Reservation in India - It's time for Evaluation

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    feathers Tihar Jail Banned

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    People in power snatched rights of Dalits, BCs: Modi - The Hindu


    Says there has been a "conspiracy" to snatch the rights given to the community by B.R. Ambedkar

    In a veiled reference to the Congress, BJP leader Narendra Modi on Sunday said people in power for the last 60 years have followed the divide and rule policy in the country and “conspired” to snatch the rights of Dalit and backward communities.

    Mr. Modi said the Justice Ranganath Mishra Commission was used as an instrument to sow the seeds of poison.

    Addressing a public meeting in Kochi, the BJP Prime Ministerial candidate sought to woo Dalits and backward class communities saying there has been a “conspiracy” to snatch the rights given to the community by B.R. Ambedkar.

    Mr. Modi also promised that after coming to power at the Centre, he would like to do something for his “family”, pointing towards the crowd at a meeting of Dalit forum.

    “For the past 60 years, people have indulged in vote bank politics to divide and rule. This has led to our division and fragmentation. They are experts in zeher ki kheti. The Ranganath Mishra Commission (on Religious and Linguistic Minorities) was set up to sow the seeds of poison,” he said.

    On a visit to Karnataka last week, UPA chairperson and Congress president Sonia Gandhi had launched an attack on the opposition BJP — accusing it of indulging in zeher ki kheti (sowing seeds of poison) to attain power.

    Mr. Modi had hit out later saying it is the Congress, not the BJP, which is sowing seeds of poison.
     
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    BJP plans stir over denial of SC/ST quota in promotions - The Times of India

    SHIMLA: The decision of Congress government in the state not to give reservation to SC/ST employees in promotions as per the Constitution (85{+t}{+h} Amendment) Act of 2001 has snowballed into a political controversy ahead of parliamentary elections. While the state government has decided not to grant promotions to members of SC/ST categories as per the Act, the BJP has claimed that after Narendra Modi forms the government at Centre, these benefits would be restored. The party also plans to gherao the state assembly on the issue.

    Senior BJP leader and former Lahaul-Spiti MLA Dr Ram Lal Markanda told mediapersons here on Sunday that SC/ST population constitutes around 32% of total population of state as per 2011 census and denial of benefits would cost the Congress party dear in the state. "Narendra Modi is set to become the Prime Minister and we would ensure that due benefits to SC/ST employees in the state are provided through the next BJP government at the Centre," he added.

    "Disposing of a case, the Supreme Court had observed that promotions should be granted considering cadre strength and backlog. But in Himachal Pradesh, instead of considering the backlog and cadre strength, government has denied these benefits while filling the posts," he added.

    In a communication dated October 30, 2013, on the issue of implementation of Contstitution (85{+t}{+h} Amendment) Act, 2001 and assignment of seniority to SC/ST government servants on promotion by virtue of reservation, principal secretary (personnel) S K B S Negi had stated that the matter was under the consideration of government for the past some time.

    "As per the directions of apex court, the matter has been considered. Keeping in view the quantifiable data collected by the state, showing the overall representation of scheduled castes and scheduled tribes in the services of the state and constitutional provisions thereof , the state is of the opinion that enabling provisions of the Constitution (85{+t}{+h} Amendment) Act, 2001 are not required to be implemented in the state," it said.

    The communication further said that in view of the above, reservation in promotion to members of SC/ST categories as per the Constitution (85{+t}{+h} Amendment) Act, 2001 may not be granted. "These instructions may be followed in letter and spirit and brought to the notice of all concerned for strict compliance," he added.

    Markanda said that the previous BJP government was preparing to give benefits in promotions to SC/ST employees as per the Act and had constituted a committee in this regard. "But before a final decision could be taken, assembly polls were held and Congress came to power. A statewide agitation would be launched on the issue in the coming days," he said.

    He said that population of Himachal Pradesh is 68,64,602, of which SC population is 17,29,252 which is 25.5% of total population, while ST population is 4,18,126 which is 6.05% of total population. "The Congress government is misleading people on the issue. On one hand, it has denied benefits in promotion, while on the other, it has formed a committee to look into the matter," he added.
     
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    While writing constitution, reservation and other rules were made as per the situations of those days... they have also written a time frame for the reservation system as 20 years and that can be changed according to the conditions of that days .

    because of our greedy politicians and vote bank politics these systems are still continued

    I am strongly against towards this caste based reservation ... There are many Corerpathi in SC ,ST and BC who are enjoying the reservations though they wont need it for their financial status and even there are people who don't even have food and bed in OC and opt out of many competitive exams and jobs just because of reservations

    Its time to fight against caste based reservation..
     
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    Well said mate.......:thumb:
     
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    Thanks Brother :)
     
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    government should also consider the 70% general who are not economically sound. reservation is the one of the biggest factor which is killing talent in india.
    IIT-JEE
    Cut off marks
    GENERAL 113
    OBC 75
    ST/SC 45
     
  7. Peter

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    The Brahmans occupy 50% seats in the special courses because they got more marks in the exams. It is true they may not have produced state first guys but the fact is they put in a lot more effort. What are you trying to say actually?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    There is the fallacy = No matter how much they try, lower castes WILL put an end to Brahminism..

    What will put an end to all this, is not to think as Indians of caste.

    I speak with some credibility since in my family we have all sorts - all castes, all religion including Jews, but sadly no Parsis; and yes, all religions (yes, you have guessed it right - Muslims too) and sects and foreigners too! Japanese, Chinese, English, Jews, Americans, Jamaican (Blacks, if you will) and what have you like Maharastrians, Gujaratis, Telegus, Gorkhas, and many more (I can't remember since there are too many)!

    And we don't care or even think on those lines.

    We stand on merits without asking for any favours.

    I feel I am liberated.

    If anyone is to win, then it is Us - the liberated ones.
     
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  9. mahesh

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    yes, there is a need to evaluate reservation in India, "INCREASE SEATS AND GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES" they deserve for living under the foots of stampers for millennium.
    and lastly let they atleast balance themselves compare to upper classes and when our fellow dalits are in the position to cross the upper classes, lets then talk about removal of reservation. its not at all a time now to do that..
     
  10. abhi_the _gr8_maratha

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    is there any maratha in your family?
     
  11. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Yes and also a Bandarkar from Nagpur and a Mahar too!

    Add a Pinto also and another RC.
     
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    it is said that all marathas are relatives...... Indirectly we both are relative......
     
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    :hail:

    Good to know so.
     
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    Well, why not.

    PIL in Bombay High Court seeks 5% reservation for Christians too
    Saturday, 5 July 2014 - 6:31pm IST | Agency: PTI

    Close on the heels of Maharashtra government providing 16% reservation for Marathas and 5% for Muslims in jobs and educational institutions, a PIL in the Bombay High Court has sought similar facility for the Christian community.

    The PIL, filed by city-based Alpha Omega Christian Community in the Aurangabad bench of the Bombay High Court, said it was demanding five% reservation for Christians on the basis of recommendations made by the Justice Ranganath Mishra Commission constituted by National Commission for Religious and Linguistic Minorities.

    According to the PIL, Maharashtra government had, on the basis of the Ranganath Commission report, appointed a seven-member committee headed by Dr Mehmoodur Rehman to study the socio-economic and educational status of the Muslim community in the state.

    Thereafter, on the basis of the Mehmoodur Rehman Committee report, the Maharashtra cabinet approved 5% reservation to Muslims on June 25.

    On the same lines, 5% reservation should also be provided to the Christian community which the PIL said had not been considered on the basis of recommendation of Ranganath Commission report.

    The President of Alpha Omega, Ashish Shinde said "we have been demanding 5% reservation to the Christian community. The government has only given verbal assurance in the past. Now that reservation has been approved for Muslim community, we strongly demand for Christians."
     
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    I am personally not against reservation as long as the same is provided on the basis of income and not on the basis of caste and religion. Poor, irrespective of any caste and community, requires help and nothing wrong in providing reservation to poor.
     
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    Reservation originally was started to give a fillip to the social ostracisation and forced backwardness of Scheduled caste among Hindus and other native faiths and not on economic basis. Then other OBC's and backward castes clamoured and got reservation.

    And now Muslims and Christians are also demanding.

    Time to make it based on economic factors rather on caste ? And perhaps bring down the percentage drastically from around 70% in states like Tamil Nadu and Karnataka to a more manageable number like not exceeding 25%.
     
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    Reservation shouldn't be on economic basis until caste system and corruption is totally eradicated. India is the only nation where one community try its best to suppress other community forget about religion... Think it otherwise reservation helps in strengthening the backbone of Hindus. You can't achieve anything when millions of Indians remains poor. If they get educated reservation itself become irrelevant. Don't be jealous of obc/sc/st they are your own people. Believe me just have a tour in any village you will realize how deeply the caste system ingrained into their mind. With economic reservation the poor people would be of higher caste thanks to our corrupt system. Ground reality in villages is totally different what you can never perceive from a city.
     
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    Okey, you come to my hometown and I will show you SCs with one parent a banker another a govt. servant with over 2-3 crores of properties and two flats with one three-story residence who received money from govt., went to engg. college on quota and got job on quota, when the whole family never contributed back to their caste people. Now, another guy from upper caste family with better merit than that guy from a poor background did not get anything and still struggling. Where is the fairness? Equality?

    In my previous post, I stated that reservation is still needed but with moderation, where if a person received job in SC or ST quota, his/her offspring would not be eligible for the provisions, so that some other SC/ST who are really at need of the support would get it.

    I have obseverved that the SC/ST quotas are manipulated by a few who generation after generation get fatter for it, when the others really needing it cannot get their hands on that because of the few. If you want example, you might like to know about Meena community of rajasthan, where a few among the Meenas have been almost monopolising the ST quotas for everything.
     
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    I was in 12th standard school during Mandal Commission protests. Even at that time I realised that while I protest, I would still never be in Govt. Service (except for 1 half-hearted attempt at NDA) and more importantly for some other reason also.

    Following links are self explanatory about what that something other was:
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    www.hindustantimes.com/highschool/madhya-pradesh-board-declares-class-10-results-check-it-here/article1-1347108.aspx
    (2)
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/highs...schools-raises-eyebrows/article1-1347432.aspx
     
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    Something the most unpadh of India already knows has backing from the white man, now.

    http://www.economist.com/node/21646220/print

    This has bearing on the reservation scenario too.

    Maths and Sciences is what our people should be learning even if other subjects have to wait to be taught later on.

    This will change the quality as such of the children who will later be able to do justice to other subjects also.
     

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