Row in China after beggars are fenced off at temple fair

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  1. Daredevil

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    Row in China after beggars are fenced off at temple fair

    Beggars flocking a Buddhist temple in China have been segregated by authorities and kept in cage-like enclosures, drawing criticism from social activists, but official say that the move was aimed at protecting them from being trampled by the milling crowds of devotees.

    Human rights campaigners expressed outrage after beggars in the Nanchang region were ordered to stay in cages during a religious festival at the temple.

    “They were being segregated behind enclosures that resemble cages to ensure their safety and stop them from annoying visitors,” state-run Beijing News reported.

    Chinese Internet users criticised the measure as an insult and inhumane for confining people like livestock.

    But the local government says the fences were to protect the beggars from visitors to the city.

    “We are keeping them behind bars for fear they will be trampled by the large crowds as they lay on the ground. Many professional beggars, old and disabled, come to the event every year,” an official surnamed Chen from the county government told the newspaper.

    The measure could also prevent visitors from being harassed or swindled, he said.

    The official’s response came after photos showing about 100 beggars kneeling with bowls from the iron bars were posted online.

    Chen explained that authorities were only aiming to protect their safety after failing to persuade them to leave.

    “The beggars can come out to use bathrooms but we only allow them to beg in designated areas, which is behind these bars,” he said.

    The temple has also set up a temporary relief shelter for the beggars, where they are provided with food and water, said a staff member from the temple.

    “I believe segregating these beggars is out of good intention. But it’s awkward, and at first sight can easily spark controversy,” Zhou Zheng, director of the Shanghai Homeless Shelter, said.

    Zhou said special care is needed when trying to persuade them to leave.

    “However, when begging becomes forceful, urban management officers and police can intervene to prevent people from being harassed,” Zhou told the Global Times, adding that normally beggars are taken to a shelter before being sent back to their hometowns.

    Begging is largely discouraged in China with local government subsidising their travel to their native places if they are caught.

    The number of beggars is rising in places like Beijing compared to past with people looking to make extra money by seeking alms to meet the high cost of living.
     
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    Another barbaric act by the CCP government.
     
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    It seems like they even have their own uniforms. :confused:
     
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    smiling and getting free food as well while sleeping the whole day
     
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    This article says cage is meant for preventing beggars from being tramples...they might be beggars but they are not animals...
     
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    I am not defending anyone, otherwise, I won't recommend this site.

    ChinaSmack is becoming popular only because it also translates Chinese netizens' comments without changing the original context.
     
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    I saw the comments and yes some of those comments have protested against this act...but explanation given in article is propaganda..
     
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    Hindi beggars and Chini beggars.......Bhai Bhai :thumb:
    Chinese beggars are probably the only ones that can fight on equal footing with the Indian beggars when it comes to causing inconvenience,annoyance,faking disabilities :rofl:
     
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    People always seek excuses even if they are wrong, that is common.

    If the official didn't defend his act by quoting tramples, what else was he gonna say?
     
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    Can't blame China for caging beggars.

    It would not present a pretty picture of China and hence they have to be taken off from public view.
     
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    Bloody Chinese Beggars look healthier than Con-gress party thugs who have gulped gazillions (leave alone the poor in India)!!
     
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    The Chinese being Communists who do not believe in God do not understand that In Buddhism, giving of alms is the beginning of one's journey to Nirvana.

    One cannot blame them.

    They are wedded to materialism and cosmetic symbolism.

    Therefore, those asking for alms does not appear cosmetically alluring to the image China wishes to project to the world or even to its own people.

    Hence, the action is entirely in keeping with the new material symbolism that is enveloping China.

    I think, if one remembers that, then they will realise the action is par for the course.
     
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    To cut your smug comment, may I remind you about who are allowed to beg in Islam?

    As for those to whom begging is lawful in Islam, they are three only: 1) the person who becomes a guarantor of large amount of money to reconcile people 2) whoever suffered from a disaster or a misfortune that affects his property. 3) The needy person who cannot satisfy his necessary needs from own belongings.

    Do you know them personally to vouch that these people behind the cage do not qualify as above?

    Now if they are smiling, is that a crime?

    If they sleep when caged, what else do you expect them to do, practice kung fu?

    If they had free food, why are the mugs and plates outside the cage. If you did notice, the hand is picking up the alms.

    One has to analyse if one does not know the reality.
     
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    Good move by PRC. It's time we put all beggars and solicitors in prison in India. Begging in India is a big racket, involving criminals, kidnappers, etc..
     
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    A gov's job is help people to live in a decent way by setting up a economic system which people can find themselves decent jobs, not giving alms that is charity organization's job.

    Maybe that is the difference between india and China politicians: indian thinks like a priest (giving alms) while Chinese thinks like a CEO (giving jobs)!
     
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    The urban unemployment rate in China was last reported at 4.1 percent in the second quarter of 2012. Historically, from 2002 until 2012, China Unemployment Rate averaged 4.2 Percent reaching an all time high of 4.3 Percent in December of 2003 and a record low of 3.9 Percent in September of 2002.

    These figures may not be reliable since information from China is not easy to get and not reliable.

    Therefore, some may have to exist on the goodness of the people who gives alms.

    Priests don't give alms.

    People give alms.
     
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    As usual I don't have much faith in "goodness", "goodwill" or "mercy" from a few individuals. A sound social security network /SYSTEM shall be developed to take care of the disadvantaged or disabled to address the problem from the root. A people or an institution can pass out alms or relief to a few, but how many on earth can they cover?

    And jobs, yes even Obama or Romney are crying for "creating American jobs" in which the state has a big role, especially in a developing country like China.
     
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    One cannot uplift the poor of the world with alms.

    One can do so for one's countrymen.

    In all religions there are mechanism to ensure that the poor and deprived are not left in the lurch.

    Modernity has diminished the care for the underprivileged.

    Govt alone cannot do everything.

    The citizens must also chip in when they can.
     

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