Raymond Davis saga in Pakistan

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  1. Blackwater

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    An American man in the Pakistani city of Lahore has shot and killed a Pakistani motorbike rider, police say.

    Police told the AFP news agency that the American fired his pistol in self defence. US embassy officials were not immediately available for comment.

    Police say that the dead man was a robber travelling on a motorcycle. His pillion passenger was injured.

    "The man told us he pulled out his pistol in self-defence," Lahore police chief Aslam Tarin told AFP.:confused1::confused1::confused1:


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    Did the American killed the pakistani terrorist on bike??

    Was he member of blackwater?

    Will he be punished in pakistan ?

    bahut sawal ha
     
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    An American diplomat in the Pakistani city of Lahore has shot and killed a Pakistani motor bike rider and his pillion passenger, police say.

    Police told the AFP news agency that the American fired his pistol in self defence. US embassy officials confirmed that an American was involved.

    Police say that the men were pursuing the American in his car.

    "The man told us he pulled out his pistol in self-defence," Lahore police chief Aslam Tarin told AFP.

    A pedestrian was also killed by a speeding car from the US consulate which came to help, police say.

    They told the Reuters news agency that they were investigating whether the two men on the motor bike were robbers.

    Local TV showed footage of what it said was the American official's car. It had several bullet holes in the front windscreen.

    The American had stopped at a traffic light when two men riding a motor bike stopped near his car, police say.

    Police officer Umar Saeed told AP the American was being held in police custody.

    More than 100 people blocked the road after the incident by setting tyres on fire to protest against the killing, an AFP reporter at the scene said.

    The protest later moved to picket the police station where the car involved in the incident was impounded.

    The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Pakistan says that the incident, if confirmed, may add to anti-American sentiment in Pakistan.

    Our correspondent says questions are certain to be asked as to why the American was carrying arms and why, if he was a diplomat, he was not provided with armed protection.


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  5. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    This is reportedly a diplomat and now they are saying he killed three Pakistanis??? If he is a diplomat working for US consulate nothing will happen to him because of diplomatic immunity. Either way not much would have happened since Pakistan is a US client state.
     
  6. ganesh177

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    Anythings happen to him or not, but pakistani public will fume like anything, given the fact that americans are killing their brothers in day light on the streets (whatever be the reason and story behind it).
     
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    They are also killing them daily in drone attacks,why is this any different?? And they are helping Americans kill their afghan brothers, so what is their position in all this hypocrisy??
     
  8. The Messiah

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    What ? beggar better accept it when he is stomped in the face by master.
     
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    Latest news is that American who killed 3 lahori lads was memeber of blackwater and he killed them coz those 3 lahori lads were robbers. Anyhow that american has already left the country. JAI HO HO


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    Oh Boi... now the mulla brigade in the Pure Land will go ballistic with this and riots will ensue. To compound this, more of the Qadri dudes will come up and violence will rise again. Reports already say that people have rioted on the streets, burnt tyres and effigies.
     
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    A Pakistani prosecutor says the state will pursue murder charges against a US consular employee suspected in the shooting deaths of two armed men possibly intent on robbing him. Rana Bakhtiar spoke on Friday after the American appeared in court where judges ordered him to remain in police custody
    for six days.

    The case has sharpened anti-American sentiment in Pakistan.

    Raymond Davis is
    alleged to have shot dead two gunmen who may have been intent on robbing him has been formally placed under arrest and could face murder charges, authorities said Friday, in a case that may inflame anti-American anger in the country.

    A third Pakistani was killed in the incident on Thursday in the bustling city of Lahore, allegedly after being hit by a US vehicle rushing to aid the American.

    Police officer Umar Saeed said on Friday that the American had told officers he had withdrawn money from an ATM shortly before the incident, raising the possibility the two men were following him. Others Pakistani officers have said the men were likely robbers and both were carrying pistols.

    The issue of American diplomats or their security detail carrying weapons inside Pakistan was a hot-button subject last year among certain politicians and sections of the media purportedly worried about the country's sovereignty.

    Many Pakistanis regard the US with suspicion or outright enmity because of its occupation of neighboring Afghanistan and regular missile attacks against militant targets in Pakistan's northwest.

    Protests over the shootout were planned for Friday in Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi against Davis.

    "'American Rambo' goes berserk in Lahore,'" read the headline in The Nation, a right-wing newspaper that often publishes anti-U.S. conspiracy theories.

    Western diplomats travel with armed guards in many parts of Pakistan because of the risk of militant attack. Lahore has seen frequent terrorist bombings and shootings over the last two years, though the city's small expatriate population has not been directly targeted.

    Punjab province Law Minister Rana Sanaullah said the American was formally placed under arrest after a complaint from a brother of one of the victims. The case is being investigated as a potential murder, and the American may face that charge, Sanaullah said.

    Lahore police chief Aslam Tareen said the American may also face a charge involving illegally carrying a weapon, a Beretta pistol.

    "Diplomatic staff usually enjoy a certain type of immunity, but I am not sure about murder," Tareen said. "We will consult the Foreign Office and legal advisers in this regard."

    In a two-sentence statement Friday, the US embassy confirmed that a consulate staffer "was involved in an incident yesterday that regrettably resulted in the loss of life." The US was working with Pakistanis to "determine the facts and work toward a resolution," it said.
     
  12. JayATL

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    good shooting David. clearly they were attempting to rob you, the embassy car also had bullet holes in them. I'd advise all the same to get out of Pakistan. Let Pakistan protest and burn itself and damage more of its economy- as I know the protest will get violent at some point.
     
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    was he tourist?
    how did he get gun?
     
  14. JayATL

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    irony is that couple days earlier they had twin suicide bombs and Pakistanis shrug it off , but as a nation are up in arms that two local thugs got shot , when attempting robbery. such are the priorities of their citizenry.
     
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    Pakistan Urged To Release Detained American Diplomat

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    (RTTNews) - The United States on Saturday urged the Pakistani government to release one of its diplomats charged with killing two Pakistani civilians in a shooting incident in the city of Lahore last week, insisting that he is immune to prosecution due to his diplomatic status.

    "The United States Embassy in Pakistan calls for the immediate release of a US diplomat unlawfully detained by authorities in Lahore," the embassy said in a statement on Saturday, adding that the diplomat "has a US diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012."

    "When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Local police and senior authorities failed to observe their legal obligation to verify his status," the embassy said, expressing regret "that this incident resulted in loss of life".

    Though the embassy statement did not name the US diplomat involved in the incident, local reports quoting police officials identified the detained American as Raymond Davis, employed on "security duties" at the US Consulate in Lahore.

    The move came a day after Davis was produced before a court in Lahore and charged with murder in the shooting incident that led to the killing of three Pakistanis on Thursday. The court remanded Davis to custody until next week, pending a police investigation launched into the incident.

    During Friday's hearing, Davis reportedly told the court that he had opened fire at two men on a motorcycle in self-defense after they attempted to hijack his vehicle at gunpoint. The incident apparently happened shortly after Davis withdrew money from a cash machine, suggesting that the assailants could have been robbers.

    In addition to the two people shot dead by Davis, a pedestrian was run over and killed by a vehicle carrying Davis' colleagues from the consulate as they rushed to his aid.

    The US embassy's call on Saturday for the release of the consulate employee on grounds of diplomatic immunity came hours after Lahore Police chief Aslam Tareen said Davis does not qualify for such privilege as he was not licensed to carry firearms.

    Police investigating the case said earlier that they had recovered a pistol from Davis and found two pistols on the two men shot dead the US Consulate employee. Also, Pakistani government has indicated that a final decision on the case would be taken by the judges.

    by RTT Staff Writer
     
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    Urged? I thought some bombings were in order, where-in by mistake Gen Kayani & Shuja Pasha would be martyred. Pigs!
     
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    Urged huh? Its a miracle that the dude is alive after killing two "Pure" people. I thought the street mobs would have lynched him by now....:shocked:
     
  18. Hud

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    In Pakistan and that too in their capital even foreign embassy officials are not safe. Embassy official carrying firearm can only happen in Paapistan. The impunity with which he used his gun clearly goes on to indicate how scared Americans are in Pakistan. I am quite sure embassy guy must have thought that he was about to be kidnapped or something.
     
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    Davis is not the first American involved in killing incident


    By Sabir Shah
    Monday, January 31, 2011


    LAHORE: Raymond Davis is the second US official involved in a killing incident in Pakistan in less than eight months after a narcotics officer at the American Embassy in Islamabad had rammed his car into a Cabinet Division peon, sending the poor man to his eternal abode within hours after he had gone into a coma in June 2010.

    The lower-rank government employee Muhammad Yameen, resident of Block 106, Sector G-10/3, Islamabad, was struck at D-Chowk, near the Parliament House at Islamabad’s Constitution Avenue, by the US narcotics officer’s speedy vehicle IDM 6613. Though the guilty official had brought the critically injured Yameen to the Polyclinic Hospital himself, the 50-year old wounded peon soon succumbed injuries.

    The US Embassy officials had then managed to avoid the initiation of any legal action against their colleague under the garb of diplomatic immunity, but not before the Secretariat Police Station House Officer Hakim Khan had confirmed the tragic event to the media men.

    To refresh the memories, a First Information Report bearing Number 92 was registered against the US diplomat Mike under Sections 320/279, after an application filed by the deceased Muhammad Yameen’s son at the Secretariat police station.

    Spokesman for US Embassy, Richard Snelsire, had termed it a tragic incident though. This was the third such incident within just 10 days in May/June 2010, when the officials of the US Embassy were found guilty of over-speeding, careless driving or display of arms.

    Overall, the US and other foreign diplomats have not had a very pleasant time in Pakistan since November 21, 1979 at least, when the US Embassy in Islamabad was set ablaze by enraged Pakistani students, who were infuriated over rumours that the US had bombed the Holy Masjid al-Haram at Mecca a day earlier. There actually had been a terrorist attack at Mecca, but the US was not involved in it as a Saudi Arabian Islamic zealot group had led a takeover of the Holy Mosque.

    Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini had then immediately claimed that Americans were behind the attack on Islam’s holiest place.

    The US diplomats had survived by hiding in a reinforced area, though Marine Security Guard Steve Crowley and another American died in the attack.

    In 1988, the then US Ambassador to Pakistan, Arnold Raphel, had perished in a plane crash on August 17, 1988.

    He was travelling in a C-130 Hercules aircraft with the then Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq and the likes of General Akhtar Abdur Rehman, after witnessing a US M1 Abrams tank demonstration in Bahawalpur.

    Overall, 31 people had died in this plane crash. General Herbert Wassom, the head of the US military aid mission to Pakistan, was also among the dead.

    Just two years later on December 19, 1990, Sadeq Ganji, the then Iranian Consul General to Pakistan, was killed by militants for allegedly propagating the Shia sect’s ideology. It was then speculated that the assassination of Ganji was a revenge for the killing of a militant Haq Nawaz Jhangvi earlier that year.

    Sadiq Ganji, accompanied by his companion Muhammad Mukarram, was fatally injured in front of the International Hotel at Upper Mall Lahore. His killer, who had fled the scene, was caught in an injured condition at the Mozang Chungi, the same place where US official Raymond Davis had shot two Pakistanis dead recently.

    Much-feared extremist Riaz Basra was also implicated in this case and was tried in absentia.

    In 1997, a few visiting Iranian Air Force cadets were gunned down in Islamabad.

    On March 17, 2002, a US diplomat Barbara Green and her 17-year-old daughter had lost their lives, when a grenade was tossed into the International Protestant Church Islamabad during a church service. Five people were killed in this attack and 40 injured, mostly expatriates.

    On June 14, 2002, an explosives-laden truck had detonated outside the US Consulate in Karachi, killing 12 Pakistanis and injuring 51.

    On February 28, 2003, unknown gunmen attacked the US Embassy in Islamabad, killing two people.

    On March 15, 2004, there was another attempt to blow up a stolen van in front of the consulate. When the police questioned the driver of the parked van he claimed that the van had broken down. The police investigated the van and discovered a large blue tank filled with nearly 200 gallons of liquid explosives hooked up to a timer and two detonators. The device was deactivated and the plot failed.

    A Kazakh diplomat, Sapargali Aubakirov, was shot dead at his home in Islamabad on January 19, 2005. The deputy head of the Kazakh mission in Islamabad was found lying in a pool of blood at his house with a single gunshot wound to the head.

    According to one newspaper report, the Central Asian diplomat was found sprawled on his sofa, with empty bottles of liquor and four partly eaten hamburgers lying on a nearby table.

    According to The News/Jang, two Chinese men Hassan s/o Abdul Hamid and Mohammad Ibrahim s/o Abdullah were arrested in connection with this murder. The police had seized the diplomat’s cell phone and a pistol from the two arrested killers.

    On March 2, 2006, just hours before the arrival of the then US President George Bush in Pakistan, a car bomb had exploded outside the US Consulate in Karachi, killing four people.

    According to BBC News, David Foy, an American diplomat and three Pakistanis were among those who lost their lives in the incident. The bomb had left a two-metre crater in the car park of the Marriott Hotel and destroyed at least 10 cars.

    AFP had then quoted President Bush as saying from New Delhi, “Terrorists and killers are not going to prevent me from going to Pakistan. My trip to Pakistan is an important trip.”

    An American diplomat Keith Ryan was found dead in his Islamabad home after he had apparently committed suicide. Ryan had worked for the US Homeland Security, responsible for protecting America from possible terror attacks.

    Ryan’s body was discovered from his bathroom, a gunshot wound on the temple and a pistol was found nearby, BBC and AFP had reported.

    Keith Ryan was due to return to the US shortly, after completing his tenure in Islamabad. This was the first time such an incident involving a US diplomatic official had occurred in Pakistan.

    In March 2008, a restaurant frequented by Westerners in Islamabad was bombed, killing one and seriously injuring several others, including four US diplomats.

    In August 2008, the US Principal Officer in Peshawar was the target of an organised gun attack.

    The Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing, that occurred on September 20, 2008, killed at least five foreign nationals besides injuring 15 others. The majority of the casualties were Pakistanis though.

    While two American military personnel and a Danish intelligence agent were killed, a US State Department employee had also gone missing and hence presumed dead. In addition, six Germans, four Britons and a Filipino receptionist from the hotel were among the injured foreigners.

    The Czech ambassador to Pakistan, Dr. Ivo Zdarek, had also died in the ensuing fire along with his Vietnamese companion.

    Although the Czech envoy had survived the initial blast, he died while helping in the rescue efforts aimed at saving those trapped inside the hotel.

    A dump truck filled with explosives had detonated in front of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, killing at least 54, injuring at least 266 and leaving a 60-foot wide crater outside the hotel.

    The Marriott attack had occurred just hours after President Asif Zardari had made his first speech to Parliament.

    On November 12, 2009, gunmen shot dead Syed Abul Hasan, the spokesman for the Iranian consulate in Peshawar. The deceased was serving as Director Public Relations in the Iranian consulate. Chinese News Agency Xinhua reported that Hasan was fired upon at Gulbarg area of Peshawar.

    On November 13, 2008, unidentified gunmen had abducted an Iranian diplomat, Hashmatullah Attarzadeh, after killing his security guard in Peshawar.

    The kidnapping had occurred a day after an American aid worker and his local driver were shot dead in the troubled northwest city.

    It is pertinent to note that in 2008, and as the US State Department has also pointed out, one Iranian and two Afghan diplomats, two Chinese engineers, and a Polish engineer were kidnapped in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

    On April 5, 2010, an attack near the US Consulate in Peshawar had killed two consulate security guards and at least six others.

    Other key incidents targeting foreigners during the last one decade include the kidnapping and killing of US Wall Street journalist Daniel Pearl in January 2002.

    In March 2002, 11 French technicians were killed in Karachi.

    On November 12, 2008, an American working for a non-government organisation was also shot dead in Peshawar along with his driver.

    In February 2009, a US UNHCR official was kidnapped in Balochistan for ransom.

    The memories of the March 2009 attack on the bus carrying Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore would still be fresh in the minds of the cricket-loving Pakistanis. About half a dozen security personnel/traffic wardens were killed in this incident, which had also tragically marked the end of international cricket fixtures in Pakistan.

    In October 2009 attack on the World Food Programme headquarters Islamabad had resulted in serious injury to a US official. We all know that a good number of Chinese engineers have already been abducted and killed in this country in recent times.
     
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    Equality in the eyes of the law in Pakistan


    BY HUMA IMTIAZ, JANUARY 31, 2011
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    It seemed to be simple case of shooting in self-defense in a busy street in Lahore, after being threatened at gunpoint by robbers. The twists in the narrative, however, have made it into a front-page story here in Pakistan. The person who killed the two men, Faizan and Faheem, was Raymond Davis, a U.S. citizen and reportedly a member of the U.S. Embassy staff. And when Davis called the U.S consulate in Lahore for help, a staff member allegedly killed another person, Ubaid ur Rehman, in a hit-and-run accident after speeding down on the wrong side of the road in an attempt to reach Davis.

    Davis has been arrested, and is in police custody in Lahore. Pakistani authorities, eager to stake their claims about the sovereignty of the Pakistani nation and the rule of law, have vowed to not hand over Davis until an investigation into the matter is completed. Members of political and religious parties have urged the government not to release Davis, while anonymous text messages have circulated asking the government to swap Davis for Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, the Pakistani neuroscientist who was convicted and sentenced to life in prison in an American court last fall for attempting to murder her U.S. interrogators in Afghanistan.

    The Davis incident brings up many questions. Firstly, who IS Raymond Davis? Reports are still mixed. According to ABC News, Davis is a private security officer. The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad calls Davis a "diplomat". The truth is anyone's guess.

    The U.S Embassy says Davis was "assigned to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, has a U.S. diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012." They have called for his release, saying that as a diplomat, Davis has immunity under the Vienna Convention. But on Sunday night, Dawn News, a local Urdu channel, broadcast what it says are images of Davis' passport -- which did not have a diplomatic visa.

    The Davis incident has already added fuel to the fire that is known as U.S.-Pakistan relations. In a country where the U.S. enjoys very little popularity, an incident of a "diplomat" shooting two Pakistanis, whether they were robbers or not, has helped fuel anti-U.S. sentiment. At a protest, organized in Karachi by Jamaat-e-Islami, a religious party, hundreds of protestors condemned the incident.

    Local newspapers with right-wing, anti-American leanings, such as The Nation, ran headlines such as "'American Rambo' goes berserk in City", whereas Urdu newspaper columnists have urged that the law be allowed to take its course.

    Others have asked questions about what Davis was doing in Pakistan, and why he tried fleeing the scene after the incident. Columnist Ejaz Haider asked, "Why did Davis try to run away from the scene after displaying the calm ability to shoot a pistol with a steady hand, get out of the car, make a video of the bodies, and talk to someone on the wireless?" The News' Ansar Abbasi, a right-wing columnist with a strong anti-American streak, cited previous incidents of embassy officials in Pakistan involved in carrying weapons. The News also ran a story titled "How U.S. behaves when diplomats commit crimes."

    As the tug-of-war continues between the U.S. and Pakistani governments over Davis' immunity and whether he should be tried for murder or not, there is an urgent need for diplomacy and tact in this case. If Davis is not actually a diplomat, the U.S. Embassy should allow Pakistani law to take its course if it would like to improve its reputation in the country.

    However, the issue, which has already been politicized, will take a nasty turn for the worse if Davis is indeed a diplomat, and enjoys diplomatic immunity in the case. Religious and political parties, aided by columnists and sections of the media with anti-U.S. slant, will blame the Pakistani government for ceding to the U.S. government's demands, regardless of the facts of the case.

    Secondly, it is ironic that religious and political parties are demanding justice in this case, and yet turn a blind eye to the injustices within Pakistan, and those blatantly and proudly flouting the rule of law. Mumtaz Qadri -- who killed the governor of Punjab, Salmaan Taseer, in cold blood because of his support for changing Pakistan's controversial blasphemy laws -- has been lauded as a hero and defender of Islam, while Davis, who may have been acting in mere self-defense from potential robbers, is called a demon. If everyone is equal in the eyes of the law, political leaders in Pakistan need to remember to demand justice for anyone who takes the law into their own hands.

    Huma Imtiaz works as a journalist in Pakistan and can be reached at [email protected].
     
  21. JayATL

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    these two punks who were blown away by Mr Davis had criminals records of previous robberies and they had just robbed another earlier.

    Why did he run away at some point? because he did not want to get lynched by the vastly ignorant fanatics on the streets. Mr. Davis needs to be freed and India should send him to Kashmir next , his sharp shooting accuracy would be helpful in blowing a few terrorists away.

    Too harsh? it's factual... - here is the ulterior motive of these low lifes " anonymous text messages have circulated asking the government to swap Davis for Dr. Aafia Siddiqui, the Pakistani neuroscientist who was convicted and sentenced to life in prison in an American court last fall for attempting to murder her U.S. interrogators in Afghanistan." - they don't give a rat's ass about the 3 who died. They want 'begum nut job' to be freed .
     
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