RD-93 engines made in Russia will power the Chinese J-31

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  1. sorcerer

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    10:32 10.11.2014(updated 14:08 10.11.2014)

    RD-93 engines made in Russia will power the Chinese J-31 fifth generation fighters, Sergei Kornev said; he has also mentioned that there is a solution to the problem of China making copycat copies of Russian weapons.

    MOSCOW, November 10 (RIA Novosti) — A Russian-made RD-93 engine will power the Chinese J-31 fifth generation fighter, Rosoboronexport official told RIA Novosti Monday.

    "J-31 with the Russian engine RD-93 is considered to be an export program, able to compete with the American F-35 fifth generation aircraft on the regional markets," Rosoboronexport’s Air Force Equipment Export Department Head Sergey Kornev told RIA Novosti in an interview.

    "The program is ambitious, but very real, especially considering the high cost of F-35 and some problems with its development," Kornev added.

    Sergey Kornev, who is heading the Russian delegation at China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition in Zhuhai, told RIA Novosti that two fifth generation fighters are being developed in China, the J-20 and J-31, which demonstrates the high potential of Chinese science and aviation industry.

    The J-31 fifth generation fighter flew a maiden flight in October 2012 and there is currently only one prototype availabl
    e. The twin-engine jet bears some resemblance with the Russian T-50 or PAK FA fifth-generation fighter.

    China has also been developing its stealth J-20 fighter, which first took off in 2011, and is expected to be operational by 2017 or later.

    Russian RD-93 engines are a variant of the RD-33 engines, initially developed to power MiG-29 fighters. The RD-93 was developed by Russia’s Klimov design bureau specifically for the FC-1 fighter, known in Pakistan as the JF-17 Thunder.

    The world's only fifth generation fighter in service is the US F-22 Raptor, while F-35, Russian T-50 and Chinese J-20 and J-31 are at various stages of development.

    Kornev also mentioned about the problem of China's making copycat copies of Russian weapons, but pointed out that there is a resolution to that.

    "The problem [of China violating copyright of Russian weapons] exists, but it is solvable, and both sides are seeking the settlement of controversial situations," Rosoboronexport's Air Force Equipment Export Department Head Sergei Kornev said prior to the Airshow China 2014 exhibition, which will be held in southern China's city of Zhuhai on November 11-16.


    He cited a 2008 deal on intellectual property protection in military-technical cooperation between the two nations as a good example of Russia-China cooperation on the issue.

    "We continue joint activities on elaboration of working mechanisms of exposing violations. The problem is concealed in the inconsistence of local legislations as well as international acts," Kornev added.

    The defense official, however, underscored that military-technical cooperation between Russia and China has no hurdles which could not be cleared.

    In 1992, China bought Russia's Su-27 fighter jets. Fifteen years later, Beijing unveiled J-11B aircraft which Moscow labeled as a copycat version of Su-27.

    Russia has also accused China of producing cloned versions of Su-33 fighter jet, S-300 air defense system, the Smerch multiple rocket launcher and the Msta self-propelled howitzer in violation of intellectual property agreements.


    Source:Russian Engine to Power Chinese J-31 Fighter Jets: Rosoboronexport / Sputnik international

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    How much 5th generation it is, Only Chinese knows , And i don`t think i should comment either .. :)

    On the other part, PAF also operated JF-17 with same engine, PAF may be a likely customer of these 5th gen labeled fighters ..
     
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    RD 93 or RD 33?


    They will use it till their domestic engine matures. But again if it[ j-31] is not inducted in the PLAAF, it will have same fate as that of JF_17.
     
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    May be we can also get this JXXXI from Russian route to get a close look at it..........................:laugh:
     
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    A fighter with the lesser flying characteristics of a *brick called F-35 and not even a fraction of the advanced technology that is associated with it i.e. radar, avionics, engine should definitely be a market killer. Sarcasm off.:namaste:
     
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    Third generation engine In A fifth generation plane. Lot of misinformation.
     
  9. sgarg

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    Actually India can also make AMCA with Mig-29 engines. It is foolish Indian attitude to reject obvious choices for impractical options.

    The first stage for AMCA is to build a prototype which requires a proven engine.

    The Chinese are practical people that is why they are doing so well.
     
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    Why you say so. Russian engines are being updated as new technologies are developed.

    India's medium fighter can also be designed with two RD-93 which can later be replaced with two kavery.

    IAF and IA gives specs on the basis of Western equipment which is not practical for Indian industry. India can only produce weapons where technology is there. India only has Russian engine technology.
     
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    The Russian engines are not as long lasting as Western ones. However Russian engines are simpler to build and cost less.

    The problem is not with design but with materials and production techniques. If the same engine is built with better materials, it will last longer.

    Indian technologists can improve Russian engines. This can happen when private companies build engines as HAL does not have a technology oriented culture.
     
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    What generation is Rd93? Again Russia selling same merchandise to adversaries.
    Pakfa will be only true russian fifth generation engine when it arrives.
     
  13. sgarg

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    Engine's generation does not matter. An aircraft is a combination of many things only one of which is engine.
    I asked many times on this forum as why does IAF fly Mig-21 if it is so concerned about flying the latest Western planes?? Ultimately worth of an aircraft is about its military potential.

    RD-93 is a successful engine line.

    PAK-FA is name of a fighter not engine. It uses AL-41F1, practically same engine also used in Su-30.
     
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