Reviving a dying Congress

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  1. Zebra

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    http://tribune.com.pk/story/1107668/reviving-dying-congress/

    Reviving a dying Congress


    No voting bloc, no caste and no group sees the Congress as attractive
    By Aakar Patel
    Published: May 21, 2016

    What should the Congress strategy be in Uttar Pradesh (UP)? It is India’s largest state and it is going to elections in a couple of years. Rahul Gandhi has hired one of India’s sharpest political minds to figure his UP plan out. Prashant Kishore, who was hired by Narendra Modi in 2014 and by Nitish Kumar in 2015, is now being paid to revive the Congress.

    Reports say Kishore has suggested two strategies. The first is to go after Brahmin voters, and second is to project a Gandhi, either Rahul or Priyanka, as the chief ministerial candidate. The second suggestion is unlikely to be accepted. The Gandhis are far too arrogant to accept a provincial role. In fact, in the last Lok Sabha election, the Congress had refused to compare Rahul with Modi. Congress chamchas had referred to Modi as a “regional leader” while their Rahul was a “national” leader. To this, Modi’s reply was, why only national, Rahul was an international leader, given his Italian connection.

    Kishore’s first suggestion, about Brahmins, is more interesting. There is no particular caste aligned with the Congress in UP right now, like Yadavs are with Mulayam Singh and Dalits with Mayawati and upper castes with the BJP. Getting a caste to align with your party is important because it is the starting point. Other communities, for example Muslims, will join your political formation if they are convinced that your party has a chance. Kishore’s logic is that the Brahmin vote in UP (it is about 10 per cent of the population) is easy for the Congress to get because it had been with the party in the past. This is true, and many Congress chief ministers of UP in the past were Brahmins, like ND Tiwari, Kamalapati Tripathi, Govind Ballabh Pant and Sripati Mishra. However, the Congress last won an election in UP three decades ago.

    More than 65 per cent of India’s population is below 35. My guess is less than five per cent of the voters of UP today voted in that 1985 election. This means there are few people in UP who have a memory of voting for the Gandhis. That is the first problem. There is a second, even more serious, problem. It is not that easy for a party to attract a caste for selfish electoral reasons. It should have something to offer. What can the Congress offer? It can give tickets to Brahmin candidates, but what else? Is its politics attractive to Brahmins? I would say no. In purely policy terms, the last Congress government was focussed on the poor, which means the lower castes. This was reflected in laws like NREGA, Right to Education, Right to Food and so on. Such welfare schemes are not attractive to middle class voters. I doubt very much such a platform would excite Brahmins.

    The data to support Kishore’s logic came from a study which said the BJP’s Brahmin vote share has been progressively shrinking in assembly elections. It was 50 per cent in 2002, 44 per cent in 2007 and in 2012 it was 38 per cent. Why do Brahmins support the BJP? Because Hindutva is socially conservative, and many Brahmins will like its focus on religious issues like banning cow slaughter and building temples. The BJP and the RSS have often shown their discomfort with reservations and recently taken a hard stand against Dalit students. This is also something many Brahmins will like and it is something the Congress will never be able to do.

    In UP, the remainder of the Brahmin vote is split between the other two large parties, with Mulayam Singh’s Samajwadi Party and Mayawati’s Bahujan Samaj Party getting about 20 per cent each. This splitting will continue to happen because Brahmins, like all other castes, are not unified in the way that they vote. And many of them will side with powerful parties because they want to be with the winners.

    The Congress should be looking at its policy platform first, to see what voters it can attract, and focus there. It cannot, as Kishore is suggesting, find the voters and then try to develop a policy platform around those voters. The Gandhis are in a different position today than when they were after the Emergency when they were also in opposition. Today, the party is on the verge of dying. No voting bloc, no caste and no group sees the party as attractive. There is no chance that the Brahmin strategy will succeed.

    Published in The Express Tribune, May 22nd, 2016.
     
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  3. Zebra

    Zebra Senior Member Senior Member

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    The funny part here is, they also accept it that the congress party is dying.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Putting Rahul Gandhi at the top was a bad move.

    He could have stayed in the party and worked his way up. He is young. He has a long way to go. There are many senior members who could have taken the helm. Putting an inexperienced Rahul Gandhi at the top or near top sends out a bad vibe of nepotism.

    The other move is to expel the corrupt politicians, which is not going to happen, given past trends.

    Congress will simple have to wait for its turn. Its turn will come. BJP will certainly get mired in corruption if it stays in power long enough. That is when it can come back.
     
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    anoop_mig25 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Why some one want to revive congress in first place.

    bhramins of up are behind Behen mayawati for ages & in forthcoming election they are going to back her again.

    What mr kishore is suggesting would merely bring congress enough seats to become a junior partner in allaince.if at all his trick works

    last 2 assembly election of UP has given clear cut result with absolute power to BSP and SP respectively.

    I donot think this time it would be anything different.

    Apart from bhramin face , i doubt congress announce a bhramin as CM candidate.that would to risky in UP where OBC and SC/ST are large in numbers.Congress at most can offer is reservation for upper caste people with not strong economic background

    Between this idea of announcing gandhi as CM candidate for UP was first suggested by rajdeep sardesai in last UP assembly elections but then he was mocked by congress.

    @pmaitra whats your definition of young

    a)state of mind b)begin um-marrired c)gegin less then 50 years of age

    between stalin of DMK is of 63 yeras but still he is there young leader
     
  6. Zebra

    Zebra Senior Member Senior Member

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    Sirji, pagal kutta kata hai , joh congress koh revive karen.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Do you really think he would improve? :creepy:

    We need LEADERS and not some RETARD Dynastic babies. A special baby who REFUSES to grow. :crazy:

    btw MODI is lucky as long as Pappu is there, Pappu is flag bearer of MODI's campaign of Congress-Mukt-Bharat.

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  8. Mikesingh

    Mikesingh Senior Member Senior Member

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    I suggest just one....... Kick the Gandhis out! :tongue2:

    But then, the Cong chamchas are still hopeful........

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    VIP Ultra Nationalist Senior Member

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    Gandhis are the reason why Congress can stand still with unlimited money supply. If Gandhis won't be there, nobody from the outside of India would give money to Congress. Our previous governments have done lots of corruption and compromised national security at many places and Gandhis have benefitted from it plus remain in the power for so long. Without Gandhis, who would be the head? Who'll be calling the shots??

    I tell you, congress would even increase the powers of Gandhis after this defeat.
     
  10. Mikesingh

    Mikesingh Senior Member Senior Member

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    Agreed! Though this duo is highly incompetent and corrupt, the Congis know that they are the glue that keeps the flock together. Without them, Congress will disintegrate as there are no 'leaders' left to rebuild the party. Kapil Sibal? Ramesh Sharma? Kharge? Azad? Patel? Tom Vaddakan?(Lol). These guys are clowns. Who's gonna follow these yahoos?
     
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    OneGrimPilgrim Senior Member Senior Member

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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    word is that these sibbals & singhvis are now back to raking in their 3-5L/day of fees fighting cases in court for c-system scum, now that they don't have any party-work to do.

    the khaansaamaas & safaaiwaalas would become jobless if the maalik become irrelevant. hence all efforts at begging & devising insidious plans to disturb the proceedings of the Govt. now targeting janata of SM is one such that's going on. rana ayyub OTOH is said to be releasing some 'explosive' findings/reports of her the 2002 Gujarat violence. all this to divert the attention from the paymasters as well as dilute the upcoming monsoon session (GST).
     
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    Loyalty test: Congress MLAs asked to sign affidavit in support of Sonia, Rahu.

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    WTF is going on within the Congress? Their confidence is so low that they've now asked their MLAs in Bengal to sign an affidavit owing allegiance to the Gandhi family!! :shock: Jeeez!! Read on.......


    Struggling to keep its flock together in many states, the Congress has now asked all the newly elected lawmakers in West Bengal to sign a bond of allegiance that will stop them from deflecting to other parties especially the Trinamool Congress

    LOYALTY PLEDGE

    According to Congress insiders, all the recently elected 44 party MLAs were made to sign a bond at a closed-door meet presided by Bengal state party committee chief Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury.

    The MLAs were made to sign the written pact that they would remain loyal to Sonia and Rahul Gandhi and would never make any negative comment or indulge in anti-party activities.

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  13. Bharat Ek Khoj

    Bharat Ek Khoj Senior Member Senior Member

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    Too young that he doesnt know simple geography, says Gujarat is bigger than UK & India is bigger than UK USA combined :biggrin2:
     
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    BRAND Gandhi should be run by a person with last name as Gandhi,else congress will lose its persuasive pitch.
    If CONGRESS is crying out loud about democracy...then why they heck are they promoting the repetitive failure called R.Gandhi like a monarchy.
    Then again for congress "Democracy" is protecting the "Gandhi Monarchy."



    Such internal democracy doesn't exist in congress. It was a real struggle for the Monarchy to swing back control from fmr. PM. Narasimha Rao. They know the kind of horse trading them has to undertake to put queen bee back in control then.
    I agree with the statement.."He has a long way to go"...yeah away ..... loooong way away from Indian shores.

    congress has senior members and their job is one and only one thing protect the siblings..Baby sit young Gandhis.etc etc.



    Corrupt politicians are the ones who bring in the most PARTY FUND!! Soo...are you telling that they should go broke ?:biggrin2:
    Most and all parties are corrupt to a certain levels...in congress its the most.

    Power corrupts but keeping the corruption to manageable levels that wont hinder progress will keep the party:basanti: going on and on and on :daru:.

    Congress wont come back.. Just wait for the biggest internal bitching in congress in under 2 years.
    Even with mighty funds and Manipulative power they have lost the demography.

    This they tried to do in a state which recently concluded election which gave the left a win and made BJP tag the second place in a number of places and congress was pushed to level 3.

    In this state It was not Brahmin but the "Hindu Votes" and to bring in a royal family to control the new found FRONT.
    But as usual....
    The bitching..back stabbing..screwed this big time.:rofl::rofl::rofl:.


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    Saffronization of Congress...Intolerance...Blasphemy!!! :rofl::rofl:
    Will their minions from the worlds second largest religion like this kind of idea?
     
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    reviving a dead Congress is very easy but it needs sacrifice...... so sacrifice rahul gandhi n rule india with full majority for 10yrs in center n states too.....so rahul gandhi dies full sympathetic votes to Congress...... so to revive Congress.....Congressi should find ways to eliminate rahul gandhi
     
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    I need to see the complete speech. Rahul Gandhi has made a lot of ignorant statements. However, from the point of view of constituency, what matters is the population, not land area.
    Wealthy businessmen, banks, and industrialists do contribute to political parties. This is nothing new. It happens in India. It happens in the US (refer to debates by Donald Trump). It happens in many places. This practice can never be eliminated, regardless of which party is in power.
    Agreed. Needs sacrifice, and most importantly, and end to nepotism.
     
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    Here's the IQ of youngest politician of india.
    Can't find the full speech, but here starting form 00:57 he says Gujarat is bigger than United Kingdom, and India is bigger than Europe and USA put together.


    More proof ? Watch his woman empowerment interview with Arnab. :biggrin2:

    Ignorant statements ? Wow !!
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I have seen this. I have also seen his speech in the Parliament that resulted in laughter. As I said before, he does not deserve to be in the position he is in. He has not earned it. He has been served that position on a platter, just because his father was killed in a terrorist attack and because of his last name.
     
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    Bharat Ek Khoj Senior Member Senior Member

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    Its removed now, on what i replied.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Reviving Congress means reviving corruption, vote-bank politics etc. it would be a suicide mission for India.

    Yes RG has to go a very long way, he has to migrate to Italy. :wink:
     
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    And congress people looked at him with a great respect as if they have made some great discovery such as general theory of relativity.
     

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