Reasons for US' recent India Appeasement tactics?

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  1. arnabmit

    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Over the last month or so, there seem to be a sudden rush by USA to appease India.

    When at the other hand "Global Analysts" are criticizing India on those very points.

    What could be the actual reasons?

    • Trying to woo India to leave non-aligned stance against China?
    • Weary of Russia's increasing clout under Putin by appeasing the biggest Russia-leaning country?
    • Applying diplomatic pressure via bad cop, the "Global Analysts", with US playing good cop and making the idiotic UPA to sign the NPT/CTBT/FMCT before May 2014?
    • Or is it that India is developing similar technologies on its own anyway, US can't prevent it, so might as well make money.
    Let the conspiracy theories come in thick and fast!
     
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  3. pankaj nema

    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    The existing allies like Japan; South Korea ; Philipines ; Taiwan
    have many contraints in terms of Small size and small populations

    And for containing China in the LONG run ; A STRONG India is a Must for USA

    Other wise USA's Asia Pivot policy will just flop

    The stronger India gets ; it only adds Muscle and strength to the Anti China
    Broad coalition that is slowly taking shape
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The issue is that the US is very uneasy with the political scene in India and so wants to dig in as much so as to be a factor wherein whoever comes to power in India cannot ignore the US.
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    Also, another point to be pondered is maybe the dual conflicting stance of USA regarding India.

    There is the Carter lobby which is apparently pro-India, and then there is the Kerry lobby, which is vehemently anti-India.

    Which would be the official Obama stance? Would he listen more to Carter or Kerry?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Kerry is a fairy, politically that is!
     
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    NAMO is all about India.. and will do anything for the fast development of Defence .. Maximum through Indigenous projects...

    And US opposed MODI.. till now...better clear the deals before 2014
    And US has nothing to Loose .. it mainly offering TOT for large amount of money.. And Getting Lot benifit

    i) Money
    ii) Anti china stand
    iii) moving closer to India.. keeping russia out
    iv) keeping India at bay by pushing India not to buy oil for Iran.

    It is 20% benifit for india,, India may gain 9billion $ if it buys dollar from Iran...

    UPA has no guts for that... Iran is the only country to use Indian rupee internationally for its oil purchase.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Modi is a clever chap.

    He is keeping all options open.

    One has to hear his speech at the ex Servicemen Rally. He went hammer and tongs against Pakistan, but left it open to them.

    Likewise, he will keep the US as a puppet on the string and wean as much as possible and yet act aloof!

    One has to only observe how he has started mellowing his image so as to have an appeal to the Muslims, who are fed up with the false promise of the Congress, SP and others who claim to be pro Muslim (or using the polite term - pro minority; as if minorities are only Muslims)!
     
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    arnabmit Homo Communis Indus Senior Member

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    drkrn Senior Member Senior Member

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    if upa is going to sign it,then god help india

    not for money but for control.small example when india asked for a supercomputer to usa,they denied it.we successfully developed the one one which fits our need.now they have no say on our product.had they provided us with their tech,we would have been using them for programmes accepted by usa only
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    'India, US destined to be partners on world stage' | Business Standard
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    There is no doubt that given the geostrategic equations that are taking shape, India and the US have to converge.

    Both India and the US, in their own perceptions, are not comfortable in the manner China is attempting to assert itself on the world stage. China is too aggressive and too full of itself in its hegemonic pursuits.

    However, it is for the US to realise where the chickens come to roost and have to make up its mind whether it can effectively balance India's threat perceptions in the neighbourhood, which has a great chance to destabilise India with US help (indirect) or taking India on board!

    That would be the nub of the whole sabcheez.

    Kerry sure does not give confidence!

    And Obama is wishy washy!
     
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    At present, though America is keeping an eye on Russia, it is concentrating the majority of its forces in the Indo Pacific Region. It is for the sole reason to contain China. In all the 14 countries that share land border with China, most are disputed borders but only India has the means to counter China whether financially/technologically/militarily.

    The only way to buy India's trust is to offer deals which it cannot refuse and it knows far too well that India's concerns are centered around Pakistan and China. Hence, while not criticizing our missile program, it is trying to bag other lucrative deals which only Russia has been involved in the past. It would do well for India if we emphasis on TOT instead of mass production. As we see even in the current global scenario, America keeps even it's closest allies apart. So by getting India's support, America is gaining more than what it is actually offering because EMALS and Anti-Tank missiles can be eventually perfected over time and also they are not the latest technological trends either. Also, Russia may sooner or later offer these either by JV or by consultancy. As I see it, if Russia starts involving in the development of these technologies then there is no other avenue for America to make inroads into India because Uncle Sam will surely not involve India into the cutting edge technologies it is still researching. Also, if India again go the Russian way, then it will not support American initiatives against China wholeheartedly. That may be the only reason why these sudden overtures of friendship.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    whatever it is - we need to keep a balance
    and not as before throw the baby out with the bathwater

    soon after our independence the usa leaned towards us as communist china was a great threat
    our "leadership" rejected outright those offers
    we unnecessarily suffered at least 4 long decades becos of such careless attitudes of our own "leadership"

    lets for india's-sake get it right this time !
    where we can cooperate with the usa - let's do it
    where we find it difficult, let's dialog and
    jointly find solutions
    it can be done - we do have the brains for it
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I love that!

    Khurshed the acne man is showing it?

    I regret to say, his brains is displaced to the wrong end of the anatomy!

    Imagine we build the Chabahar port in Iran to import dry fruits!
     
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    t_co Senior Member Senior Member

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    lol... only India and Bhutan have disputed land borders with China.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    We must be vary of them yanks. We should only focus on indigenous weapons as the goal and only accept offers which includes tot otherwise deals should be shrugged off.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    nirranj Regular Member

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    Aren't we balancing the Three power houses, the Russians, Americans and Europeans!!!

    The FGFA, MTA, Supersonic cruise missiles in partnership with Russia.

    The SR SAM, Possible LPD program with the Europeans

    The ATGM's, Aircraft carrier take off assists, HTA with the Amercans.

    Also we are buying hordes of equipment from all three in a balanced way.. The Russians supplied us the Ships and Frontline fighters and Helos and the AWEACS. The US with the Heavy lifters and LRMR's, the Europeans with the MMRCA, VVIp Helos and the Subs..

    We are the much loved after country in this world now...

    Only thing is we should not let these lovers into our internal matters as we did in the 16th and 17th centuries...
     
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    oops vietnam, phillipines, taiwan and Japan all have disputed maritime borders with China... I think the count now is 6 and growing!!!
     
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    Being the largest arms importer in the world, while the currency slumps and the government imposes draconian import curbs to keep its balance of payments afloat, is hardly desirable.
     

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