with being too ambitious to push the NATO boundaries further, and that too without genuine democratic niceties, they have put Russia in a spot and so it is moving East to contest the West where it hurts.

The West should have heeded that Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.
 
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The West, which had neutralised Russia after the collapse of the USSR has burnt its boats.

Russia was defanged in all aspects including the military.

Now, with being too ambitious to push the NATO boundaries further, and that too without genuine democratic niceties, they have put Russia in a spot and so it is moving East to contest the West where it hurts.

The West should have heeded that Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.

Russia contesting the West in the East? As what, as a giant gas station? Russia is selling big time to China in its bid assemble leverage against the West. China is just all too willing to buy Russia out at bargain prices, in central Asia and now in the Arctic. Soon everything Russian will be owned by China.
 

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Russia contesting the West in the East? As what, as a giant gas station? Russia is selling big time to China in its bid assemble leverage against the West. China is just all too willing to buy Russia out at bargain prices, in central Asia and now in the Arctic. Soon everything Russian will be owned by China.
Read the article from Japan Times and your thoughts will be clear - crystal clear.

Or if you can't find that check this
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I have given you an international overview.

Now, for Christ sake, read, before you want to emulate Quickgun Murugun.

Buying does not mean owning.

Russia was buying from EU, but was it bought by the EU?

Look beyond your myopia.

Yes, Russia is a gas station.

China will build overland routes for that oil to South Asia, SE Asia and East Asia and make a killing in transit fees.

The Chinese love MONEY. You should know it best. Malaysia is already controlled by the Chinese because they have the businesses and the economy of Malaysia well in their grip while Bhoomiputras flounder inspite of unfair favouritism.
 
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Read the article from Japan Times and your thoughts will be clear - crystal clear.

Buying does not mean owning.

Russia was buying from EU, but was it bought by the EU?
The EU is compromised when it comes to Russia. Just look at how timid its response has been against Russian annexation of Crimea. If it was not for the tragic downing of MH17 Germany would not have moved (it is still too cautious). In fact according to most observers, Putin's calculus was that he would not face serious threat from Europe since he has divided it enough hence, he was so bold in going after Ukraine.


Look beyond your myopia.

Yes, Russia is a gas station.

China will build overland routes for that oil to SE Asia and East Asia and make a killing in transit fees.
So how is Russia going to contest the West in the East?
 

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The EU is compromised when it comes to Russia. Just look at how timid its response has been against Russian annexation of Crimea. If it was not for the tragic downing of MH17 Germany would not have moved (it is still too cautious). In fact according to most observers, Putin's calculus was that he would not face serious threat from Europe since he has divided it enough hence, he was so bold in going after Ukraine.




So how is Russia going to contest the West in the East?
Once again Quickgun Murigan in you strikes.

Why should I waste my time when you could not have read the articles that I gave you.

Can't shift coal to Newcastle, can you?
 

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Once again Quickgun Murigan in you strikes.

Why should I waste my time when you could not have read the articles that I gave you.

Can't shift coal to Newcastle, can you?
Your links to articles were not present when I drafted my reply. It was either appended later on or I am having bad internet.

Anyway, looking now at those links I must say we are mostly in agreement, that China is taking advantage of current Russian weakness. Still my question to you is how is Russia contesting the West in the East when all that is happening is Russia forcibly selling in to China?
 
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Your links to articles were not present when I drafted my reply. It was either appended them later on or I am having bad internet.

Anyway, looking now at those links I must say we are mostly in agreement, that China is taking advantage of current Russian weakness. Still my question to you is how is Russia contesting the West in the East when all that is happening is Russia forcibly selling in to China?
Fine.

As I said Qucigun you are!

Now read it.
 

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China buys more from Saudi and Iran than from Russia for the time being. Does it imply Iran and Saudi are owned by China ? :laugh:

China herself is the world's No.4 oil producer herself. With intensive exploration in China Seas this position may rise in decades. But beware, there may be Sakashvilli moments in Asia Pacific too.

Once a boogeyman , always a boogeyman. No matter how "neutralized" Russia may look like the west is never comfortable with a bear of that scale.

There're multiple factors at work for the oil price plunge, the global slowdown, oversupply, increased fracking activities... compounded by all kinds of "conspiracies". Even without the slump, European demand is bound to decline, and competition up from such as Turkimenstan. Russia needs to diversify its market base anyway!



The double headed eagle must always look both ways, west , and east all the time. Over dependence on either is perilous.
 

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Fine.

As I said Qucigun you are!

Now read it.

The 2 articles on China benefiting from the crisis is what I have been saying all along. As I said many times China is benefiting because a severely weakened Russia is forced to approach China for money since Western capital has dried up due to sanctions. China for its part is simply taking advantage of Russia's weakness: contracting for future Russia gas at very low prices, buying whatever profitable Russian energy asset it can, buying Russian latest military technology (this one should be a concern to India also). But China is careful not to end up at the mercy of Russia.

The second article on the other hand is perplexing. There is no doubt that the West is bound to suffer pains from the sanctions against Russia, no Western company will go bankrupt however from these sanctions. But what does the author expect Western governments do in the face of Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea and stealth invasion of Eastern Ukraine, just sit there and suck their thumbs? Well this is the calculus of Putin which almost happened were it not for the MH17 tragedy. Initially only the US and Canada were forceful in pushing for sanctions against Russia but none of them (or even both of them) have any significant impact on Russia as they have very little trade with it.
 

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Russia’s NOVATEK sells 9.9% stake in Yamal LNG to Chinese investment fund



BEIJING -- OAO NOVATEK and China’s Silk Road Fund (SRF) have concluded a framework agreement on the acquisition by SRF—a $40-billion medium- to long-term investment fund—of a 9.9% equity stake in the Yamal LNG project.

The Yamal LNG project envisages the construction of an LNG plant with an annual capacity of 16.5 million tons per annum.

According to the agreement, the transaction is scheduled to close after the satisfaction of stipulated conditions precedent, including the receipt of all necessary approvals. Following the completion of the deal, the shareholder structure of OAO Yamal LNG will be as follows: OAO NOVATEK (50.1%), Total (20%), CNPC (20%) and SRF (9.9%).

“We consider Yamal LNG to be one of the most prospective and competitive LNG projects in the world,” Wang Yanzhi, president of SRF, said. “Such observation supports our interest in becoming its shareholder. We hope our entrance into the project will facilitate an expedited closing of the project’s general external financing, as well as contribute to further development of the Chinese-Russian cooperation in the energy sector.”
http://www.worldoil.com/news/2015/9...stake-in-yamal-lng-to-chinese-investment-fund


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Russia Isn’t and Wasn’t ‘Isolated’
Paris attacks didn’t bring Russia out of isolation, it was never ‘isolated’ - except in Obamas fantasies - to begin with

Mark Adomanis | (Forbes) | Russia Insider



Originally appeared at Forbes

In the aftermath of the horrific attacks on Paris, and the equally horrific bombing of a Russian passenger jet in Sinai, there is an emerging consensus that Russia and the West are moving closer together.

Just yesterday the Wall Street Journal noted that the “Russian president was center-stage at the G-20 summit” while even an outlet as famously Russia-skeptic as The Economist admits that “in the face of a common threat from Islamist terror, Russia and the West may be moving closer, if not exactly standing shoulder to shoulder.” Other outlets have struck similar chords.

The general narrative that is emerging is something like the following: in the aftermath of its “hybrid war” in Ukraine, Russia was isolated not just from the United States and the more hawkish countries of Central Europe (Poland, the Baltics, etc.) but even from it traditional partners in the EU such as Germany, Italy, and France.

Moscow was out in the cold, an international pariah supported by no one of consequences and confronted by an increasingly resolute and determined NATO.

However, over the past few months, a confluence of factors has gradually brought Russia back into cautious engagement with the West.

Opinions vary as to the precise weight to assign to each factor, but it is generally agreed that some combination of Russia’s domestic economic problems, the slow improvement of the situation in Ukraine and the piecemeal implementation of the Minsk accords, Russia’s military intervention in Syria, the rapidly escalating refugee crisis in Europe, and a spate of successful terrorist attacks by ISIS has made the two sides far more willing to negotiate.

After Paris, there is even (highly speculative) talk about some kind of “grand coalition” to defeat ISIS. The change in mood is perhaps best expressed by Russia’s sudden willingness to renegotiate the payment of a Ukrainian bond, an abrupt transformation of a position which Russia had loudly proclaimed it would never change.

The story, then, is one in which Russia was “isolated” but isn’t any longer.

There’s clearly something to this. Events over the past few days really do suggest that the West and the Russia are, cautiously and skeptically, moving back into engagement, at least within the highly delineated sphere of counter terrorism.

What the narrative misses is not the ongoing rapprochement between the two sides, but that Russia was never genuinely “isolated” in the first place. Russia is, in economic and demographic terms, a relatively large country, one which spans a significant portion of the globe.

It is not, by any means, a “superpower,” but it is the world’s largest energy exporter, the second largest arms dealer, and a significant (if reduced!) market for the goods numerous large European companies. For good or for bad, Russia matters, and it matters in a way that not many countries do.

Why is it important to note this? Well, given the weak foundation on which the current rapprochement is being built (basically a shared agreement that “ISIS is bad”) it will probably not last very long.

It is conceivable that some kind of joint Russia-NATO campaign could, within a year or two, lead to an outcome that can semi-plausibly be called a “defeat of ISIS.”* After that, the relationship between Russia and the West will, in all likelihood, rapidly deteriorate once again.

If and when that happens, the narrative will once again shift to one of Russia’s “isolation.” But that won’t be the case, because the quality of Russia’s relations with the West do not determine its international relevance.


Whether it’s loved or hated, Russia will maintain positions of significance in global economics and diplomacy. ”Isolating” a country as large as powerful as Russia simply isn’t possible.

The West can inflict harm on Russia’s economy, limit the movement of its oligarchs, and even freeze the assets of its largest companies, but that isn’t “isolation.”

The current, likely brief, rapprochement between the two sides is as good a time as any to remember that.



* this won’t be an actual comprehensive defeat of the group but the appearance of one. A kind of “mission accomplished” moment that lets both Russia and the West pretend that they won and then go home.
 

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Sinopec to Buy 10 pct of Sibur

China's petrochemical corporation Sinopec will take a 10 percent stake in Sibur, Russia's top petrochemical company, Leonid Mikhelson, the latter's co-owner, was quoted as saying by the TASS news agency on Tuesday.

Sibur and Sinopec last month agreed that the Chinese company would become a Sibur shareholder. The deal, signed in Beijing during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit, is expected to be completed by Dec. 1 2015.
 

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In Russia-China alliance, an Arctic dimension

Igor Sechin and his Rosneft is a key stakeholder in the comprehensive partnerships now formed between Russia and China. (Photo: Rosneft.ru)

Moscow is getting ready to fuel China’s energy-hungry economy and is using Arctic assets in its bargain. Not only will Russian Arctic gas flow towards Beijing, China is also likely to get new footholds in offshore assets.

The Kremlin is quickly moving its priorities towards the east and is putting its bets on comprehesive partnerships with China.

In that great geopolitical shift, the Arctic is playing a central role. Not only will oil and gas from Arctic fields run through the new eastbound pipelines, but China is also securing stakes in a number of assets in Russian Arctic waters and territories.

The so-called western pipeline route, a projected line running through the Russian Altay region and into China’s Xinjiang province, will supply China with an annual of 30 billion cubic meters of gas. A preliminary deal on the pipeline was signalled by Gazprom’s Aleksey Miller and CNPC leaders in early November this year.

That pipeline will be filled with gas from Yamal, the gas-rich peninsula in the Russian far north, newspaper Vedomosti reports.

The western Russia-China pipeline through Altay will complement an eastern project bringing gas into northeast Chinese territories. Together the two project will be able to supply China with a total of 68 billion cubic meters of gas. In addition, Gazprom might ultimately drop its plans for a Vladivostok LNG plant and instead pipeline the gas across the Chinese border.

With the deals, the two countries are being tied closely together, not only in economic terms, but also literally speaking with infrastructure and hardware. With the pipelines, Russia irreversibly attaches itself to the powerful Asian country, a giant which for decades have hungred for the abundant natural resources of its northern neigbour.

Offshore projects
During his visit to China this month, Aleksey Miller also met with Wang Yilin, Chairman of the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOP), and discussed joint action on the shelf. Most likely, the two company leaders looked at partnerships also in the Russian Arctic. Gazprom and Rosneft are both in a squeeze following the introduction of Western sanction. The two Russian state companies will not be able to follow up their ambitions Arctic exploration and drilling programs without western cash and technology. The Chinese might be able to give them some relief.

Among the Gazprom projects where the CNOOP could be invited is the Dolginskoye in the Pechora Sea, and possibly also the nearby Prirazlomnoye project. While the latter is already in production, the former is planned to be operation before year 2020. Aleksandr Dyukov, General Director of operator company Gazprom Neft, earlier this month confirmed that he is looking for a partner in the project, and most possibly an Asian company,RIA Novosti reports.

Developing Arctic LNG
Also Rosneft is in the process of embracing the Chinese in its shelf projects. During last month’s meetings, the sides discussed the possibility to cooperate in LNG projects. Among those could be Rosneft’s previously announced LNG plans in the Arctic.

As reported by BarentsObserver, Rosneft is also cooperating with Chinese companies in the Barents Sea and the Pechora Sea and might have signed a deal with CNPC about the development of the Zapadno-Prinovozemelsky, Yuzhno-Russky and Medynsko-Varandeysky structures.

China is reportedly also ready to expand its cooperation with Novatek and might ultimately take on a bigger share of the Yamal LNG project, Vedomosti informs. The CNPC from before controls a 20 percent stake in the project. The Chinese company is also interest in taking part in the development of Novatek’s Arctic LNG 1, Arctic LNG 2 and Arctic LNG 3 projects, all of them planned implemented in the Gydan Peninsula.

http://barentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2014/11/russia-china-alliance-arctic-dimension-14-11

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Russia to place global navigation stations in China

MOSCOW — Several ground bases of Russia’s Global Navigation Satellite System (Glonass) will be deployed in China, a Russian company said on Nov 11.


“We with our Chinese colleagues have already inspected the sites near Chinese cities of Urumqi and Changchun. In December we’ll start joint works at the chosen sites,” said Andrei Tyulin, general manager of the Russian Space Systems company.

The deployment will enhance quality of navigation service for users of Russia’s global navigation system Glonass, bringing location accuracy to one meter or better, Interfax news agency quoted Tyulin as saying.

“Joint work with Chinese partners has been especially important in order to meet the growing demand for the precision positioning services,” Tyulin said.

Currently Glonass operates 19 ground stations in Russia, three in Antarctic and one in Brazil. Two more stations are to be deployed in Kazakhstan and one more in Belarus.

Russia plans to deploy 40 to 50 Glonass ground stations around the world, including the United States, South Africa and Brazil. The system deployment started in 1993 as Russia’s answer to the US Global Positioning System (GPS).

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said in April that Russia eyes closer economic ties with China especially on joint projects in the high-tech field, including the Glonass and China’s Beidou satellite navigation systems.

Dream team: Russia's GLONASS & China's BeiDou to make satnav system parts together

Engineers work on a GLONASS-K space navigation satellite © Ilya Naymushin / RIA Novosti

China's BeiDou navigation satellite system, which reportedly boasts accuracy to the centimeter, and Russia's GLONASS, hailed as the only global rival to GPS, plan to join forces and build a production facility.
The news was broken by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who spoke in Harbin, the capital of the northeast Chinese province of Heilongjiang. He added that it is planned that the facility for production of receiver modules and chipsets will be based in Russia.

According to the Xinhua news agency, China began to build the BeiDou satellite navigation system in 1994, two decades after the US developed GPS. China is the third country to have an independent satellite navigation and positioning system, after the US and Russia.

BeiDou now has about 20 satellites that ensure positioning to an accuracy of 10 meters, which is set to get even better with the introduction of next generation satellites. With the help of ground-based facilities, the positioning precision of BeiDou is now accurate to the centimeter, according to Xinhua.


Long March 3C, carrying the 6th Beidou navigational satellite, lifts off from the launch pad at the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, Sichuan province, November 1, 2010. © Reuters

Yang Hui, Beidou’s chief designer, pledged in September that the next generation of the satellite navigation system will rival the next generation of GPS in terms of precision.

Moscow has been developing GLONASS since 1976, with full global coverage enabled in 1995. The system currently comprises nearly 30 satellites, including 24 operational spacecraft, three spares, and one platform in the flight-testing phase. There are 19 ground stations providing consumers with a navigation signal with an accuracy of one meter. Three stations are also located in the Antarctic and one in Brazil, with two more to be constructed in Kazakhstan and one in Belarus.

Russia is likely to sign a rocket engine delivery agreement with China in mid-December, during Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev’s visit to Beijing.

"We are talking about an agreement to deliver Russian rocket engines to China, as well as counter deliveries of Chinese microelectronics we need in spacecraft development," Deputy PM Rogozin told journalists.

China’s rapidly developing space program has recently raised the alarm for the US, with the Pentagon saying in a report to Congress earlier this year that Beijing's space activities allegedly consist of testing new anti-space technologies.

READ MORE: China fast builds ‘counter-space’ capabilities to counter US satellites, Pentagon warns

While acquiring new space assets of its own, China is developing “a variety of capabilities designed to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by adversaries during a crisis or conflict, including the development of directed-energy weapons and satellite jammers,” the report warned.

China has denied developing any counter-satellite technologies whatsoever.
 

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