Report on 'Army Movement' trashed, no breach of protocol

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  1. LurkerBaba

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    Thread continued from http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...units-moved-towards-delhi-indian-express.html


    Army movement: No protocol breach; news report trashed

    The Times of India on Mobile
     
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  3. sayareakd

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    in Delhi, IA, has first strike force, unit of para at stone throwing distance from India Gate, not to forget all the soldiers and weapons for R-Day. News and what they are pointing is complete trash. Remember soldiers take oath of Constitution of India and not for service Chief. Paid up media has thrown trash, which is unacceptable and has crossed the limit.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Guess who will have the best fun in the coming few days? Other newspapers. They will have a field day taking shots at Indian Express.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I am closing down and going to see the TV.


    Some new nonsense will surface!
     
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    Indian Civilian-Military Distrust is Nothing New

    The Indian Express has reported that unexpected troop movements around Delhi, on the same January day that the army chief took his political masters to the Supreme Court, “spooked [the government] as never before in peace time.”

    What the report forgets is that civilian-military unease isn’t a new phenomenon and certainly not an issue that only emerged after Gen. V.K. Singh began wrangling with the government over extending his tenure by a year to May 2013.

    Civilian distrust of military intentions in India is as old as the republic, making The Indian Express’s claim that this was the most serious alarm in Indian peacetime history seem fanciful to say the least.

    In the 1950s, rumor of a coup – compounded by Gen. Ayub Khan’s takeover in Pakistan – was one factor that prompted the elevation of Krishna Menon, a loyalist of Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, to the position of defense minister. The Nehru government and its successors viewed military-to-military ties, particularly with the U.S., with great suspicion.

    There are plenty of other examples of alarmism from the government about military intentions, most of them demonstrating not much more than civilian neuroses.

    Stephen Cohen, a South Asia expert at the Brookings Institution, has noted that senior intelligence officials claimed to have detected at least three coup plots by generals in recent years, including one supposedly by General K. Sundarji in 1987.

    “There is no credible evidence of such plots,” Mr. Cohen writes, “but insecure politicians and bureaucrats, many of whom have a stereotyped image of the military, listen to these warnings.”

    And there have been moments of civilian-army tensions much more dramatic than the current episode.

    In 1998, the government dismissed navy chief Adm. Vishnu Bhagwat after he refused to let the cabinet appoint his deputy. Anit Mukherjee, an authority on India’s military, recounts the story:

    “On December 30, 1998 the flag officer commanding-in-chief of India’s southern naval command, Vice Admiral Sushil Kumar, was flown from his headquarters in Kochi to New Delhi in an aircraft operated by the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), India’s intelligence agency. His mission was to replace Admiral Bhagwat who, unusually, was not aware that his flag officer had left his post. At 4.30 pm, Admiral Bhagwat was told by a ministry of defense official that he was being dismissed from his position, effective immediately … Within 15 minutes, the new chief, Admiral Sushil Kumar, was given the oath of office. This was all a part of the plan, conceived and executed by a small circle of Indian politicians, bureaucrats, selected military officers and intelligence agencies. In fact, the other two service chiefs were not informed until the very last moment.”

    That certainly makes January’s drama, as recounted by The Indian Express, seem rather tame.

    As the paper concedes, the Defense Ministry’s “considered view now seems to be that it was a false alarm” rather than anything resembling a coup.

    Yet there are reasons to be concerned about the state of civilian-military ties in India as depicted by The Indian Express.

    At the heart of this story are “sources [who] speak of confusion and unease in the government” about the military – unease that one would have thought redundant in a liberal democracy of sixty-five years.

    For a start, the newspaper says the prime minister “was informed at the crack of dawn” about the troop movements. The Defense Secretary (the ministry’s most senior bureaucrat) was summoned back from Malaysia, and he in turn summoned the Director General Military Operations.

    The government also alerted lookouts on roads leading to Delhi — a protocol developed after the mutiny of some Sikh army units in 1984–and issued a terror alert to slow down traffic.

    That the government moved to stop an army convoy in the environs of Delhi –whether the military was following protocol or not – appears to be evidence enough that Indian leaders remain unable to bring about a healthier institutional civilian-military relationship.

    Despite exhortations from various high-level committees, successive Indian governments have shown themselves unwilling to reform the anachronistic system by which India’s civilian leaders hold their armed forces at arm’s length, separated by a thick bureaucratic buffer, soaked in mutual distrust.

    A defense ministry better integrated with its service arms, one in which bureaucrats and senior officers engaged with one another on a more regular and extensive basis, would surely be less likely to panic – as it seems to have done – and less likely to leak out the details to a waiting press.

    Indian Civilian-Military Distrust is Nothing New - India Real Time - WSJ
     
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    WTF, now they are going to instill fears and justify the fake news.. What is wrong with them.
    Man get them all to stand in a line and....
     
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    I think Army should make their fear into reality. Their properties should be confiscated and Swiss money should be brought in back at the gun point.
     
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    Journalism is sinking to newer lows and not from the usual culprits.

    God, competition can make you do anything.
     
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    Money and Power rules..

    X2 & Fixed..
     
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    We should not hesitate to admit the fact that civilian leadership who is supposed to be whole-n-sole power holder in this nation, could not maintain healthy relations with Army top brass. Its right there from Nehru era. However, it does not mean that this gap of proper sync translates into Army's political ambition or civilian's doubt over Armed forces.

    This astute difference must be carefully understood.

    If the liberal society is curious enough to discuss the national security issues pushing their imagination in every corner of absurdity then it is also an imperative to shed the primitive all-dimensionaly-round nature of their debate & come down to specifics finding clear distinction between fears and root-cause of chaos.
     
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    Things are starting to get ugly, if it continues at this rate, i am sure some one will take stupid action, from the looks of it that day (black day) is not too far.
     
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    mod the thread should be closed now its an old story.

    for the our force we must stop things here , nothing will come positive from the thread.
     
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    you are talking bout Indian force they will never cross there limits democracy will be on top
     
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    well if force take power in hands the condition will not change , i don't think so human in force come from mars .

    we are living in society and yes now our corruption level are increasing in every field.
     
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    Army needs lesson. Army chief should be sacked for leaking letter and Date of Birth drama.
     
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    are you Indian or using false flag.

    he is top chair person now and how dare to say that army need a lesson

    because of army we are safe in home
     
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    Your name, flag and comments appear to be out of sync.... or may be innocent !
     
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