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  1. Bobby Jose

    Bobby Jose New Member

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    I hav a doubt, why all u praying towards macca:hail:
    if u r worshiping the real god then you should look towards the heaven (to sky) not to a rock which I belive was a meteor.:frusty:
    many belives that macca first build by abraham even if that true abraham him self guided to jerusalem by GOD (the promised land) to become a kingdom and people of true GOD.
    through many prophets god said that jerusalem is the most blessed place in the earth and his temple will be build in jerusalem.
    he told us the destructon of the temple....that happened
    now rebuilding of the temple and walls of jerusalem will happen and its glory will be for ever when JESUS comes again to rule for ever.
     
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    DO we have a christian fundamentalist here :namaste:
     
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    Why does it itches you?
     
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    Everybody has right and freedom to worship anybody they like.
     
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    I am closing this thread for the moment. This subject appears to be extremely controversial and beyond our purview.

    If somebody wants to discuss this topic they can pm me to open this thread stating reason

    Personally I'd prefer if people take such exchanges up via a private form of communication.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    All religions are great.

    All religions have areas where debates can ensue.

    But should such debates not be in civilised manner?
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    According to Muslim belief, Ka'ba was sent by God. Muslims don't worship the Ka'ba as "God". So it is not idol worship. Muslims stand in the direction of Ka'ba and pray to God and not to Ka'ba.

    Ka'ba is a route to God, not God Himself.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    I am opening this thread for those who have more knowledge in this regard.

    It will be closed if the content goes off tangent.
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    please close such type of threads on Defence forum............................
     
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    Another Pathetic thread
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    Tell me one thing..

    is Jesus GOD himself? or is he son of a GOD?
    if he is son of a GOD, then where or who is true GOD as per Christianity?
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    also, i do not think anybody is worshiping merely stone here..

    we are worshiping the one who the idol symbolizes. this applies to all religions like bhudh, hindu, sikh, jain, vaisnav, muslims(mecca), etc etc. just like you have stone statue of jesus in your church.

    in Hinduism before we put statue in temple, we do maha-pooja called "pran-prathistha". google this more information.


    the ID "Bobby Jose" sounds like a convert to me :D
     
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    Yusuf has explained that Kaaba itself is not worshipped, it is just a symbol. AFAIK Islam reveres both Abraham and Jesus.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The Trinity - What is the Trinity?

    The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin noun "trinitas" meaning "three are one." The Trinity expresses the belief that God is one Being made up of three distinct Persons who exist in co-equal essence and co-eternal communion as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    The doctrine or concept of the Trinity is central to most Christian denominations and faith groups, although not all. Among churches that reject the doctrine of the Trinity are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, Unitarians, the Unification Church, the Christadelphians, and Oneness Pentecostals, as well as others.

    Although the term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, most Bible scholars agree that its meaning is clearly expressed. These are some of the verses expressing the concept of the Trinity - Matthew 3:16-17, Matthew 28:19, John 14:16-17, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Acts 2:32-33, John 10:30, John 17:11&21.

    The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.

    The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:

    1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

    2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:126; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1; the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22 11:7and Isaiah 6:8; the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

    In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

    3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7; 12Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

    4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1; 14Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

    5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; and especially John 16:13-14.

    6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.

    The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1; 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

    The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapour, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

    The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34).
     
  16. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The concept of Trinity or Triad is also in other religions.

    The Triad of Babylon. Nimrod, Tammuz and Simarimus.

    The Triad of Greece. Zeus, Apollo and Athena.

    The Triad of Egypt Osiris, Horus and Isis.

    The Triad of Hindusm. Brahma, Vushnu and Shiva.

    The Triad in Christianity . Father, Son and the Holy Ghost.
     
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    omg ray :(

    just give me plain and simple answer man. i had this question for long time in my mind..

    is Jesus GOD himself? or is he son of a GOD?
    if he is son of a GOD, then where or who is true GOD as per Christianity?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    What is God?

    What is God?

    Through bhakti yoga meditation we can know what is God through realizing a tangible, exquisite and very intimate personal relationship with Him.

    The Hindu scriptures explain what is God from every conceivable and inconceivable angle, including seemingly contradictory angles. They also tell that God -- who is a Divine subject -- simply can't be grasped, realized or attained by a material intellect.

    To find a reconciled and practical application of this philosophy that makes sense in our spiritual life, the experiences, teachings and association of true Saints and Jagadgurus in the Hindu religion are our greatest guide.

    With their help, there is every possibility that the truth of God's existence, closeness, grace and love could be realized one day.

    A correct approach to spiritual philosophy is the first step in helping you develop a devotional and faithful heart, which is essential to progress towards the attainment of your ultimate aim of supreme Divine happiness.

    A Philosophy of Everything

    The Hindu scriptures explain that all that exists can be categorized into one of three areas. These are:

    Soul (your true self)

    Maya (the material energy that produced the universe, and your body, senses, mind and intellect)

    God (the supreme Divine existence)

    There are hundreds of scriptures and thousands of Sanskrit verses that describe the interrelationship between these three tattva or existences.

    lthough there has been nothing left unsaid about what is God in the Hindu scriptures, how do we utilize this knowledge? For example, God is referred to as "viruddha dharmashreya" -- a repository of simultaneously-existing opposites. He is also "kartum-akartum-anyathakartum samarthah" -- so unlimitedly great that He can do the possible and the impossible, and also the opposite of both of these situations.

    God - One or More than One?

    There are hundreds of places in the Vedic scriptures and Saints have affirmed through their own practical experience that there are two aspects of one supreme God.

    Only One

    What is God? The Vedas state in scores of scriptural verses that everything is God. That Divinity is one without a second, beyond all forms, names and qualities. That divinity is an existence that is eternally imperishable and indivisible.

    Everything is one with God in its essential nature, including you as a soul. There is only one field of absolute Being where all divisions and separations merge into one existence.

    More Than One

    What is God is also described by the same Vedas from an opposite point of view. God is supreme and the souls and Maya are His subordinate powers.

    All three have their own unchanging unique and separate characteristics.

    God has form, name, abode, and qualities, the foremost among them being to grace the souls with God realization. He is an ocean of Divine bliss. The soul's ultimate aim is to realize God's bliss, visualize His Divine form and be in His eternal service forever.

    The "one-only" (nondualism) and the "more than one" (dualism) perspectives appear to be irreconcilable, just as other statements found in the scriptures, such as:


    For more read:

    What is God?
     
  19. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I have given the answer as above.

    If it were that simple an answer, then I would be either a Godman or become a new Prophet starting a new religion!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Let me explain the issue of idolatry.

    There are those who say that the Abrahamic religions have no idols/ icons.

    In intent that is true.

    In form, it is not.

    There is no doubt for those who believe, God is omnipresent and formless.

    But since the average person, who has not reached high spiritual bliss, cannot concentrate into a void, icons and symbols come in to assist to satisfy the soul.

    In early days, it was the physical form of the Elements - Fire, Water, Air and Earth that were the icons for veneration.

    Then came the idols.

    Then came the symbols of Faith - the Crucifix, the Kaaba, etc. These are not worshipped as such but are venerated! They act as the focus!

    So are these idols or mere aids to focus on the omnipresent, formless God?
     
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    Actually according to Hinduism in early days they just used to mediate to the highest unknown spirit like Sun and Nature (Fire,Wind,Earth,Water) and years after years they needed some thing to concentrate so they used the tree or other physical object to focus their mind then they started giving shape to the object divine nature powers (Varuna, Indra, Agni, Surya, Vayu, Prithvi) and finally here we are discussing.

    I think in similar way the Muslim also dont see this as god but some thing like that

    Edit : Hoops I think Yusuf has answered in #7 did not read full thread earlier that may be the reason
     
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