Rising Red tide: China encircles U.S. by sailing warships in American

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    Rising Red tide: China encircles U.S. by sailing warships in American waters, arming neighbors

    China has been quietly taking steps to encircle the United States by arming western hemisphere states, seeking closer military, economic, and diplomatic ties to U.S. neighbors, and sailing warships into U.S. maritime zones.
    The strategy is a Chinese version of what Beijing has charged is a U.S. strategy designed to encircle and “contain” China. It is also directed at countering the Obama administration’s new strategy called the pivot to Asia. The pivot calls for closer economic, diplomatic, and military ties to Asian states that are increasingly concerned about Chinese encroachment throughout that region.

    “The Chinese are deftly parrying our ‘Pivot to the Pacific’ with their own elegant countermoves,” said John Tkacik, a former State Department Asia hand.
    Chinese President Xi Jinping is expected to question President Barack Obama about the U.S. pivot during the summit meeting set to begin Friday afternoon in California. Chinese state-run media have denounced the new U.S. policy as an effort to “contain” China and limit its growing power.
    The Chinese strategy is highlighted by Xi’s current visit to Trinidad, Costa Rica, and Mexico where he announced major loans of hundreds of millions of dollars that analysts say is part of buying influence in the hemisphere.
    U.S. officials say the visit to the region has several objectives, including seeking to bolster Chinese arms sales to the region amid efforts by Russian arms dealers to steal market share.

    States including Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Mexico recently purchased Chinese arms but are said to be unhappy with the arms’ low quality. For example, Chinese YLC radar sold to Ecuador in 2009 did not work properly and sales of Chinese tanks to Peru also ran into quality problems. Both states are now looking to buy Russian weaponry, a U.S. official said.

    Venezuela, a key oil-producing U.S. adversary, announced Thursday that China agreed to a $4 billion loan for oil development.

    And in Mexico this week, Xi announced China is extending a $1 billion line of credit for oil development and pledged another $1 billion trade deal.
    A joint Mexico-China statement said Mexico pledged not to interfere in China’s affairs on Taiwan and Tibet, a reference to the previous government of Mexican President Felipe Calderon who in 2011 invited exiled Tibetan leader the Dalia Lama, a move that angered Beijing.

    U.S. officials say there are concerns that the pro-Beijing shift by the current government of Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto, who visited China in April, will be exploited by China for such political goals, and could be used to generate support for China’s claims to Japan’s Senkaku Islands.
    U.S. officials said there are growing fears that some type of military confrontation could break out between China and Japan over the disputed islands that are said to contain large underwater gas and oil reserves.

    North of the U.S. border, Canada this week concluded a military cooperation agreement with China during the visit to Beijing by Canadian Defense Minister Peter G. Mackay. The agreement calls for closer cooperation between the two militaries, including bilateral military exchanges.
    Chinese ambassador to Canada Zhang Junsai said China is deepening ties to Canada for infrastructure development, in Calgary last month. Chinese state-run companies have spent $30 billion for Canadian oil sands and natural gas, he said.

    At a security conference in Singapore last month, the commander of U.S. military forces in the Pacific, Adm. Samuel Locklear, confirmed the earlier disclosure by a Chinese military officer that China’s military has been conducting naval incursions into the 200-mile U.S. Economic Exclusion Zone around U.S. territory.

    The locations of the incursions were not given but they likely included submarine or warship visits to the western Pacific island of Guam, a key U.S. military base.

    A Chinese military official initially stated at the conference that the incursions were part of a People’s Liberation Army Navy effort at “reciprocating” for frequent U.S. Navy transits through China’s 200-mile EEZs along the coasts. The zones are technically international waters and China has claimed U.S. transits are “illegal” under international law.

    It is not clear why China is conducting naval operations it considers illegal for its maritime boundaries inside U.S. EEZs.
    “They are, and we encourage their ability to do that,” Locklear said, without explaining why the activity was encouraged or where the Chinese vessels had transited.

    Larry Wortzel, a former military intelligence official and specialist on China, said the Chinese military has sent intelligence collection ships into Guam’s economic zone and also the zone around the Hawaiian islands.

    “The EEZ transits may indicate that in the future they could revise their position on the Law of the Sea and military activities,” Wortzel said.
    Wortzel said he does not see China’s efforts in South and Central America as a counter to the U.S. Asia pivot.

    Chinese arms sales, military exchanges, investment and developmenet has been underway for a decade, he said.

    The Financial Times, which first disclosed the Chinese EEZ forays, quoted one Chinese military source as saying, “we are considering this as a practice, and we have tried it out, but we clearly don’t have the capacity to do this all the time like the U.S. does here.”

    On Chinese inroads in the western hemisphere, Rick Fisher, a China military affairs analyst, said China is moving strategically on Latin America, working methodically as part of a decades-long effort to build economic and political clout there.

    “It has cultivated far better military relations with the openly anti-American regimes in the region and could become a sort of political-economic godfather to ensure the survival of the Castro dictatorship system in Cuba,” said Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center.
    Intelligence cooperation with Cuba is “substantial,” Fisher says, and will expand sharply in the region through the activities of its state-run telecommunications firms such as Huawei Technologies and ZTE in the region.

    China currently is “promoting almost all of its non-nuclear weapons in that region,” Fisher said.

    “It has promoted the Chengdu J-10 4th generation fighter in Venezuela and Argentina, and even Peru may be considering the J-10 for its future fighter program,” he said.

    A State Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

    At a recent arms expo in Peru, China was selling a 22,000-ton helicopter amphibious assault ship and an export version of its relatively advanced Yuan-class attack submarine.

    In Venezuela, China is helping the Caracas government circumvent U.S. arms embargoes by helping repair Venezuela’s U.S.-made gas turbine engines on frigates, he said.

    “Another company was marketing several short range ballistic missiles—with no apparent consideration about how it might promote a regional missile arms race,” Fisher said. “The basic U.S. policy is to ‘welcome’ China’s growing influence in Latin America but it is now time for Washington to use both positive and negative pressures to limit China’s strategic military reach into this hemisphere.”

    Tkacik said China is quietly evolving on the global stage and implanting itself across the map with major overseas Chinese communities.
    “And if they [Chinese nationals] get in trouble, as they did in Libya in 2011, China’s navy and air forces can coordinate to support them,” he said. “This support of émigré Chinese communities around the world has become an overt dictum of China’s new security policy.”

    China also has set up commercial bases in key chokepoints around the Caribbean, through its Chinese-run port facilities in Panama, Bahamas, Trinidad, and Venezuela over the past decade.

    Tkacik said those facilities are partly aimed at drawing American attention and easing U.S. geopolitical pressure in Asia.
    China also is investing heavily in Africa, the Middle East, and Indian Ocean region.

    “At bottom, however, China’s strategic targets are closer to home: East Asia, Southeast Asia and the Pacific,” Tkacik said. “That’s why Washington’s Pivot to the Pacific unsettles Beijing so. It threatens to check Beijing’s rising new influence in the Asia-Pacific.

    Tkacik said Chinese naval patrols in U.S. economic zones have been carried out for years through Chinese ocean fishing fleets.

    “It doesn’t need to send out military vessels to Guam or Hawaii or the Aleutians except to ‘tweak’ the U.S.,” he said.
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    China encircles U.S. by sailing warships in American waters, arming neighbors - Washington Times

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    It appears that China is feeling strangulated with the US policy to strangulate China and curb her imperialist and hegemonic designs.

    It is interesting to note that China is playing ball by trying to encircle the United by seeking closer military, economic, and diplomatic ties to U.S. neighbors, and sailing warships into U.S. maritime zones.

    The US neighbours, having had regular access to US military hardware for a variety of covert and overt reasons, naturally find the Chinese weaponry as third rate. Nothing unusual since US equipment are known for its cosmetic and sophisticated engineering. It is natural that those South American nations wary of the US will go in for an alternative to the low quality and non functional and even junk Chinese weaponry and Russia is the only alternative for an unhindered supply of fairly good defence weaponry, equipment and platforms.

    However, China, flush with funds, will still attempt to garner support with liberal financial loans and to that extent, they will succeed in keeping the South American countries within its influence to the detriment of the US security.

    What is however surprising is the defence equation between China and Canada unless, of course, it is the usual cosmetic one that happens around the world.

    Why is China is conducting naval operations it considers illegal for its maritime boundaries inside U.S. EEZs is the interesting conundrum?

    That Guam will be of Chinese interest, of that there is no doubt. It is from where the US threat to China fructify as has been stated in many defence analyses.

    What is of real concern is that China is quietly evolving on the global stage and implanting itself across the map with major overseas Chinese communities.

    Indeed, this support of émigré Chinese communities around the world has become an overt dictum of China’s new security policy and to the detriment of the host country.

    Equally of concern is China's influence on chokepoints around the Caribbean, through its Chinese-run port facilities in Panama, Bahamas, Trinidad, and Venezuela
     
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    Re: Rising Red tide: China encircles U.S. by sailing warships in Ameri

    Well that's how you face up to your enemy. Well done china. Keep at it. In India on the other hand we have weaklings preaching why we should suck up to the US to counter China.
     
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    An interesting view you project.

    Can it be denied that China is on a hegemonic pursuit in Asia to start with?

    Are the Asian countries capable to preventing China's hegemonic pursuit where they claim and occupy territories at will?
     
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    Can you deny that america has been on a hegemonic pursuit for the last 100 years?

    Yes, if there is a resolve. Maybe we should think like the pukes. Even if it means we eat grass, we stand up to China. Please remember China did not get to where they are today by pussyfooting.
    @ray. I cannot talk in third person and prefer to be direct. Nothing personal, just not good at being politically correct.
     
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    one of the last nails for ccp-prc coffin - may still take some time though - yeah like deccades ! :rolleyes:
     
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    Re: Rising Red tide: China encircles U.S. by sailing warships in Ameri

    The US has been on a hegemonic pursuits from the time WW II ended.

    Before that it was isolationist as far as the Americas are concerned following the Monroe Doctrine aimed at stopping European powers to colonise any further the Americas.

    It makes perfect sense to eat grass and stand up. But that requires national resolve. That part has been missing ever since Independence, given the manner we sold ourselves in 1948 to Pakistan over Kashmir, selling off our sovereignty to the powers that controlled the UNSC, then gave away Aksai Chin to the Chinese after a humiliating defeat, made a mess in Sri Lanka, resulting in having to bear the ignominy of China getting a toehold and boxing us in, in the North across the Himalayas and in the South in Sri Lanka, accepting the snub from the tiny island chain of Maldives, dictated to in DBO and allowing Pakistan to arm twist at Sharm al Shiek wherein it was stated that India was mucking around in Balochistan, selling off our economy under the guise of liberation and globalisation to the economic and military powers that be etc etc.

    So, we have, as it is, been eating grass, in a manner of speaking, like the bovine specie.

    If we continue this way, we will be put to pasture by the international community.

    Therefore, it is time to get pragmatic and not be blindly jingoistic, when jingoism is synonymous to chasing the will o' the wisp.

    The US can do nothing much to India since they are separated by many oceans. However, China can do much since it is already breathing down our neck and are encircling us.

    Therefore, the choice is between the Devil and the Deep Sea. A Hobson's choice.

    Hence, without allowing our sovereignty and territorial integrity to be dented any further, it is better to have a 'guard dog' around, without allowing it to enter our house.

    If the US wants to patrol the Indian Ocean, India can do nothing to stop it. Therefore, it is better to join them when you cannot lick them. Join them only in a 'strategic partnership' that is way short of any 'strategic alliance' i.e. military pact.

    Let the US continue patrolling the Indian Ocean since the US has similar interest in the IOR as has India.

    And also turn the tables on China by participating in joint exercises with Japan, Vietnam, Australia and whosoever has a common interest so that India's economic ventures off Vietnam is not jeopardised by the euphemistically titled 'Peaceful Rising China'!

    Just a view.
     
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    OK, but I disagree. Your reasoning is the cause of the lack of national resolve.

    When a retired army man is resigned to the above fate, what hope for the rest?

    The role of the armed forces is to protect our territorial integrity. When a weak government gets in the way, the army must understand that it is the government that is the threat and act accordingly. Instead what happened in Ladhak recently will keep happenning.

    And all we will keep doing is complain about Chinese hegemony. Spineless, selfish and outright lack of self esteem.
     
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    Re: Rising Red tide: China encircles U.S. by sailing warships in Ameri

    @Ray

    Sir:

    That hegemony countered that of communism of USSR and PRC. Does India want to contain China today. or is China not a threat to India?
     
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