Report: Chinese Third-Graders Falling Behind U.S. High School Students

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  1. badguy2000

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    CHESTNUT HILL, MA—According to an alarming new report published Wednesday by the International Association for the Evaluation of Educational Achievement, third-graders in China are beginning to lag behind U.S. high school students in math and science.
    龙腾网 http://www.ltaaa.comThe study, based on exam scores from thousands of students in 63 participating countries, confirmed that in mathematical and scientific literacy, American students from the ages of 14 to 18 have now actually pulled slightly ahead of their 8-year-old Chinese counterparts.
    “This is certainly a wake-up call for China,” said Dr. Michael Fornasier, an IEA senior fellow and coauthor of the report. “The test results unfortunately indicate that education standards in China have slipped to the extent that pre-teens are struggling to rank among even the average American high school student.”
    “Simply put, how can these third-graders be expected to eventually compete in the global marketplace if they’re only receiving the equivalent of a U.S. high school education?” Fornasier added.
    Fornasier stressed that while the gap is not yet dramatically sizable, it has widened over the past two years after American high schoolers tested marginally higher in algebra, biology, and chemistry than, shockingly, most of China’s 8- and 9-year-olds.
    “For decades, young children in China have scored at the expected level of their peers in American high schools, so this is a very worrying drop in performance,” said Fornasier, adding that the majority of Chinese third-graders are now a full year behind the average U.S. 12th-grader in their knowledge of calculus. “In the chemistry portion of the exam, for example, Chinese children proved to be slightly deficient compared to American teenagers in their understanding of the periodic table, molecular structure, and the essential principles of atomic theory.”
    “And even when they did test at the same level in mathematics, it often took Chinese elementary school students 10 to 15 minutes longer to do simple things like factor a polynomial equation or compute the derivative of a continuous function,” Fornasier added. “That just isn’t normal.”
    In addition to disappointing marks from grade school children in China, 10-year-olds in Germany, South Korea, Japan, Switzerland, and New Guinea also reportedly tested an average of three percentage points lower than U.S. high school seniors in physics, with education officials from each country expressing deep concerns about the increasingly mediocre quality of their primary schools.
    In light of the alarming study, many in China have called for considerable reforms of the country’s education system, including implementing far stricter standards for teachers, investing in better learning materials, and increasing the length of school days.
    “Our third grade classes clearly cannot afford to lag behind American high schools if they are to be successful in the future,” read an official statement from China’s Minister of Education, Yuan Guiren. “Frankly, the scores are unacceptable, and we have to turn this around immediately. If there’s an American 17-year-old who can do something academically that a Chinese 8-year-old can’t, that’s a very big problem.”
    “At that rate, how do we expect our Chinese 13-year-olds to be ready for American colleges?” Yuan continued
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    Comparing 8 year olds with 14 and 18 year olds? Very rhetorical article. Can we get a bit more objective?
     
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    welcome back, Badguy, why they jailed you?
    What's you want your son become once he grow up?
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    I have a daughter, she wanted to become a housewife and after she knew housewife must do many housekeeping , she changed her mind, she want do nothing once she grow up.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-03/12/content_16302338.htm
     
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    a very good comment.... I too have seen 22-26 year old persons in class 7th-8th in Australia as they take so many breaks even in schools that its simply foolish to compare a country like India/China with US/Australia type countries. they just can't have an environment of studies, they can't do this........:wave:

    US/Australia type countries can't have environment of studying hard in schools, its not worth, neither they have the background to do so also. only the kids of Asians bring that background, but they finally lag with those who directly come from India, as there is simply no environment of doing something in life by 'studying hard'. these kids may only build body and have more fun since 13-14, the best time to enjoy life and thats what they do since then, which does help these nations have more medals in sports.... and its the time when Asian kids utilize for struggle on the side of education.... :ranger:
     
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    The kind of education that is promoted and followed in India/China is at best good for becoming good engineers and not scientists. Scientists who do research of fundamentals are mostly from the US or Europe. Education is never forced in the US so all those who survive high school and go on for higher studies are the ones who really want to do higher studies out of passion and not because for survival in the society which is the case in India/China. This does make a huge difference in creating cutting edge tech.
     
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    My university is flooded with Chinese people, who are obviously pretty smart due to the years of hard work put in math/science, but can't form a single coherent sentence in English. Every year 60% of them fail the english exam required to graduate, which is at best a gr.9 level exam here.

    Focusing so much on math and science has also made the Chinese fall decades behind in all arts disciplines, such as psychology, sociology, etc.
     
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    thats the dilution people have while sitting in India..... I studied my Master of Engineering and Master of Engineering Management from University of Technology Sydney, which is ranked quite high in world, but I couldn't see even a single Aussie doing Master of Engineering studies..... i just remember one who joined our class for a chapter which was common with bachelor of engineering.... even in BE classes, such a high ranked university and not even 10 whites you may find there.... but we did have 7-8 Europeans in our 60+ class.....

    also I would share my experience here, we used to have assignment for the type of problems which we used to solves in 'close book' exams in India in our bachelor while so big formulas they use but still they used to give a week time to submit the solved problems, the assignments.....:tsk:

    you would keep in you mind that Western Scientific Awards are given to the bosses for the works their Juniors do. i mean, even if they may arrange 4-5 whites for a project, and if they have just one Indian in that certain group, then he/she is the person who is doing the main works and rest are supporting him/her. they just can't produce a 'competent' professionals, even if they may have engineers. :wave:

    I mean, even the 20th ranked swimmer of Australia would be better than Indian best as they have an environment to do so, a national level efforts with proper infrastructure. the same you find Indian cricket/hockey teams which perform good as India has a national level awareness for these sports. and in the same way, US/Australia can't have 'any' competent professional of the category of migrants they get :wave:. if you have a society to do something, then only you get few 100s the best, among 1000s very good, and 100,000 'good enough'. US's/Australian kids just can't be the reason of any technology US may develop, in the same way like how the best Indian swimmer can't be compared with even the 40th ranked US's one....:wave:


    => no matter how talented you was since your birth, you have to have 10-15 years of "quite hard work" on education, 2 millions kids do that then 200,000 are "good enough", and 20,000 are the creamy layers, and half of them are taken to the Western nations, finally..... the way we have been part of discussions, even with the professionals of reverse engineering team, they just can't understand, how can US have technology without migrants? i do remember a Polish girl who was fired on even Germany, while stating that 90%+ of their professional team is made of migrants, and mainly Indians and Polish do the main works for those German companies....:ranger:
     
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    say it Asians, a very good word to cover 90%+ students of Engineering/Medicine studies of Western Universities. with confirming that the kids of Asians are also Asians, in fact, even if they have citizenship from their parents :wave:
     
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    don't compare to Aussie , you know whats their ancestors are.
     
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    chinas education are bit too stiff, seem like most high tech are invent in US/west. all the R&D in US dod/doe etc are american, and no one can say US don't have high tech/quality equipments. so while china is good at basic scentific theory/math, US/europe etc are still pulling ahead in advance scientific development.
     
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    The article is satire
     
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    Exactly. I never understood how these Chinese students who cannot even form a coherent sentence in English pass TOEFL and GRE and get admission into top graduation schools in US. The most boring seminars almost invariably by Chinese (FOBs) because no one understands them.

    FOB = Fresh-off the Boat
     
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    Well GRE and TOEFL are just a part of the whole package. As long as you get a score above a certain level, you are safe. Most of the top universities go for you GPA and profile. More specifically, a bad score can hurt your chances but a good score does not guarantee anything.

    PS: I had a really good score in GRE but still couldn't crack top 10. :yo: :cry:
     
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    It's from The Onion, pmaitra. The Onion.:yuno:
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    The chick in blue is haawt.
     

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