RMAF Seeks China's Logistic Support For Sukhoi Fighters

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  1. StealthSniper

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    BEIJING, Nov 6 (Bernama) -- Malaysia is strengthening its military air ties with China and has sought the assistance of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in maintenance and logistics support for Malaysia's fleet of Sukhoi SU-30 fighter jets.

    Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) chief Jeneral Datuk Seri Rodzali Daud said Malaysia was also looking into acquiring some Chinese military ware.

    "China had risen to become the superpower of the region and is advanced in its technology as well and our relationship with China is getting better and better," Jen Rodzali told Bernama Friday.

    "They can help us in many areas, like for parts and maintenance of the SU-30. In fact, Malaysia is also looking into some of the Chinese military products."

    The RMAF has 18 Russian made SU-30 fighter jets while China also has large numbers of Russian made fighter jets including the Sukhoi SU-30.

    Jen Rodzali was among the air force chiefs from 34 countries invited for a two-day international forum starting today in conjunction with the PLA Air Force (PLAF) 60th anniversary.

    He met his Chinese counterpart, General Xu Qiliang, at the PLAF headquarters on Thursday night.

    Jen Rodzali said the RMAF would strengthen cooperation with the PLAF and in the past had participated in the exchange of personnel and regional security information.

    At least six Malaysian military personnel were attached to China's Defence University and Staff College and China has agreed to send its first student to the Malaysia Defence College next year.

    The RMAF delegation will attend a PLAF Air Show and Air Force equipment exhibition at Shahe Airfield near here on Saturday before visiting the PLAF Museum on Sunday.

    The group will also visit Jining Airfield in eastern Shandong province on Monday to witness an exhibition of China-made fighter jets before returning to Kuala Lumpur.


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    What the heck is this about? First of all I thought India or Russia would be maintaining and providing supplies for the planes. Secondly what about China getting the sensitive technology of the MKM that is very close to what India is using. Doesn't the MKM have Indian computers in it? Please answer my questions. Thanks.
     
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    Yes ah. pla is also wondering do. Is. I have a su better than Malaysia?
     
  5. Koji

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    what? can you clarify or restate what you're trying to say? Besides the TVC and canards, I'm guessing that much of the avionics and radar in the MKM is somewhat comparable to the J-11B. But if not, it shouldn't take long for Chinese engineers to get a peek of the:

    "navigational forward-looking IR system (NAVFLIR) and Damocles Laser Designation pod (LDP) from Thales Group of France, MAW-300 missile approach warning sensor (MAWS), RWS-50 RWR and laser warning sensor (LWS) from SAAB AVITRONICS (South Africa),[1] as well as the Russian NIIP N011M BARS PESA radar, electronic warfare (EW) system, optical-location system (OLS) and a glass cockpit.[2] Others include Goodrich lights and communications suite from Rohde & Schwarz of Germany"
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

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    Malaysia will not be sharing anything without the ok from Moscow,has anyone heard what Moscow has to say about this?
     
  7. Koji

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    They don't need an ok, nor do they need an ok from all the other countries that contributed for an inspection.

    What they need an ok for is to sell their fighters, which they are not doing.
     
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    I highly doubt this, Russia specifies what can and cannot be done with the planes just because they sold them dosen't mean any tom **** and harry can poke around and gain information about the plane, I am sure Russians also have END USER AGREEMENTS.
     
  9. Koji

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    Clearly the article states otherwise.
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

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    This is a BS article, I highly doubt the validity of it.
     
  11. Koji

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    Hahahaha. Try to hide your disappointment better. The article has direct quotations from a RMAF General stating that he wants better Chinese and Malaysian cooperation and that hey wants Chinese help with their Su-30. How much more valid can it get.
     
  12. LETHALFORCE

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    The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Austerity battle reaches war games

    Austerity battle reaches war games
    SUJAN DUTTA

    New Delhi, Oct. 17: The Centre has asked the armed forces to slash foreign travel and limit visits overseas for war games to just one in a year, a senior officer has said.



    But eager to continue with their international exchanges, the armed forces — particularly the air force — are tapping other avenues to subsidise costs.

    Air Marshal P.K. Barbora, the vice-chief of air staff, said the Indian Air Force (IAF) was trying to work out arrangements with the armed services of friendly countries to reduce the costs of international exchanges.

    “There is a general directive that we should not have more than one overseas exercise,” said Barbora, who was announcing the contingent that the IAF was sending for this year to Oman for the first time.

    In September, when a general directive was issued by the government to its ministers and officials to cut unnecessary expenses, the armed forces were left out of the purview of the order. But the costs of international drills — which have mounted especially since Indo-US military-to-military relations began intensifying since 2002 — are now biting.

    Last year, the Indian Air force sent a contingent of aircrew with fighter aircraft to the Red Flag exercises in the US — a first for the IAF — costing the government about Rs 100 crore. US officials pointed out that India might not have had to fork out the cash if a Logistics Support Agreement (LSA), which the Pentagon proposed some four years ago, were signed.

    But political sensitivities in India have seen the proposal stuck in the works for years now despite the vetting of it by the armed forces.

    Indian and US military officials insist that the LSA would allow each side to host the other on a reciprocal basis and through barter. There is more hope now on the signing of the LSA after the conclusion of an End User Monitoring Arrangement.

    This year the navy deployed its western fleet to the Mediterranean and up to the Baltic and its eastern fleet up to Japan for multilateral exercises.

    Like the army and the air force, the navy, too, has institutionalised international war games — such as the Konkan series with the UK, the Varuna series with France and the Malabar series with the US — that gobble up its operational funds.

    The IAF has now taken a leaf out of its experience with the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) to subsidise its international training costs. Singapore, a city state, does not have enough land and airspace to train its military. In 2005, India and Singapore began holding the Sindex series of exercises, and Singapore has offered to pay for the use of the Kalaikunda airbase in Bengal.

    Air Marshal Barbora said a comparable arrangement may be worked out with Malaysia and Russia. Singapore has also signed an agreement to pay for the use of the Indian Army’s armoured corps and artillery ranges in Babina and Deolali. Singapore is also allowed to station a detachment from its military in these places for training its soldiers for eight weeks twice a year.

    The Malaysian air force last year worked out that IAF instructors would train pilots, weapons systems operators and ground crew of its Sukhoi 30MKM fighter aircraft. The IAF and the Malaysian air force operate the Sukhoi 30. The two air forces have now initiated talks to not only train but also service the Malaysian Sukhoi 30s in India — a cheaper option than having them flown to Russia.
    India is trying to sell the idea as a win-win situation for all three countries — including Russia and Malaysia. Russia has a transfer-of-technology arrangement backing up the sale of the Sukhoi 30 MKI aircraft to India. Air Marshal Barbora said the talks had been initiated but it could be some months before the arrangement was structure

    China just being a jealous second fiddler as usual
     
  13. Koji

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    Two things:

    1. Your article is more dated than the original posted

    2. Having IAF personnel help with RMAF does NOT exclude any other participation, as so clearly noted by the RMAF General.
     
  14. LETHALFORCE

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    Oct 2009 is one month old and Telegraph is a real source unlike a phony communist chinese no link propaganda source
     
  15. Koji

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    No links!? Did you even click on it?! I suggest you actually start clicking on links before you begin dismissing them just because they don't jive with your opinions.

    It's not a Chinese source, it is a Malaysian source!
     
  16. LETHALFORCE

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    still does not validate what they are saying no agreements, nothing signed no official government statement or agreement
     
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    Uh...an Air Force General statement is a pretty good official statement.
     
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    anything signed? any link to a pact or agreement? just hotair.
     

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