Revived: plan to give access to bases to US

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Indian Ocean is hotting up.

    Note where the US is interested.

    Also check the attempts to strengthen the defence infrastructure.
     
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    Interesting.

    Now this is going to be interesting. :devious:
     
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    May be we gonna see some real ToTs viz a viz "Make in India" program!!

    :D This is awesome! Pranab Mukherjee was against Antonio Maino (read Sonia G) at political levels in the inner workings of congress, they had huge disagreements between themselves!
    Nice move Modi. The president of India already knows what we are dealing with.

    This indeed is getting hot! - Atleast US and Russia both needs skill base and low manufacturing cost for their arms Manufcaturing requirement.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I wonder if granting mutual access to each other’s military bases, refuel and replenish warships and fighter planes and, in a contingency, participate jointly in multi-nation military operations will tantamount to a military alliance.

    If we also have such an arrangement with Russia, that would upset the USA. A rather tricky knot to unravel.

    Yet, on the other hand, Russia may not object because it is fully aware that a strong China on it borders, is not conducive to her own security since ethnicity in Russia's Far East is really not Russia. It is composed of Yakuts (who are Turkic), Aleuts (who are indigenous people of the Aleutian Islands of Alaska, United States and Kamchatka Krai, Russia), Yuits, (who are a Yupik Eskimo people who reside along the coast of the Chukchi Peninsula), Chukchi (indigenous people inhabiting the Chukchi Peninsula and the shores of the Chukchi Sea and the Bering Sea region of the Arctic Ocean), Koryaks (indigenous people of Kamchatka Krai in the Russian Far East, who inhabit the coastlands of the Bering Sea to the south of the Anadyr basin ), Alyutor (indigenous inhabitants of the northern part of the Kamchatka Peninsula), Kereks (an ethnic group, almost completely assimilated into the Chukchi people), Itelmen or Kamchadal (an ethnic group who are the original inhabitants living on the Kamchatka Peninsula and who had many intermarriage with the Cossacks during the Cossack conquest in the 18th century), Evenks ( Tungusic people of Northern Asia and are also in China), Nanai people ( Tungusic people of the Far East, who have traditionally lived along Heilongjiang (Amur), Songhuajiang (Sunggari) and Ussuri rivers on the Middle Amur Basin. They are also in China, known as "Hezhe"), Orochs (also called Nani), Ulch (indigenous people of the Far East of Tungusic origin), Udege (people who live in the Primorsky Krai and Khabarovsk Krai regions), Oroks (people in the Sakhalin Oblast), Yukaghir (people in East Siberia, living in the basin of the Kolyma River), Nivkh (indigenous ethnic group inhabiting the northern half of Sakhalin Island and the region of the Amur River estuary in Russia's Khabarovsk Krai), Ainu ( indigenous people of Japan (Hokkaido, and formerly northeastern Honshu) and Russia (Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands)).

    It may be noted that many of these ethnic groups are nomadic their beliefs are animism, animal worship, and shamanism.

    These people may have been assimilated by the geographical entity of USSR, now Russia, but are generally free wheeling and not to wedded to the Nationhood per se. Therefore, Russia has reason to feel uncomfortable about its Far East.

    Further, since some of the larger groups are close to the Mongol and Mongoloid stock, which has a population in China, China can influence them. In fact, many go across to China border towns to do their purchases.

    Therefore, while Russia would like to assist China since it is in huge trouble with the West, yet, it would not like it to be so strong as to pose a threat in Russia's Far East.
     
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    Signing LSA seems like a very bad idea. India will end up being played for a fool by the US and at the same time piss off Russia. There are plenty of nations who can play host to US of A like Oman or Sri Lanka, India should not be one of them.
     
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    The Indian Navy needs to expand its range beyond IOR, and to do this we need peace and wartime network of nations. Only USA can provide such assistance because they have bases in every ocean.
     
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    a Good one Not only Hosting the US Warships . But Hosting UAV's and Fighter Jets . and we will allow these Assets can carry out Attack over Bakistan

    a win win game
     
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    You have a point.

    However, the Indian Peninsula commands the sea routes in the Indian Ocean.

    And in foreign policy there is no permanent friends or enemy.

    We should use the time allowed to us with the US to dominate the Indian Ocean and "Peacefully Rise". ;) :)

    US already has Diego Gracia. This will be only a add on without much use by the US navy.
     
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    there is lot of merit in this case. Benefits are also apparent.

    We need to have an open debate on this, my personal opinion would be to go for it. We shall benefit from the transfer of technology and also gain economically by hosting the US Naval ships in our ports.
     
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    pardon me - i had to prevent eyestrain
    so i couldnt read the entire of the lead article :-

    will we get access to Diego Garcia ?

    a definite no finding a place is usa 's lap
    similarly no to giving them access to andaman or nicobar, repair facilities and re-fuelling

    limited access on western part of mainland might be ok

    bottom line :- if we dont get access to Diego Garcia
    then shove the whole idea down the tubes :toilet:
     
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    Sir, I am all for shedding the cold war mentality and to embrace the new world order with China as the new USSR but I don't agree that we should find a place in Uncle Sam's lap. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Ukraine and many others have been leveraged by US to confront Russia and now it's China's turn. Things didn't end well for any of them.

    With probably the most sensible government India has ever seen, I am hoping that border issues with China can be resolved to some extent if not entirely which won't be happening with US Navy parked in Vizag or Andaman or Mumbai.
     
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    Also if any such agreements are to be made then I would rather like to deal with Japan or Australia or South Korea as they are strong enough nations but not as "Kaminey" (for the lack of a better word)
     
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    Allowing logistical support is not joining a military alliance or jumping into anyone's lap.

    It is not that the US Navy will 'park' itself as in Oman with a Fleet headquartered and anchor.

    It will be merely a port of call for logistic backup for its patrols in the Indian Ocean.

    Well that is what I feel is what it means.

    I wonder if China wants to solve its border dispute. It solves it only with a stronger neighbour as was with USSR. Everywhere else it tramples others. We can maintain dialogue, but then we have to conjure the correct environment to indicate that it is not a cakewalk.
     
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    When we weigh the options, it is quiet apparent that USA has larger roles to play in these parts. Every signal coming out of USA tells the same story.
    When we take a look at immiediate neighbors..
    1) Srilanka : They will surely blend in with USA for aid, armaments and technology
    2)Bangladesh: US is already working with them on many fronts including defence.
    3)Pakistan : Well,we know the US - Pak alliance.

    When we look further east most countries have strategic alliance with US.
    In such an event , India staying isolated is not going to gain India anything. Going with the current happening, India can have a Give and Take policy but still keep her individuality alive.
     
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    IMO, it always start like that. Some "help" here and some "minor" demands there, in return. Indian Navy is decades away from acquiring a global footprint and the required logistics. IN's goal for current and near future will be IOR and we do not need USN's logistics assistance for that.

    My second point is that we will /can never be UK, Israel or Japan to Americans. The best we will ever be is Turkey or Jordan, i.e. can be discarded any moment now.

    They might. Sino-Indian border disputes are relatively less complex than the island disputes in East and South East Asia. Solving them would essentially mean a military that is about to become more powerful than Japan will stop breathing down their neck.
     
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    You make a good point but my reasoning is that let's kick China out from South Asia rather than inviting US in. Let Bangladesh and Sri Lanka host and provide logistics to USN. Let USN enjoy the same berthing privileges as PLAN in the aforementioned countries. Now that would be mad fun.:scared2:
     
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    leaving the benefits of this agreement but this will surely hurt India's status as a Non-aligned nation. The world will see us as an US ally not partner.
     
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    But we don't access to Diego Garcia. We can reach an agreement with Madagascar or Maldives if we do need some kind of berthing rights. It would be a much easier solution.

    We already have a Naval listening station in Madagascar.

    India activates first listening post on foreign soil: radars in Madagascar - Indian Express
     
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    Interesting development; how's China going to react?
    With a mega naval base in Gwadar?
     
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    Who cares about "what the world think".
     

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