Rich Indian temples may have to open their gold vaults

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We are looking at the problem from different viewpoints
My view is societal yours is economical.
I believe that this gold is for the good of hindu society and religion. I also believe that the Fiat currency system will fail one day and it is showing cracks already , with german bods giving negative interest rates. (lol this makes all projects profitable :rofl: ). I am also thinking 500 / 1000 years down the line, when Cristlamofacists will be the majority.
I also don't trust the GoI perpetually.
We are looking not from different viewpoints. But I am looking at the core problem and you are looking at manifestations of the same problem.

Now coming to economics, try to learn from the discussions here and in other places before taking a stand. I had another discussion with @Mad Indian about why German Bonds have negative rate. Go through that post to understand that it is a sign of strong German economy and not some crack(btw, germany has lowest unemployment rate and best CAD among EU countries).
 
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We are looking not from different viewpoints. But I am looking at the core problem and you are looking at manifestations of the same problem.

Now coming to economics, try to learn from the discussions here and in other places before taking a stand. I had another discussion with @Mad Indian about why German Bonds have negative rate. Go through that post to understand that it is a sign of strong German economy and not some crack(btw, germany has lowest unemployment rate and best CAD among EU countries).
Link please .... and I am in germany currently so I am aware of the german "wirtschaftswunder"
(also semi fluent in german :D )
my tl;dr is that the govt should not pray in temple gold and set its house in order. That gold is effectively "off the market". As far as temple's operation and activities are concerned, we can always request a part of the gold as cash. :D
 
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We are looking not from different viewpoints. But I am looking at the core problem and you are looking at manifestations of the same problem.

Now coming to economics, try to learn from the discussions here and in other places before taking a stand. I had another discussion with @Mad Indian about why German Bonds have negative rate. Go through that post to understand that it is a sign of strong German economy and not some crack(btw, germany has lowest unemployment rate and best CAD among EU countries).
It was a sign that Germany has not enough viable investment opportunities to employ any given money and they are taking money just to keep the ball rolling. Kind of like the BoJ was going about its useless life for last 20 years.

It is a sign of incompetence in economic management. Happens when somebody catches fads like buying electricity that is 2/3 times more expensive then the standard thermal power plants. No seed money left to fund anything useful like a blue water navy or a new computing backbone.
 
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First off, temple gold is not a friggin investment decision. It is a sacrifice. And it is not a Nazrana to those who are in power for the time being.

Besides it is also a bad investment decision because the underlying is bad. No government since last few centuries, if you have missed those centuries, including the Modi govt., has yet proved that they have both the good sense and the capacity to deliver on perpetual reforms.
That explains everything!

Put aside a portion of your wealth and block any meaningful use even when you are piss poor. No surprise with thoughts like these the great Dharmic civilization has come to the crossroads that we find it in today.

Don't touch temple wealth to increase the overall wealth in the society!
 

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Never have never will

To the rest I have replied and you are yet to come back with counters.
You said all the westerners are leech and feed on state support. I gave you a counter reply and you have no arguments.

Modi is begging the European countries to help clean Ganga and you are giving sermons on nature.
 

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On a different note of the same topic, maybe it is prudent to keep an eye on which media houses are actively participating in spreading this news. If it is the usual suspects like TOI and india today then we might want to look at the intention of this news and what more fractures they are trying to engineer.

As far as my recollection goes this morning I found this news item first on Toi(let), can somebody confirm this?
 

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Link please .... and I am in germany currently so I am aware of the german "wirtschaftswunder"
(also semi fluent in german :D )
my tl;dr is that the govt should not pray in temple gold and set its house in order. That gold is effectively "off the market". As far as temple's operation and activities are concerned, we can always request a part of the gold as cash. :D
Or services. Dharmarth that is. Why is that bad?

And what the hell is "wirtschaftswunder"?
 

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My friend, Indians are lazy and idiots .... who is to say that 50 yrs down the line another socialist retard comes and blows the money away for electorial gains.
Let's hope Kejri types dies their natural death(Political career at least) and we don't see such Psycho Socialists giving stuff for free.
 

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Rich Indian temples may have to open their gold vaults for PM Narendra Modi

Mumbai/New Delhi: The two-century-old Shree Siddhivinayak temple in Mumbai devoted to the Hindu elephant-headed god Ganesha bristles with close circuit cameras and is guarded by 65 security officers.
It is one of India's richest temples, having amassed 158 kg of gold offerings, worth some $67 million, and its heavily guarded vaults are strictly off limits.
India is the world's biggest consumer of gold and its ancient temples have collected billions of dollars in jewellery, bars and coins over the centuries - all hidden securely in vaults, some ancient and some modern.

A few years ago a treasure of gold worth an estimated $20 billion was discovered in secret subterranean vaults in the Sree Padmanabha Swamy temple in Kerala state.
Now, Prime Minister Narendra Modi wants to get his hands on this temple gold, estimated at about 3,000 tonnes, more than two thirds of the gold held in the US bullion depository at Fort Knox, Kentucky, to help tackle India's chronic trade imbalance. Modi's government is planning to launch a scheme in May that would encourage temples to deposit their gold with banks in return for interest payments.
The government would melt the gold and loan it to jewellers to meet an insatiable appetite for gold and reduce economically-crippling gold imports, which accounted for 28 percent of India's trade deficit in the year ending March 2013.
India's annual gold imports of 800 to 1,000 tonnes could be cut by a quarter if temples decided to participate in the scheme, say government and industry sources.
"We would be happy to deposit our gold to nationalized banks if the policy is beneficial, safe and earns good interest," said Narendra Murari Rane, chairman of the trust for the Siddhivinayak temple, portions of which are gold-plated.
But some Hindu devotees are not happy with the idea that their offerings could be melted down.
A Mumbai-based gold merchant, who said he and his father had donated around 200 kg of gold to Siddhivinayak and other temples over the years, said it would be a sin for the temples to earn interest on the gold offered to the gods.
"I make donations to God; not to any temple trust," the 52-year-old merchant said.
Modi would also like to convince Indians to open their family vaults, which hold an estimated 17,000 tonnes of gold in jewellery and other heirlooms.
But it will be much harder to convince Indian families, who sometimes have little faith in financial institutions, to break tradition and hand over gold passed down the generations.
India's love affair with gold spans centuries is rooted in the Hindu religion. One of the biggest annual buying seasons is the Diwali festival around October to November. Gold marriage dowries are widespread and with 70 percent of the population rural, gold is financial security.

Interest Rate Key
Key to Modi's plan will be the interest rates offered for gold deposits.

A similar gold monetization plan launched in 1999 proved ineffective, in part because the interest rates offered on gold deposits were regarded by temple officials as too low.
Under that scheme India's top lender the State Bank of India offers 0.75 percent to 1 percent and only 15 tonnes of gold has been deposited so far.
Temple officials at Siddhivinayak and Shri Saibaba Sansthan in Shirdi, both in the western state of Maharashtra, say they expect interest rates in the new scheme to be much higher and so would consider participating.
The government plans to reveal rate details when it launches the new scheme. Siddhivinayak's Rane said he expected at least 5 percent interest on gold deposits.
Rajendra Jadhav, executive officer of the Shri Saibaba Sansthan temple trust, said rates will also be key to his temple's decision. He declined to say how much gold the temple, dedicated to a 19th century saint, had in its vaults.
A successful gold monetization programme could go a long way in helping India reduce its trade imbalance.
India raised the import duty on gold, the country's biggest non-essential import, and imposed other restrictions in 2013 after the current account deficit hit a record $190 billion.
If India can cut imports, that would pressure gold prices that fell to a four-month low last month before recovering. Lower gold prices will help India cut its import bill.However, a successful scheme could also expose the government to potential risks, if gold prices were to take off and depositors decided to withdraw at the same time.
"There is going to be a lock-in period under the new gold monetizing scheme," said Sudheesh Nambiath, an analyst at precious metals consultancy GFMS. "Banks will have to replenish the stocks with imports later (if temples withdraw gold)."
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I oppose this move 100% ...... All that money will just be used to fund hajj for mullah or christians for conversions and eaten up in corruptions.
Indian temples must be freed from these a$$holes.
Mark my words- this has the potential to kill hinduism.


@Tshering22 @Rashna @Mad Indian @maomao and others


It seems just like a speculative report. Neither the Prime Minister nor his office spokesperson or party representative has said anything.

There is nothing on PIB as well.

Nothing on Doordarshan.


Brother, I thought you have learnt about the aukaat of this #presstitute media after what they said about the great General VK Singh. :)


Think about it:

The PM has a cult following among Hindu nationalists and collective nationalists already. They see him as a protector of the faith, culture and fabric of our country.

Do you really think he'd do that?

He's taken NO steps till now that have hurt anyone and instead only bring overall benefit to our people.

He won't.
 
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And why do you think I have not read that thread and the grandiose rationale behind "wirtschaftswunder". Which BTW means Economic Miracle.

I just did not care enough for Germany to comment in there. But I do care for Indian Gold.

Reality was Germans can never be better than US. Even if they actually can. They will have to live under the shadows of US. And because they have reconciled to their fates they cannot now generate any idea that can be profitable enough to justify higher returns to anybody. Hota hai. Kahin kam (India) kahin Jyada (Germany). Kabhi nao, nadi par, kabhi nadi nao par.
 
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And why do you think I have not read that thread and the grandiose rationale behind "wirtschaftswunder". Which BTW means Economic Miracle.

I just did not care enough for Germany to comment in there. But I do care for Indian Gold.

Reality was Germans can never be better than US. Even if they actually can. They will have to live under the shadows of US. And because they have reconciled to their fates they cannot now generate any idea that can be profitable enough to justify higher returns to anybody. Hota hai. Kahin kam (India) kahin Jyada (Germany). Kabhi nao, nadi par, kabhi nadi nao par.
The thread is about negative interest rate. Rowdy asked for it and I put you there in case you had not gone through it.
 

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It seems just like a speculative report. Neither the Prime Minister nor his office spokesperson or party representative has said anything.

There is nothing on PIB as well.

Nothing on Doordarshan.


Brother, I thought you have learnt about the aukaat of this #presstitute media after what they said about the great General VK Singh. :)


Think about it:

The PM has a cult following among Hindu nationalists and collective nationalists already. They see him as a protector of the faith, culture and fabric of our country.

Do you really think he'd do that?

He's taken NO steps till now that have hurt anyone and instead only bring overall benefit to our people.

He won't.
It's not him I am worried about. This report is probably because of the gold scheme announce in the budget which is completely voluntary.

I am just worried that someone a few terms down the line , will put this idea in execution (people like @Sakal Gharelu Ustad .... love that name :lol: ). The idea is being planted right now. Also the temples have very limited autonomy.
 
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It seems just like a speculative report. Neither the Prime Minister nor his office spokesperson or party representative has said anything.

There is nothing on PIB as well.

Nothing on Doordarshan.
I think I have heard this proposal earlier as part of budget speech.

See, just the way our armed forces sacrifice for the common good in perpetuity and not for any particular person or constituency and in the process create courage out of nothingness.

In much the same manner our wise people sacrifice their times for the betterment of the country in perpetuity and in the process generate more gyan for the later generations to understand.

Just the same way our wealth should be deployed by those who understand the mechanics of wealth for the common good in perpetuity, by actually creating some more wealth.

Not for one entitled idiot or a community of these entitled idiots, howsoever big or indispensable they may think they have become. Whether we are successful in resisting such idiocy is immaterial. We must resist because it is fit to be resisted.
 

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The thread is about negative interest rate. Rowdy asked for it and I put you there in case you had not gone through it.
Since you keep insisting. I repeat. I have read that thread and the grandiose rationale. I don't agree. I additionally did not care enough for Germany to make any useful contribution there. Bhaad mein jaye Germany.
 

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Or services. Dharmarth that is. Why is that bad?

And what the hell is "wirtschaftswunder"?
I just meant that if the temples need money for day to day work and someone is donating 100 kg gold. we ask him to donate 90 kg gold instead and give the 10 kg as cash in bank account.

Wirtschaftswunder literally means economic miracle and refers to the german "mittlestand"(mid level companies) and their export prowess. Basically what happened is that hitler devised advanced technology esp. in Rocketry and Diesel engines for his war machine(for the famous blitzkrieg tactics ) and distributed that technology to various german industries for quick production. This gave them a leg up and hence you see today german cars being the symbol of quality. Due to these exports germany is very rich today. (this is a very short explanation)
 

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Guys, it is not forcible take away from temples yet. They will issue gold bonds with some interest rate for the whole country. Now if the temple wants to invest in the bond, they can. They are trying to convert into just another financial instrument.

Whether the temples would prefer to sit on their war chest of gold or invest is a different issue all together. But a little diversification on part of temples would not be bad.

So you are saying it wont be forcibly confiscated under the guise of development?

IT may not be in present gov but one cannot say about future govs....

either it should religional netural or temple should unite resist with all help from law
 

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IT may not be in present gov but one cannot say about future govs....

either it should religional netural or temple should unite resist with all help from law
Don't worry ....... any govt that touches temple gold will have to deal with an indescribable catastrophe to put it mildly.
 

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