Reservation violates rights of the deserving: Varun

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    Bharatiya Janata Party MP Varun Gandhi today said reservation in jobs for SC/STs should be done away with as it is against the interests of general public and in violation of the rights of the deserving.

    “I was the only MP to raise voice against reservations,” claimed Gandhi during a function at Hindu College in Moradabad, adding that there should be no compromise on the level of efficiency particularly in crucial jobs like in the health sector.

    Commenting on the functioning of current crop of MPs, Gandhi said most of them neglected their constituencies whereas in advanced countries, representatives of the people made every effort to be in constant touch with the electorate.

    The Pilibhit MP said giving maximum time to his constituency was one of his top priorities in order to address the grievances of the people.

    On the recent violation of ceasefire along the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir in which an Indian soldier was beheaded and another shot dead by Pakistan troops, Gandhi said the issue would have found greater prominence in any other country.

    Talking about the youth, Gandhi said that they should come forward to contribute to society since they were not only the future but also the present of the country.

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    Bharatiya Janata Party MP Varun Gandhi today said reservation in jobs for SC/STs should be done away with as it is against the interests of general public and in violation of the rights of the deserving.


    first time talk sense
     
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    Reservation was initially for a period of 10 years only. So furthet extension is immoral and illegal.
     
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    Never thought I would say this to a Gandhi - "Hats off to you!"
     
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    I don't think all the problems of socially backward elements could have vanished in ten years...they do need reservation for a long time....they just should figure out that their enemies are their own people who live royal lives in cities while they can not even dream of education beyond school..

    My SC/ST/OBC friends have parents who have taken benefit of reservation for education and also for jobs and these friends still used reservation for themselves too and their kids will be using it too....these people are no more socially backward and their SC/ST/OBC status must be revoked once they avail benefits of these reservations.
     
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    Precisely, reservation should be based on monthly family income and not caste. Also, reservation in critical areas such as Medical and Civil Engineering should be removed.
     
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    Reservation indeed does reduce meritocracy and also efficiency.

    Reservation that is of any type.

    For instance, a primary teacher who is not good in teaching or knowledge, can become a teacher based on the quota.

    So, one can imagine what type of students, who will be the backbone of the country, will be produced.

    And these students will take up responsible jobs at the peril of the efficiency of the nation.

    It does have a cascading effect.
     
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    Interesting. Prakash Ambedkar, grandson of Babasaheb Ambedkar, had recently advocated scrapping reservation in elections to start with. Ambedkar himself had suggested reservation for a period of 10 years after 1947.

    Perhaps in states like TN and Kerala where SC-ST are at par with GC and score more or less equal marks in entrance exams the reservation system can be changed to `affirmative action` as practised in US which gives preference to a disadvantaged category such as African Americans or females over white males with the rider `all else being equal`. That is if two kids both score 90% then the SC-ST will be given the seat over GC candidate. To begin with this can be applied in TN and Kerala.
     
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    [U]‘Babasaheb Ambedkar a prisoner of caste politics, his relevance will grow’: Bharip Bahujan Mahasangh president Prakash Ambedkar[/U]

    At an Idea Exchange with The Indian Express staff in Mumbai, Bharip Bahujan Mahasangh president Prakash Ambedkar says the younger generation is ready to rise above petty class and caste politics, but what bothers them are issues related to corruption and price rise

    Unfortunately, by design or ignorance, Dr Babasaheb Amebedkar's vision on foreign policy and economics has remained undiscussed by mainstream parties or intellectuals, says his grandson and Bharip Bahujan Mahasangh president Prakash Ambedkar. He says the political overtones have defeated the real objectives of the reservation policy for Dalits and tribals and admits there is a need to approach the issue more honestly.

    While supporting the controversial promotion quota bill that has polarised Parliament and the public, he says it will help in rewarding those with merit. However, he warns that "politics of symbolism minus affirmative action" is not going to fetch electoral rewards for any mainstream parties.

    Shubhangi Khapre: Is it true that your grandfather had advocated reservations for SC/STs for just 10 years?

    Prakash Ambedkar: There are two kinds of reservation — one in political system and the other in the education and service sector. He spoke of political reservation to be in effect for 10 years. We should now definitely do away with political reservation. My grandfather was afraid of the social ostracisation of the Scheduled Castes and tribals and thought no one would vote for them. Hence, a system was needed where there is reservation for such candidates. But he was also of the opinion that the rigidity of the caste system was slowly weaning away and thus it would be ideal to do away with reservation in the political system after a few years. But we do not have any brave political leaders who have the guts to take the decision of doing away with this political reservation. I am of the opinion that political reservation should be done away with.

    Shubhangi Khapre: What about education and job quota?

    It was made a permanent feature of the Constitution with a rider. He said that every 30 years, there should be a parliamentary committee for evaluation to ascertain what we have achieved so far and what remains. Initially, he proposed this in the form of a commissioner and later a commission. But in both the cases, the Supreme Court said they lacked any powers. So even after so many years of reservation, a system of evaluation has not been allowed in the country. No politician has bothered to place this issue on the floor of the House in 60 years. This issue was first addressed in Parliament in 2004 when we were a part of it, with the help of some retired Supreme Court judges. A bill was introduced in Parliament that proposed reservation in promotions also. But this bill was never considered despite being introduced. I personally support reservations in promotions and I have been fighting for the issue in the High Court and Supreme Court.

    Vaidyanathan Iyer: What do you think about reservation for Dalits in the private sector?

    I think rather than reservations, there should be affirmative action. The private sector in India is actually 'family sector'. And any kind of affirmative action towards reservation in this private sector will have to be forced.

    Sharvari Patwa: Do students who qualify for IITs and IIMs using reservation quota display a sense of responsibility towards their community? Are the results percolating to their community at large?

    The first generation that avails of reservation support their whole family financially. Same is the case with those who get into IITs and IIMs. But this benefit is limited to just their family and seldom goes out to their community in general. Any nation will require a social discrimination policy. For them to come out of that feeling, the state has to give them positive action If you take Dalit population as 15 percent it's barely 0.7 per cent who are the beneficiaries of such policies. Yet, these affirmative actions act as a form of social security for them.

    Shubhangi Khapre: Do you think Ambedkar has become a prisoner of caste politics?

    Yes, this has happened over a period of time. Shortly after his defeat, some blamed socialists. In a statement, Ambedkar himself said why blame socialists, even communists didn't vote for me. Well, they were differences over Kashmir policies and so on. In the current context, it is unfortunate that his work on foreign policy from 1950-'56 has remained unexplored. He is never talked about for his vision in economics or education. However, his role is confined to Dalit reservation. But Ambedkar's relevance will grow in the coming days as generation next will see judge him in a new light.

    Dipti Sonawala: The Congress is talking about giving the Indu Mills memorial as a gift to the Dalit community?

    Let me assure you that this is not going to bring about any change in the voting pattern. The Congress can't rely on symbolism alone. People are expecting more. Whether it is Dalits or non-Dalits, none of the mainstream are addressing the real issues. Today, people are concerned about corruption and inflation.

    Shubhangi Khapre: Do you think that is one reason why the likes of Arvind Kejriwal are gaining support?

    Yes. If someone is doing something odd or different from the others, the younger generation gets attracted to it. Things such as the price hike have pinched them. These people need to be a given a new identity and an economic thought. The youth of today is taking the issue of corruption seriously and this has led to instances of corruption at micro levels coming down, if not at the macro levels.

    Shubhangi Khapre: Is there a space for non-Congress and non-BJP politics?

    A national third front may not emerge before the elections since there are a lot of conflicting issues about who should join whom. It is very difficult to choose your allies at the national level. In the present situation, it does not look like the Congress can continue beyond May.

    Economically and socially, the Congress has started feeling the heat. So they will also like to get out of the government and let someone else come to power so that they can blame them later on and come back to power.

    Shubhangi Khapre: So you are trying to draw parallels to the 1996 situation?

    The same pattern prevailed in 1977, 1980, 1990, 1992 and 1996, which is going to get repeated. When the non-Congress government in power fails to resolve the conflict, Congress pulls the rug from below their feet and call in for elections and come back to power. This is what the Congress has been doing all these years. Today, the situation is much worse than what it was in the '80s and '90s. The states are also in crises and the national budget is also in crises. So there is none left to back up. The only options left are the international organisations that are going to bail you out, these organisations will put their own conditions as they put in 1990s. In the 1990s, they asked us to open up our economy. Now, they will ask us to open up our markets.

    P Vaidyanathan Iyer: What are the stress points according to you, economically speaking?

    In one sense, you have to let your defence budget cope with the aggressive attitude of China. And the second issue is that in 2014, the American army will be leaving Afghanistan. India cannot leave Afghanistan as it is. We have to play a role for which we have to suppress Pakistan. So you are having two enemies at the same time in the present context. Now, in such a scenario one has to increase expenditure on the armed forces and defence. Are you in a position to do this? Because it is sure to eat into your social budget and economic development along with little control over the rising population.

    Shubhangi Khapre: Do you see BJP emerging as a credible alternative to the Congress at the centre?

    The BJP is currently using Narendra Modi as bait. But the real prime ministerial candidate is Nitin Gadkari. And they are targeting not 2014, but the next general elections.

    Zeeshan Shaikh: How do you explain the infighting amongst the Dalit organisations. From BC Kamble to Dadasaheb Gaikwad and Prakash Ambedkar to Ramdas Athawale, nobody could work towards a common goal?

    I am not denying the fight. In fact, Dadasaheb Gaikwad came later on. The fight was between Kamble and N Shivraj. Kamble was pro-capitalist while Gaikwad was pro-leftist and hence they divided the Republican movement, which was the backbone of the Left movement. Due to this, the Left movement lost its sting and got restricted only to some part of Telangana, some parts of Jharkhand and obviously in West Bengal. Kerala's leftist movement is a product of their own developments and there is no role of the RPI in that. The political and ideological alternative that was being put up based on the Marxist Ambedkarite philosophy did not get a chance to come up as the Americans did not want it. Here, there are vested interests that are playing roles and dividing the Ambedkarite movement. Same is the case with Ramdas Athawale. He was not a political force in the '80s. It was only when Sharad Pawar got him on his side and made him a minister that he became important.

    Zeeshan Shaikh: Do you blame Sharad Pawar for the degeneration of the entire Ambedkarite movement?

    The process was started by Yashwantrao Chavan and carried forward by Sharad Pawar.

    Stuti Shukla: How do you see the current context where the RPI(A) has shifted from Congress-NCP to Shiv Sena-BJP?

    This is because of the total lack of ideology. There was an incident that took place in Aurangabad where Ramdas Athawale defied Sharad Pawar just before the last Lok Sabha elections. It was a function where Pawar was invited and before he could start his speech, Athawale just walked away.

    Sukanya Shantha: Ambedkarites were not pleased with your stand on Shankar's cartoon.

    I don't think they understand Shankar. I have seen his books and his original cartoons. He had drawn about four cartoons during that period. One of these was included in the NCERT book. What people couldn't appreciate was that Shankar tried to portray the total change of leadership. Till the Constitution was being framed, it was Jawaharlal Nehru who was leading. After it was framed, it was Ambedkar who was leading. I did not find it derogatory. There was a cartoon drawn by Shankar in the past where Dr Ambedkar was shown in a sadhu's dress. A widow woman with a child and a stick and a bag in her hands with the words 'Hindu Code Bill' written on the bag. That is more offensive than the one that created controversy. Hindu Code Bill was one of the three issues over which Dr Ambedkar resigned as Nehru did not consider it. The other two were the OBC commission and Nehru's foreign policy.
     
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    Reservations can go on in the backward areas where there is no sign of development but social inequality prevails, and that too would be on the basis of income and not on the caste until a good education system is established in such areas. Reservations based on the caste is seriously creating divide in our society.
     
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    Just an observation, don't recall ever having seen a post from Iamanidiot which is more than 1 line. :rolleyes:
     
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    After his hate speech, seems the youngest Gandhi is on the right track.

    At the height of the Anna agitation he had volunteered to introduce the Lokpal as a Private Member's bill in the Parliament.
     
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    Economically and socially, theCongress has started feelingthe heat. So they will also like to get out of the government and let someoneelse come to power so that they can blame them later onand come back to power.
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    This the trend BJP should be careful. When CON leaves, it will whitewash country's deposit. BJP should maintain the same debt level without bothering too much abt debt. Otherwise it will result in less spending in social sector.
     
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    Varun Gandhi is a visionary unlike his dumb cousin Raul Vincci!
     
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    Reservations is a good way to cover the government inability to provide its people a fair playing field. If after 60 years of reservation the situation has not improved, another 600 years will not help.
     
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    how dare him now digvijay will cry
     
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    This statement will please many but such statements in politics is actually a form of committing suicide. Congress has already made some standards of politics and this is one of them unfortunately,as all standards made by congress are against nation's interest.

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