Regionalism in India

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  1. Ray

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    I have many Malayalee friends and even my orderly was an excellent Malayalee who is a doing well cashing in on the housing boom so much so that he is way richer than me.

    I respect them for being hardworking and industrious and not expecting any handouts from anyone.

    Great people.

    But, as an Indian, I am very sensitive to the tendency to divide the country for regionalism.

    Adux

    It does not worry me in the least if you are Gay.

    It is your choice.

    I am a tolerant person till I someone build walls amongst us.

    I am an Indian first, and a Bengali thereafter.

    And I will be damned if I feel to be a Bengali is greater than to be an Indian!!

    It is narrow minded people who are the bane of this great nation - Caste, Community, religion and so on!

    Enjoy yourself dividing us in the narrow divisions.

    Let me remind you what another Bengali had written:

     
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    We have our culture, and we would like celebrate it. It doesnt make us any less of an India. Please desist.



    The way Indian women are going, I wish I was. But alas, I love Punani too much. Better luck, next time Brigadier.
     
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    It is you who is twisting your panties and not me!

    I am proud to be an Indian.

    As a Bengali, I know my culture and what it means to India.

    But then, I am also aware that we are ONE.

    It is those who have nothing to offer, who have to advertise!
     
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    I am off.

    I can only say that this regionalism saddens me since I did not find it when I was in my profession or even when I was young and a child in an army surrounding with no dearth of Keralites and we all eating banana chips!

    Enjoy your gay clubs and it being God's Own Acre!
     
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    I'm sorry, but I find this post unnecessary and utterly ludicrous.

    "Dividing the country"? Please give me a break. We have an issue when any expression of one's identity becomes "anti-India". Reminds me of "Chak De India". ShahRukh was asking the hockey team where they are from, and everyone said their state names, and he was dissatisfied, saying that we should only call ourselves "Indians". What nonsense! If you meet someone in London and ask him where he is from, you might expect to get "India" as an answer. If you meet someone in the streets of Mumbai, and ask him where he is from, only an asshole will say "India". The normal, sensible answer to the question will be, "Bihar" or "Delhi" or "Kanpur" or "Kerala", etc. etc. etc.

    Just because there are Malayalees commenting on this page, does not mean that they are not "proud of India" or "unpatriotic". It is unfair if you choose to ignore all other views and posts by these persons on DFI, and foist the notion of "dividing the nation" upon them for participating in this thread.

    Maybe you should campaign against sites like Greatandhra.com, sadapunjab.com and yes - greatbong.net - using the same logic.
     
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    Ludicrous to you.

    No objection there.

    Do show me any Regional Corner out here in DFI.

    Tell me who is not proud of his birth, community, language or culture?

    But does it mean that there should be a special corner to be made in a forum which is not catering to special groups and interests?

    If one has to project the uniqueness and greatness of his region, cannot it be done in an open thread without making it an exclusive special corner?

    Are you suggesting that other communities are just passing time and are stupid compared to you Malaylees?

    Therefore, use your brains and logic, which I hope you have, before you start an agitation to pretend that Malayalees are the only one to inherit this earth!

    Films maybe your staple to intelligence and sole support for existence, but if you don't mind, it is not for me!

    You use the word. 'asshole' as a quotient for intelligence. I have no quibble if you classify yourself amongst them. I would, if you don't mind, find that rather puerile for classifying others including me! But then, I am no one to stop you to feeling that you are so!

    On DFI, if one is to classify oneself, I expect that he would say they are Indians and not assholes to use your phrase that I am not used to using since it show lack of upbringing!


    If I were parochial as you want to be, I should start a thread 'Bengalis are the the only ones who sacrificed for Indian Independence that you all enjoy and disabuse".

    How about that?
     
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    Too much fighting here.Maybe people can open some more corners like Punjabi corner, Marathi corner, Gujarati corner, Bengali corner, Andhra corner and Telangana corner:D .
     
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    I hope that day never comes!

    Maybe I am at fault and not you all.

    Having been an Army Officer's child, and then in the Army, and have roamed the length and breadth of the country enjoying is bounty and beauty, I have never experienced this unique behaviour of regionalism or community supremacy, caste, religion and things like that.

    Maybe I am the misfit!

    Therefore, maybe I don't understand your regional chauvinism.

    So, go ahead and have a good time with your little 'corners'.
     
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    There lies your problem - you have automatically assumed that I am a "parochial Malayalee". The reality is that I am not a Malayalee, and I don't even know one word of the language. Which part of India I am from is not even important. You are making the paramount mistake in forum discussions, of assuming things based on the other person's perceived identity, instead of arguing on the basis of the points that he makes. Not expected of you.

    I will stick to my "ludicrous" adjective which I used for several reasons. Firstly, being a moderator of this forum, how can you say "cannot it be done in an open thread without making it an exclusive..." - isn't it all about keeping threads "on topic", and for everyone to understand and participate? On the contrary, you should not tolerate it if people start typing in Malayalam and having cross discussions in MMRCA or Pakistan or China threads. Let people who want to have off-topic chit-chat in Malayalam, or discuss things unique to Kerala which the rest of us will not be very interested in, do it in a "Kerala corner" - how is that a problem?

    "Are you suggesting that other communities are just passing time and are stupid compared to you Malaylees?"
    "agitation to pretend that Malayalees are the only one to inherit this earth!"

    This is just too much. What utter nonsense. Please, kindly - show some maturity, and use "brains and logic", which you exhort me to use, and tell me what made you make this statement. I won't even repeat the fact that I am not a Malayalee at all. But seriously - "other communities", "passing time", "stupid compared to Malayalees", "agitation to pretend that Malayalees are the only ones to inherit the Earth"...? Really!! :rolleyes:

    On the international forum skyscrapercity, there is an Indian subforum, where the structure is organized in terms of various Indian states and cities. People of that city/state flock to their "Kerala section" or "Andhra section", or "Delhi section" and so on, and also provide contributions to other subforums. However, a Tamil article in Delhi forum or a Telugu article in Kerala forum is frowned upon. Everyone has their own "corner" to discuss things unique to them, which other people cannot appreciate/are not interested in. For instance, I would not be interested to hear passionate discussions about the merits of Jayalalitha vs. Karunanidhi, half the conversation in Tamil. Whereas lots of others may find it boring to hear about Mamata Di vs. the communists, the conversation peppered with snippets of Bengali news from Ananda Bazaar Patrika.

    "If I were parochial as you want to be, I should start a thread 'Bengalis are the the only ones who sacrificed for Indian Independence that you all enjoy and disabuse". How about that?"

    This nonsense word "parochial" has been abused more than necessary, without a proper understanding of its meaning. Anyhow, coming to your incredibly weird question: go ahead and start such a thread, I will be justified in making fun of such a thread. For God's sake, read the title of your hypothetical thread - how is that even comparable to a "Kerala corner" ? Are you doing this on purpose? Because, you could have very well said, "I could start a Bengalis corner", to keep the discussion comparable! :rolleyes:

    Really, not an expected response at all. Very disappointing.
     
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    I have roamed the length and breadth of the country too, and I have experienced "regionalism" in every part of the country - be it Tamilnadu, Delhi, or West Bengal. Maybe it is because I never had an Army campus to stay and live my life in, with all facilities available within, and actually had to interact with a great number of "locals" per force. Yet, I daresay I enjoyed the bounty and beauty of India as much as you did.

    However, please do not make the mistake of equating "regionalism" and "region supremacy". They are two very very different things.
     
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    It is not the issue of ‘perceived identity’. The issue is promotion of singular identities in a forum that basically promotes the Oneness of India and Indian society.

    Discussion of communities is good so long as it promotes understanding of the diversity that is India. To that extent it is good and laudable. However, to have a thread, “I am a Malayalee : Welcome to Kerala Korner!, does smack of an ‘exclusive’ niche being created.

    A discussion on Kerala, need not exult the regional aspect of the person starting the thread with “I am a Malayalee” and then conjugating it with “Kerala Korner”. To anyone reading the thread title, it would not be wrong to interpret that there is a distinct connection that the person being a Malayalee is foisting a “Korner” (corner) welcoming Malayalees for insular tête-à-tête.

    On international forums, there could be an “Indian” sub section. But DFI is an Indian forum. DFI may have an international appeal, but the fact that it has India in its name, does indicate that the forum is Indian and hence there is no need to have an Indian subsection, or for that matter, a regional sub section of India.

    I am not a Moderator, just to clarify your misconception. A Moderator has an onerous task and I am spared that burden (if indeed the task can be classified so). They are well aware of the policies and day to day administration. I am merely a bystander. Hence, the difference in nomenclature.

    Since DFI’s avowed policy, as I understand, is to ensure that there is no divisive tendencies surfacing, it finds religious overtones or regional overtones uncomfortable. Since you quote other forums for justification, may I draw your attention that some forums, even though very popular, do not have a single Muslim member? In this forum, there are Muslim members and even a Moderator. The reason is not hard to find; even though there are those who start religious threads, but because they are well moderated, there is a fair play. as humanly possible.

    If indeed, you feel that there should be a “Kerala Korner”, and to quote you, Let people who want to have off-topic chit-chat in Malayalam, or discuss things unique to Kerala which the rest of us will not be very interested in, do it in a "Kerala corner" - how is that a problem?, please feel free to take it up with the Moderators and they can take the call. Hopefully, it should not open up the floodgates to a "Hindu Korner" or a "Muslim Korner" or a "BJP Korner", "Congress Korner" so that they can also have their off topic chit chat and it would not be a problem to anyone!! That would be but fair! Niche groups discussing niche off top[ic issues for their niche pleasure! But then what if someone who does not like their thought raises Cain? How does one handle that?

    This how the pennies fall and it will become a Moderators’ headache to monitor and also handle reported posts. This is the very reason why one wants to avoid threads that can lead to the demand of a variety of singular interest threads that do not have universal appeal and is, instead, niche!

    On your contention that you are not interested on many an issue, to quote you For instance, I would not be interested to hear passionate discussions about the merits of Jayalalitha vs. Karunanidhi, half the conversation in Tamil. Whereas lots of others may find it boring to hear about Mamata Di vs. the communists, the conversation peppered with snippets of Bengali news from Ananda Bazaar Patrika, you may feel you are justified. However, let us look at it in another way. You may observe that these issues affect India as a whole and is not niche in the sense a regional corner would be. For instance, the Telegana agitation may not affect me personally or anyone not in Andhra, yet there is no gainsaying that it would not affect the Indian polity or the rise of subnationalism pan India. Thus, it would affect all of us. That is important, or is it not?

    However, if there was an Andhra Korner, one could discuss that in Gowligowda (near Hyderabad) there is a whole lot of gurumba that can be found. That is not a pan Indian issue that is earthshaking and can change the polity of the nation; and yet, would be of interest to Hyderabadis. In short, it would be waste of bandwidth and bandwidth does not come free! It is the goodness of the Administrators, who has used their personal finances and those who have donated that the DFI is managing to ensure your posting pleasure. Spare a thought for their effort!

    Parochial maybe overused, but I do understand the meaning. It means Narrowly restricted in scope or outlook; provincial. Do correct me if I have used it incorrectly to describe regionalism or provincialism.

    Ludicrous means Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity. If you pause and think it would be ludicrous if we have niche ‘Korners’ that are regional or political party centric or religion oriented, for after all, if we can have a Malayalee Korner to have "passionate off topic chit chat" that are Malaylee issue based, then I can think of two posters, who would demand that there should be a “BJP Korner” and some wanting a “Congress Korner”. And then teh floodgates open! What stops a demand for a “Muslim Korner” or a “Hinduvta Korner” or a “Christian Korner”? Now, that is what I call, to use your words, ludicrous! And that was the aim of my post i.e. stop DFI from being lucicrous!

    But if you feel my concern that we should not open up a Pandora's Box that will put DFI in a tailspin is ludicrous,then so be it! Please report the same for Mods arbitration!

    I am sure you will appreciate that DFI cannot be looked as a ‘parochial’ forum by pandering to some people and not to others!

    I do hope you have understood the problem. There are too many people with too many different views and to manage everyone's desire without opening up a Pandora's box is a huge hassle.




    I am sure you have interacted with a variety of people.

    But living in close proximity and meeting the same people day in and day out, morning, noon and night, gives a different insight to societies and people.

    I would say that even children of Armed forces personnel, who live in Cantts and move the length and breadth of India every two years and study in KVs where there is no social distinction, is an unique experience and a wake up call as to what is India!

    I may have travelled the length and breadth of India and having had a singular environment for education, it was an eye opener being a Chairman of KVs in a couple of military stations. It opened up a new vista as to what is India and what is its vibrant culture and what is patriotism! It made me a better man and it made be a better Indian!
     
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    Brigadier,

    This is a Malayalee Fun Thread. Please participate and have fun. Or Stay out. This is not serious debate thread, if you want. Create one.

    Regards

    Adux
     
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    it may be fun for you.

    But then it may not be fun for the Mods if one starts a Hinduvta thread and one which demands a Muslim thread to keep it even.

    Note, the tolerance level!

    Start a thread that has a title Kerala, Culture, Language and Fun.

    There are many wonderful issues of Kerala that should be known to all of us; especially those who have never been there.

    One could also, if one has the inclination, even discuss the soft porn films. Even that would be an education.

    Please do so.

    I wonder how many know the difference of the societal norms of Nair of South Kerala and that of the Nairs of North Kerala.

    Educate us on that.

    It will be doing service to India.

    Let us have fun through knowledge and knowing each other and we could always bring in levity also!

    Why ask me to create a thread. You do it. You are after all a proud Malayalee and so you will have the facts right!
     
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    This looks like Hindutva thread to you, then only god can help you. It says 'Welcome' to Kerala 'Korner', it didnt say Malayalee's ONLY Corner. There is a difference. Please keep your pontifications to yourself, also do create a thread on Regionalism and Nationalism, I dont care. Dont spoil our thread. This is in the Members corner for a reason. Do Desist.
     
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    adux,

    Find your space elsewhere!

    Do take it up with the Mods.

    I have no objection if they feel that is fine.

    They, after all , are responsible.

    also, I daresay, you can tell me what I should do! The Mods and admins can.

    Do forgive me in case I am not aware that you are a Mod or have taken over the Forum!

    I suggest you don't overstep your station.

    Let the Mods do the same and as I said, they are supreme and not I.
     
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    Now, tell us is this not niche?

    Catholic church in India says have more children
    http://defenceforumindia.com/politi...dia-says-have-more-children-2.html#post329514
     
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    Adux,

    I am opening the thread since I have raised a question.

    Tell us how do we handle this thread where Catholics are being lampooned for pure personal pleasures of a niche group which desire a little 'fun' to do some bashing?

    Nothing wrong, really.

    Just some 'fun'!

    Totally innocent fun, right?
     
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    In the Kerala Korner, can we also discuss the salacious issues of the Church?

    That too is 'innocent' fun.

    Please understand that while we may not be Malayalee, we also know much and we could have 'fun'.

    and then leave it to the Mods to clear the mess.

    They are not paid employees of this Forum, they are here giving their precious spare time.

    Why make it hard for them?
     
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    I think serious debate can be moved to another thread and this be left for the pleasure of the Mallus.

    Ray Sir, you can handle that serious part in that new thread while adux and co enjoy their thread which anyways is in members corner which is for fun stuff. Last i checked, Mallus are winning in the poll about which state are you from. They are entitled to their Kerala Koner.

    Moon: Yem wo yet another wo yen
     
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    I find the salacious issues of the Church in Kerala fun!

    So, should I also have fun?

     
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