Reports China building 2nd aircraft carrier deleted from websites

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    This aspect is very important.
    While the Chinese authorities have indicated that the second aircraft carrier is on the way, why have they now wiped out all references on the web and otherwise?

    Is it to keep it a secret or is it because they have failed to construct?
     
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    Mostly it must have to do with the projection of "peaceful rise".
     
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    Maybe it has something to do with the EMALS system India is receiving for INS Vishal? :scared2:
     
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    Unlike India, who is so successful in building indigenous AC, China failed again as what Ray always know, that is why they delete news about the failure to avoid losing face.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    today i bought a cover for my new tablet - it was a china made and one of the
    securing holders came off the minute i got home ....

    fortunately i did ask for a receipt, which incidentally i had to ask for,
    as the seller happily took my money and put the cover in a bag and was
    about to bid me farewell

    so i thought no problem they will give me the money ...but no they gave me a
    replacement instead - a red cover for the original black ...and so i thought
    well red is a bit unusual but never mind

    then i went off to have afternoon tea with friends and was about to show off
    the newly bought tablet cover,
    when lo and behold
    after putting the tablet in the cover and closing it,
    the tablet just slid off and would have fallen on
    the floor if i had not been quick enough to catch it in mid air

    ....everybody in the cafe started rolling on the floor ,
    laughing their heads off

    - a real rolfmao - - in actual reality ! :rofl:

    well now came the stories quick and fast, from the whole cafe about ccpland products
    pliers that broke when used, wallets with holes - you name it

    so now i had to quickly finish having tea and with another lady we rushed back to the
    shop and before i could describe what had happened they told me they knew
    and said here's your money back
    that was so ridiculous that we forgot to lose our cool

    so they knew it was a defective design but still offered for sale to customers

    reminds me of 1962 - we are friends and will solve things peacefully !!!!!

    manufacturing genius - manufactures anything !, just to get ahead .:bs:
     
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    anupamsurey Regular Member

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    welcome to the world of Made in China.

    by the way, i have experienced this when i was in 7 std. (some 12 yr ago) since then its a big no to Made in China tag.
    i even give nightmares to the shop owners where I shop. it is difficult to be a no china product buyer because the chineese goods seem to be every where in this world.

    In our Locality there is a syaing about chinese goods- Chale to chand tak nahi to raat tak (means they last for only a night or a fortnight).
     
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    anupamsurey Regular Member

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    I was reading a work of Fiction called the great Zoo of China- by Matthew Reilly, and i came across a phrase in which author says that Chinese can build anything but they need a foreign hand (like designing, or conceptualizing) to make it successful. and it is true, right from the three gorge dam to the latest fighter planes chinese always relied on foreign assistance from german engineers to russian tech and Israel tech.
     
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    s002wjh Senior Member Senior Member

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    i think you are buying some cheap product and expect to be something like apple ipad.

    there are bad quality and good quality product made in china, you just have to PAY for it.
    xiaomi, is doing well, as well as many small consumer electronic. also all the apple and samsung are pretty much made in china, and its supply chain are also in china. china still lag behind compare to japan/US, but they are catching up quickly.
    talk is cheap, but facts are there, china didnt become 2nd largest economy by selling fake, its product has consumer market, whether is cheap made or better quality products.

    if you despise chinese made, then perhaps you can spend $600 on iphone6 or $500 for ipad air, it will has better quality. or even buy some higher quality chinese made tablet $2-300 bucks. if you only spend $50, well you not gonna get a quality product
     
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    when you start from 0 and want to goto 100 fast, the cheap/easiest way is learn from other who already done it, and ONLY after you learn it, you can improve or design it. there are TONS products thats design and made in china, that alot consumer in US are using, this was not the case 10-15 years ago. They are catching up fast, thats the truth. Like i said talk is cheap, fact is there. people complain about china this and that, but LOOKING at facts, 20yrs ago china vs NOW.

    also you get what you pay for, doesn't matter is chinese/US/Japanese product. you can't expect paying $50 for a smart phone and has quality of iphone6
     
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  11. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Chinese are great with their hands and skill, but it is felt worldwide that they are not innovative or creative owing to their censorship, lack of diversity and conformist culture.

    Once China sheds all these negatives, there is a very real possibility that China will be in the same league as the Western nations.

    However, when original research and development comes to China, the cost for the same will have to be passed on to the customers. The price of Chinese goods will then not be cheap.
     
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    the years don't add up to anything (in this case), the Chinese are still into make poor quality products- this is their policy they think that if you produce cheap products customers will buy it. but many customers like me do not bother to pay few extra rupees and buy a quality assured product. the chinese stratagem work for poor and lower middle class people (which are a plenty in this world). i will cross you where you mentioned that chinese design tons of things. my dear sir, what Chinese do is copy technology (close to infringement - remember chinese copying Apple) and even these copied things too do not function properly.

    but what i admire about china is they do it quick and they do it on a grand scale (imagine building a city per year).
     
  13. roma

    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    you mis-read the letter of my post - it was a tablet COVER - not a tablet

    you also mis-read the spirit of the post - it was in a humourous mode
    perhaps that does not exist in ccpland so i dont blame you for that

    anyway regarding aircraft carriers , we are aware of the following :-
    China plans to build three more aircraft carriers: Report - The Times of India

    here's a small excerpt :-
    "If China has four aircraft carriers, with two in the South China Sea and two in northern China,
    they can better accomplish their missions,"
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    inadvertent double - post
    appreciate deletion by admin, please
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    i guess you wanted to sound concilliatory after a hitting hard

    but the question to each of us remains :- is would we live in such a city - on the 15th floor of a 30 floor building
    that was completed in a week ?

    or would each of us live in a house next to a 30 floor building built with ccpland quality control
    and completed in a week ?

    there is a saying that you get what you pay for , there is also a notion
    that something done fast usually skips due process and the what do you get ?

    do we get a 30 floor ( or more ) building with sufficient quality in structure ? :namaste:

    thank you for finally admitting that ccpland is trying to go from 0 to 100
    in the cheapest way

    that philosophy itself is a get-rich-quick scam mentality

    and we are usually advised to avoid scamsters
     
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    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Made in China is a bad word now. Everything breaks down sooner than it should. Pants and coat jippers stop working with in month. My brand new DVD player is on repair two times, luckily I had three years warranty. My friends China made frig had to be replaced two years after purchase. People buy these because these are two too cheap. Luckily they have learnt to buy additional warranty, which is taking a heavy toll on service company. A china made laptop now requires $350 for additional two years service warranty. Salesman told ame at the Future Shop (Canada) that 30% of the laptops come back for repair in the very first year that is the reason for high warranty cost.

    Now the car industry is learning the hard way. If not them, then the parts and sub assembly suppliers use China parts, because they are cheap. Result is that in last twelve months 4 million cars have been recalled for replacement or service. These subassembly suppliers are American or Japanese, but unlucky for the consumers they use China made parts, which breakdown.

    God save us from the supply chain mechanism which is sourcing parts from China.
     
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    i was not trying to be Conciliatory, it comes naturally to me, I admire the quick and grand scale of work done by china (though they may not be always good- china has a record for building an entire city in a year, but see what they are coming up with Ghost towns!) since, i belong to a country where you have to wait for months to get a simple clearances and permission to build a home, i cant help but admire the Chinese. our PWD (that's public works department) is such a lazy organization that they may chew 3 years to construct a road of 30 KM stretch...luckily we have private bidders for such construction works but even they have to wait for all the clearances and other nonsensical delays.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    allow me to pick up on those two points plus you mentioned someting about warranty

    firstly cheap labour of ccpland ( relatively cheap ) is not the problem,
    The problem is the quality -control and that is now going to be associated with the brand-name

    that is to say a Sony product which bears a made in ccpland at it's back - should still
    be of Sony quality and my experience is that it is

    but a "Sonic" which ( help us ) is probably a ccpland company would and should be expected
    to give all those multiple problems youve mentioned

    plus if the store youre buying from doesnt give it's own solid guarantee (warranty)
    or is a less well-known store or supermarket - then that is a double-whammy = forget it !

    they way to go is to have a strong preferably government -backed consumers
    advocacy association with good teeth - and the cost associate with repairs should dissuade
    these ccpland companies from deliberately deceiving customers
     
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    s002wjh Senior Member Senior Member

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    U pay what u get. I have Lenovo pc and hier mini fridge, power supply etc used for years now
    Besides all the stuff Apple Samsung are made in China
     
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    Apple and Smsung use their own material and supervision and closed door policy at their manufacturing sites, hence always get their products right. Labour is same everywhere. What matters is the quality of parts and sourcing of the parts. Much of the parts in Apple have Taiwan origin.

    It is the Chinese stuff, which either is built by them with locally sourced parts or even designed by them. In order to keep the prices low and attractive, lower quality parts and manufacturing processes are used.
     
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