Rape, rhetoric and reality

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    A statistically faulty focus on rape has led to a misdiagnosis and a worsening of India’s real problem: women’s autonomy

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    The recently reported rape of a young woman in a taxi in Delhi has brought back attention to India’s sexual violence problem. The spotlight has been on the country since the horrific rape of a young woman aboard a bus in December 2012, an attack that killed her. The beginning of a new conversation on women is welcome, but this two-year focus on rape as the key indicator of women’s status in India has been both statistically faulty and counterproductive.

    Where does India actually stand in global comparison? The official source of inter-country data on reported rape is the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). In 2012, the most recent year for which the UNODC has collected cross-country data, there were 24,923 reported rapes in India, or 4.26 reported rapes for every 1,00,000 women. This places India at 85 out of 121 countries for which data for 2012 is available. At the top of this list is a mix of developing African nations and industrialised western nations — Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland and Sweden. The United States comes in at 16 and Brazil at 18. It is, however, widely acknowledged that the rate of unreported sexual violence in Indian society is far higher than official statistics would indicate, and that this is likely to be a bigger problem in India than in other countries, as it is a more patriarchal society.

    UN Women, the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women, compiled the rates of unreported partner and non-partner sexual violence across 99 countries which had recently conducted large-size household surveys. These are surveys that have been conducted under international standards. In India, for instance, the Demographic and Health Surveys (DHS) were funded and monitored by the United States Agency for International Development, and in Brazil, the surveys were conducted by the World Health Organization. This makes these surveys of acceptable quality and comparable across countries. While the surveys look at physical and sexual violence, I looked at sexual violence only. I left out countries that grouped sexual and physical violence together.

    First, I looked at sexual violence perpetrated by anyone, whether an intimate partner or a non-partner. India reported 8.5 rapes for every 100 women over their lifetimes, based on the answers they gave household-level surveyors. Of the 99 countries studied by UN Women, 55 asked women if they had experienced sexual violence at the hands of an intimate partner or any other person; India came in at 39. As of December 2012, the most recent year for which global data is available, at the top were Ethiopia, Ghana and Finland, where nearly half of all women surveyed said that they had experienced sexual violence perpetrated by a partner or non-partner during their lifetimes. Sexual violence within relationships is globally more common than that perpetrated by strangers, and India is no exception. Ten per cent of women in India reported having experienced sexual violence by their husbands during their lifetime. In the UN Women database, this places India at 43 out of 86 countries with comparable data.

    Both sets of statistics together place India towards the middle to lower end of the global scale of sexual violence. Yet, for the last two years, the rhetoric around rape in India has not reflected this.

    None of this is to say that sexual violence is not a problem in India, or that there are “acceptable levels” of rape. Moreover, sexual violence statistics mask the level of sexual threat and resulting insecurity that are constant companions for women on Indian streets, even when they do not result in violent rape.

    Women’s autonomy


    However, this statistically faulty focus on rape has led to both a misdiagnosis and a worsening of India’s real problem when it comes to women: autonomy. Just one in five women has her name on her house’s papers and four out of five need permission to visit a doctor, the India Human Development Survey revealed. Just one in five women is in the workforce, making India’s workforce one of the most gender-biased in the world.

    Part of the reason India’s official sexual violence statistics are low is this lack of female autonomy. With rape within marriages not considered a crime in India, and the vast majority of women over the age of 15 being married, police statistics only represent that small proportion of sexual violence that occurs outside of the marital relationship. This lack of autonomy interacts with sexual violence statistics in one more key way. As The Hindu’s investigation of 543 judgements on rape in Delhi’s district courts showed earlier this year (“The many shades of rape cases in Delhi,” July 29), the largest part of what is classified as rape is actually parental criminalisation of consensual sexual relationships, often when it comes to inter-caste and inter-religious couples. Yet India’s official rape statistics are used as shorthand for a lack of public safety, not a lack of autonomy.

    Women’s movement outside their marital homes, already restricted, is in danger of further shrinking in the face of the disproportionate focus on public sexual violence over the last two years. Instead of pushback against the curtailment of women’s freedoms, these are in fact being sacrificed at the altar of women’s safety: the promotion of toilets inside the house as a measure for women’s safety is just one example of this. On a reporting trip in Fatehpur district in Uttar Pradesh earlier this year, the male head of a rural household told me: “When my son got married, I built a toilet for my daughter-in-law. She is not to leave the house for anything — I don’t want her to leave the house to go to the toilet either.” This is a sentiment widely repeated and, moreover, rewarded by official policy.

    The right direction

    If India is serious about allowing something substantive to emerge from the conversation that began two years ago, it needs two things. One, the recognition that the vast majority of sexual violence experienced by women is within marriages — 97.7 per cent of all sexual violence, as per the DHS survey used in the UN Women database, is perpetrated by husbands. Two, the acknowledgement that while sexual violence exists and every act is unacceptable and deserves prosecution, it isn’t at the epidemic levels that the last two years of reporting have implied.

    What is epidemic is the culturally embedded restriction on women’s autonomy, across caste, class and religious groups. Addressing this might sometimes directly contradict what “women’s safety” might demand, but it is the right direction to go in, both statistically and morally.

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    India has a problem but not much like our #paid/International media crying :frusty:
     
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    Is rape something new. It is an instrument of terror. This social evil has many faces including gange rape now prevalent in India, friendly rape and date rape so prevalent in the western countries, and rape used for ethnic cleansing. We are witnessing the latter in Iraq and Syria on Yazdi and Kurdish women.

    What you probably did not know that until last year Canadian women's organization was publishing statistics that 50% of women in Canada have suffered or came so close to suffering this indignity in their life.

    It has been going on for time immemorial. Even Ravana took Sita as a hostage, he would have committed rape, had Sita's natural powers not prevented it from happening.

    What is new is that Women's organization have gone vocal. Any hint of this idignity and they are there. Then highly coloured accounts are published.

    The rapists have gone very daring because they are aware that law is toothless. It cannot do them much harm. Those rapists of a young girls 2012 Delhi have not been hanged yet, although even Supreme Court has confirmed their sentence. Those rapists of a young news reporter in Bombay are walking around free. A young woman in Kanpur is so scared that her rapist meets her often, walking free and scaring the hell out of her. He knows that these charges will come for hearing in about twenty years, if they do. A woman in Orrissa or other place got summons to appear in court after twenty years, in her rape case. She probably turned down the summons.

    So what am I arguing I.e. Law is toothless, court system has endless loopholes for a publicity seeking lawyer to endlessly delay the case, worst rapists are politicians and their cronies; they commit rape or get charges dismissed, women have take precautions that rapists amongst us in the society are walking around, only searching for an opportunity, porn is free on Internet, girls and their families have gone coward and letting it happen and not shooting the son of gun dead ( a few dead rapists immediately and others will take a note of it), police are sometimes not taking a quick action. Etc. etc.

    Please pardon me for being blunt, safety precautions for women are essential, parents have to take a stern action, courts have discipline the lawyers for endless delays, police safety squad have to be formed to discourage would be rapist.

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    @Hari_Sud u quote 3/4 examples 'how India is worst',I can give u 1000 example of how US/UK rape crisis is worst than India.Any way i'm not interested in mud throwing,if u have any stats to prove ur point u r welcome.

    for ex:Four months b4 Paki muzzies raped some 2000 kids in one city.Do u think without loop holes in law they done it
     
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    There is no point in comparing our situation with some other country's statistics.

    Rape is an issue, it has to be dealt with.

    To the people who blame the law, courts and judiciary as one of the problems, I have a different opinion. I would say the support mechanism to establish a crime is not efficient enough. Support mechanism like forensics. If forensic labs are proper and widely available it would be difficult for rapists to get away with. I don't think DNA profiling is part of the judicial process, it is used only in few cases.

    I have always felt that women's groups are asking shouting the wrong slogans. They should start asking for better investigation using scientific methods. Since this is not catchy we will not find this slogan on any placards.
     
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    Minor girl raped by minorities in Amdavad

    Late last night, the city crime branch arrested one Mustaq Mustaqim Shaikh (33), who is a native of Jalgaon district of Maharashtra, in a gangrape case filed by a 17-year-old girl yesterday.

    Yesterday, the police had arrested Zafar alias Sohil Shaikh (21), Tausif Alam Tirmizi (25), Razaur Rehman Ansari (25), Mashkur Ali Alvi (23) and Sozabkhan Pathan (24), the police official said.
     
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    What is epidemic is the culturally embedded restriction on women’s autonomy, across caste, class and religious groups. Addressing this might sometimes directly contradict what “women’s safety” might demand, but it is the right direction to go in, both statistically and morally.

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    What does that even mean, women choosing husband is white tradition specifically viking.

    We are not going to allow that, same with virginity & marriage. In USA women who are virgins at marriage have around 15% divorce rate, with one previous partner it jumps to 46%. When both man woman are it is 4% in USA of all places.

    Past that, Un & these other organizations are just promoting cultural christianity. We don't want our women to have to work, this whole assumption that men women same is nonsense.

    Same 'rights' thing as well, I don't have real concern as no foreign invader ever was able to destroy vedic system at village level. They pushed hard during UPA government, all it got them was Sikh regiment surrounding Delhi which is named after a large Sikh Gotra Dhillon.

    Long term you can either have self defense or a massive police state. India is moving in direction of former, also why is it never understood that it is primary responsibility of woman's father brother husband to protect her?

    Because they want to make woman an 'item' instead of part of larger society, starting with family unit. If you can isolate woman, you can control future & direction of that society.

    Look at Europe since christian conversion. Don't take these things so lightly, my sisters all know how to shoot & will have concealed revolvers in village.

    One story is that Pathans would not even fire at Sikh women they had taken prisoner when ordered to. They were scared, the guards had their ribs broken & the women escaped.

    Obviously Sikh means Rajput Jatt & Dogra not Jaat, saini or other groups. But lot of pseudo Christians here don't 'believe' in jaati, only political correctness so will use different terms once in awhile. :bounce:
     
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    How news is presented can distort the reality about true extent of problem of rape in a society. It can be magnified by repeating and highlighting a high profile case and thus, can make people think its a huge problem.
    In reality, rapes are two types...(1) True rape , which is a violent act and has hatred and derogation of the victim AND (2) Pseudo-rapes..which are made up to gain financially or to politically/socially destroy a man.
    Pseudo rapes are prevalent in western countries whereas true rapes are more common in developing countries like India. A common example of pseudo-rape is as follows: A younger woman starts flirting and gets involved with an older, rich or famous man...initially sex is consensual as she is preparing her victim to get attached to her and become comfortable with her. As time passes, she starts to ask for material benefits (money/favors etc.)
    and if not provided , she goes and accuses the man of "rape" to blackmail and/or destroy this man. Some of these women are male-haters who are for revenge from all men and feel powerful by destroying them.
    Pseudo rapes mushroom in greedy, selfish and materialistic societies as "money" is supreme value in these capitalistic societies and trumps all other values.
    True rapes are truly violence against women by men who are psycho-pathically-minded and consider women weak. These types of rapists should be punished very severely to deter violence against women.
     
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    Actually both kinds of rape common in west, as blacks commit many rapes in USA & muslims in Europe with lots of overlap i.e Pakistani muslim or black muslim.

    100s of white women raped everyday by niggers in USA & these goras don't do shit.

    That's why I laugh when they say they could or did 'conquer' India. :pound:
     

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