Religion may be taken out of marriage registration

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Should the religion be taken out of marriage registrations?

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  1. nrj

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    NEW DELHI: The Union Cabinet is likely to consider a proposal that seeks to do away with the requirement to disclose one's religious affiliation for registration of marriages as well as the demand of Sikh bodies that their marriages be registered under a separate law.

    The move has been prompted by the consideration to help those opting for inter-faith marriages, along with the need to make registration of marriages a simpler affair.

    It is recognized that those who marry outside their religion face harassment, including from the conservative sections of the bureaucracy.

    Administrative convenience is the other consideration, with the law ministry suggesting that registration of marriages will become easier if a clause on marriage registration is added to the Births and Deaths Registration Act, 1969.

    In its note to the Cabinet, the ministry has argued that since infrastructure to register births and deaths is already in place in civic authorities, it can easily handle registration of marriages once the law has been suitably amended.

    As for the demand of Sikh bodies, they have argued that their marriages should be, as is the case with other minority communities - Muslims, Christians, Jews, Parsis - registered under a separate law. Marriages of Sikhs along with those of Buddhists and Jains are currently registered under the Hindu Marriage Act: an arrangement which is being opposed by many Sikhs as part of their pursuit for a distinct identity. These groups argue that their demand can be accepted by amending the Anand Marriage Act, 1909.

    The Cabinet will be required to factor in view that meeting the demand will spark similar pitches from Jains and Buddhists: two other communities that have so far been comfortable with the practice, where their marriages are registered under the Hindu Marriage Act.

    Religion may be taken out of marriage registration - The Times of India
     
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  3. nrj

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    Poll added :D
     
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    This move should be implemented without any fear, people opting for inter-faith marriages face unnecessary troubles due to religious BS.
     
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    Also expect Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains aggravating their demand for distinct registration as that from Hindu marriages in order to recognize their separate identity.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    No one should be required to identify their religion to big brother.
     
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    For the long term survival of India, it is important that we eliminate Religion, language and culture as the primary sense of identity. I find it extremely intriguing that people even malayalee's (upper middle and above) has started to speak english as their main tongue by choice (whatever the reasons maybe), the religion of India should replace hinduism and islam, and a new culture will surely evolve as something very fresh and different from the centuries of the one's we had. Pakistan as entity will crumble in the face of such an onslaught.
     
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    This step will go a long way in helping many catholic couples to obtain divorce, at present the church remains stuck in the medivial mindset and adds to the woes of the people.
     
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    India as a whole already has a culture, and a very strong one at that. It dominates not only India, but Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and has a strong presence in Afghanistan, Central Asia, aswell as the Middle East. Most Indians confuse traditions with culture.
     
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    The indian pop culture, which is quite akin to the american pop culture, I remember the times when Americans were decried as cultureless etc etc, but today they dominate overwhelmingly over every part of the globe, today's western culture is nothing but american culture.

    The indian pop culture will only come at the cost of islam, hinduism, regionalism, linguistic divide and race, we are at the infancy of the said culture; as the middle class grows, this is going to grow. India will be rid of the viles of organized religion, regionalism etc etc in another 3 decades,


    PS: For all you know those fvcks in Pakistan might actually want to join back with us, by giving up their brand of islam and mis placed nationalism by their own will.
     
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    It's very important to collect data of interfaith marriages and then to calculate their success rates, and even more important is to track the well-being of the women who had married outside their faith (tracking has to be done especially in this case regarding their safety, sexual independence, choice of lifestyle and forced sexual labor, and then Divorce after use)!!
     
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    Its not the business of the state, if anybody or any other non governmental entity wants to do such a thing, they can at their own capacity. But it is not Government's job also it is not anybody else's business.
     
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    It becomes the community and family's responsibility when their daughters suffer......I can say the same - it is GOI's and every community's responsibility to keep their daughters safe and sound and see they are not plunged into illegal activities under the guise that few in the society wants to become obtusely liberal, and allowing the 'organized Romeo love gangs' to sway away young women for their nefarious designs, because we want to become ultra-liberal. Indian society will take ages to become open like the US!
     
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    I see good reason why the government should keep the data for statistical purposes, just in case there is a trend.

    I am saying this because in societies where arranged marriages are rare, there is a high rate of divorce.

    However, marriages should be made simpler and religious clauses should be done away with. In fact, a common civil code is long overdue.
     
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    True, data should be kept for academic and legal purpose.
     
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    Its not the community responsbility, daughter's(when in reality it is the community/society who has created all these issues for the girls) arent any more special than the son's. It is important they we conduct good and tight ship when comes to our law and order.
    If you dont romeo gang's to take away your women, then you might actually treat your women better and give them a proper education and exposure, killing the romeo's nor putting the women in burkha's has never worked in the long term and never will.

    It is a dangerous slope on , you are advocating government and society control and restrict individuals, it is unconstitutional as well as it is against basic human rights, its my choice to be a liberal or a right winger, it is none of anybody else's business, It is my divine right, that is my personal freedom.
     
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    I have to agree it is your 'divine' right!

    However, data has to be collected for academic purpose, that's my opinion though not a divine right. As this being unconstitutional (how data collection is unconstitutional, I could not fathom), however we all know how much our political class have respected and followed constitution; that's no secret. Being an ostrich and liberal is one thing, and being insightful and predicting trends is another.

    It's not a dangerous slope, which you have asserted. It will definitely keep checks and balances. Just because you may think women are not treated well in their communities does not mean they should be thrown to 'Organized gang of Romeos'; who will eventually ship them to middle east or send them into prostitution; that's no logic!
     
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    Does it mean that the special marriage act for interfaith couples will go as well?
     
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    Naturally. Since it will serve no purpose.
     
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    privacy abuse, personal freedom and racial profiling?????

    Why can't this word float? It's not new, data is always collected to analyse trends be it religious, demographic or simply socially, and this has been happening for ages; what is so new or alarmist about it? How does data analysis of any nature amounts to 'racial profiling'?? Per say, privacy abuse??




    Civilizations are based on controls and moderation, this is the basic tenant of a civilized society. There are rules to be followed by everyone even if they think it is their divine right to do otherwise. Laws are created for collective good and to maintain order not propagate divine rights. Hypothetically, if one or a particular set of people believe in pedophilia, a civilized socieity having laws against the same would not allow such things to occur, even if it means punishing such free-willers!!

    Romeos may do whatever they want; however it is the intent and latter consequences (suffered by young women) which matters, which you are unable to understand for obvious reasons. This definitely becomes a community problem when particular communities are deliberately targeted and things go spiral. It is always better to analyse these trends and take preventive measures, before things go out of hand.

    Prevention is better than cure. If a trend is on the rise, the GOI, communities, NGOs et al can take preventive steps, thus the issues may get resolved before too much damage is done. Laws do change, and usually to benefit the powerful and the influential; due to which fragmented communities are forced to come together and take preventive steps; which creates a uni-polar or a bi-polar society; which obviously we do not want or do we?

    As I had said earlier, in a civilized society we do have laws and their is no Free For All. Governments, communities and various agencies will intevene and play a vital role to maintain order you may like it or not, that's none of my business!
     
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