RAW Beijing chief dismissed for ‘impropriety’

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  1. ejazr

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    RAW Beijing chief dismissed for ‘impropriety’ - Indian Express

    The Beijing station chief of RAW, the country’s premier external intelligence agency, has been summarily dismissed on grounds of alleged “operational impropriety”.

    Amreet Ahluwalia, a joint secretary-level officer, was recently called to Delhi for routine consultations and then swiftly served the dismissal order under relevant sections of Article 311 (2), which allows such action without an inquiry for purposes of national security. He will receive no pension or post-retirement benefits.

    The last time RAW (Research & Analysis Wing) invoked this article was to dismiss Rabinder Singh, a JS-level official who had defected to the United States from the agency. He had been under surveillance for spying for foreign countries.

    While unwilling to part with details in Ahluwalia’s case, RAW maintained that charges against Ahluwalia were serious and related to “impropriety” in conduct of operations. Sources said the nature of the dismissal itself indicates the seriousness of the charge.

    While he could not be contacted, the sketchy details so far indicate that the Beijing station chief had developed serious differences with the headquarters over “operational issues” during his posting.

    At one stage, Ahluwalia is alleged to have threatened to send letters to the political leadership as well as the Opposition, listing his objections. He is believed to have shared the drafts of these purported letters with his official hierarchy, leading to further discord.

    The fact that a senior officer like Ahluwalia was considering putting out “operational details” perhaps served as a provocation. Insiders say he had similar problems during his earlier assignment in the US, sometime during 2004-07. At that time too, he had run-ins with the agency on certain sensitive issues. However, these were eventually brushed aside as he completed his term.

    Given his profile and postings — the US and China being his last two foreign assignments — Ahluwalia was clearly among the upcoming officers in the agency. After his US posting, he had done a stint in Delhi and was later sent to an important outpost in Jammu and Kashmir upon his promotion as joint secretary. Soon after, he was posted as station chief in Beijing
     
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    RAW please control your guys, they look RAW and not professionals for which Kao laying foundation for. :tsk:
     
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    If he had a problem then, he should not have been posted to sensitive appointments.

    What a flawed policy.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    Fight he will by writing a book " My days were RAW" or "How I got a RAW Deal.."
     
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    How RAW is RAW, RAW at inner WAR

    :rofl:

    on serious note, RAW is just like any other organisation it has its horses and donkeys. People who will do work and people who are busy doing other things.
     
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    RAW is a palindrome of WAR.. thats the reason RAW is at WAR:taunt:
     
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    Sounds like a honest guy who had serious concerns over how things were run and wished to improve the agency's workings. Obviously the higher ups don't like to be seen or depicted in a bad light, so they made him the bakra.

    If the guy was willing to put his concerns on the record, it would surely have been inconvenient to a lot of people. Secrecy breeds arrogance and incompetence.
     
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    quite intuitive ! I like what you said.. indeed something insightful.... discretion erodes accountabilty , its a two edged sword

     
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    do it within the department, his post seems that he is very senior guy, he knows how to proceed in the matter, but seems like he has lost it.
     
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    Maybe you'd have said the same thing if the Army Chief during Nehru's time had threatened to make his concerns public about the "Forward policy" or how unprepared the IA was for 1962.
     
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    well it is difficult question, but i would say in the end, it should be our elected political master who should make final decision rather then military men with guns, since the power of gun will cloud his decision as soon as he will know the power of weapon on its civilians as the case with Pakistan.

    In this case also the pleasure of President was withdrawn, he has remedy available in law to approach CAT or the Court against withdrawal of please, then it will be messy affair, lets wait and see what happens.
     
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    Other things means being on DFI ! Collecting intelligence from DFI and projecting as their analysis ! Is it ??
     
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    lets not discuss other things, more RAW is out of news better it is, officially the agency does not exists, it has cover of cabinet secretariat.

    Its moto

    धर्मो रक्षति रक्षित

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    RAW Beijing chief dismissed for ‘impropriety’ - Indian Express
     
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    Seriously? :facepalm:
     
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    I have always been intrigued at what amazing ease we spell out the names of our people doing the most secretive stuff, and then the whole plot is exposed, and not only that, all that has been built on painstakingly goes for a toss and further, if the concerned officer has done a good job, a big number of operatives in field in respective countries get exposed.

    Take this article, under the pretext of Madhuri Gupta, the journalist exposed the turf war between RAW and IB, but more importantly and read the article carefully, and you will get the underlying message with the intention with which the article was written and yet again some very sensitive information was leaked though that writing which to some might come across as an amazing work of investigative journalism, but is no more than an extension of the turf war.

    Do we need all this?

    The RAW deal: Work for nation, be damned; work against it, be feted

    Rajesh Kalra
    07 August 2012, 11:05 AM IST

    The news about the dismissal of the Beijing station chief of India’s external intelligence agency, Research & Analysis Wing for “professional misconduct” has been flashed across the media today. While for most, it is just a juicy news item, to those who have the good of this nation at heart, this is nothing but yet another episode of how this government has completely lost it. Just when it seems they can’t do any worse, they prove you wrong.

    Superior is the boss, PERIOD! Anyone who does not follow orders or does not take instructions properly from the bosses needs to be dealt with in the strictest possible manner. It is true of any service, and even more so in case of those involved with secret operations. But then, they are to be dealt with as per the set procedure for dealing with such cases.

    Nowhere in the world would you find someone revealing the names of officers involved in such instances. It jeopardises operations in the areas they were working in. Maintaining secrecy, especially of those in operational roles, is sacrosanct.

    But look at what has been done here. Not only is the name of the officer, who was the top man in the highly sensitive position in China revealed, what has also been revealed is where he had been posted earlier. How senseless can we get! It almost finishes the career of a top officer who has been in operational roles. Even more importantly, it destroys the years of hard work that he may have put in. This work could include years of building contacts and sources, all of who now come under a cloud in their respective nations.

    It is little wonder that several officers, who risk their lives and lead a life without their families for years, feel let down and their morale plummets when such instances happen?

    The other significant aspect that the idiots who revealed the names have not given a thought to is that the person dismissed was a very senior officer and has information of operations in two of the most significant areas as far as India is concerned – China and the USA. Surely you need to discipline a person for insubordination, but put him on the mat like this? What if he turns rogue? Can you wipe his brain off?

    Strange that a nation that refuses to part with names of those who have amassed huge ill-gotten wealth in Swiss banks would so eagerly reveal names, endangering its officers and their associates who are working for the nation.

    Dear worthies, this is a nation where arms dealers and middlemen strut around with secret documents. They are wined and dined by the powerful till they are exposed. It is the people who expose the names of these middlemen who need to be feted. However, those who reveal the names of officers involved in secret operations need to be shot between, you know where.
     
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