Ramzada vs Haramzada : Outrage over Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti remarks

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  1. Singh

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    Launching the BJP’s campaign in Delhi, Union Minister of State Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti told voters here on Monday that they must choose between ‘Ramzadon’ (those born of Ram) and ‘haramzadon’ (illegitimately born). Meanwhile, another Union Minister of State, Giriraj Singh, compared Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Ram.

    Addressing a rally in West Delhi’s Shyam Nagar area, Jyoti, the BJP MP from Fatehpur in Uttar Pradesh, said, “Aapko tay karna hai ki Dilli mein sarkar Ramzadon ki banegi ya haramzadon ki. Yeh aapka faisla hai (You must decide whether you want a government of those born of Ram or of those born illegitimately).”

    Taking a dig at Congress president Sonia Gandhi and her son-in-law Robert Vadra, she said: “Jis sadharan parivar mein…bartanon ki dukaan rakhne wala…uska beta, Sonia Gandhi ka damaad, arab-kharab pati kaise ho gaya? Gareebon ko loota hai, gareebo ko choosa hai. Modiji kehte rahe hai, na khayenge na khane denge. (The son of an ordinary family, who had a utensils shop… Sonia nor will we tolerate it).”

    Addressing another rally in Dhirpur, Giriraj Singh told the BJP cadres that Modi was their “saviour”. “Do you know Hanuman? We are all Hanuman. Hanuman told Ram that he has no identity of his own. Hum Modi ke bhakt hain purey desh mein. (We are all followers of Modi.) People wanted to know the reason for my victory in Lok Sabha. I told them it is only Narendra Modi,” he said.

    Comparing AAP chief Arvind Kejriwal to Maarich (a mythical character who could disguise himself), Singh said: “We used to have Ramlilas in our village. A youth once demanded that he should be given a chance to play Hanuman’s role. He had no experience. When he went on stage and Raavan pulled out his sword, he ran away from the stage… Kejriwal wohi nakli Hanuman hai… Kejriwal un Rakshasho mein bhi Maarich hai, jo vesh badalta hai par kabhi na kabhi pakda jata hai… (Kejriwal is that fake Hanuman, he is the demon who changes shape but will get caught one day),” said Singh.

    In the run-up to the Lok Sabha polls, Singh had courted controversy when he said that there was no place in India for those who were opposed to Modi, and they should go to Pakistan.

    Reacting sharply to Jyoti’s comments, former Delhi Minister and AAP leader Manish Sisodia said, “The BJP clearly wants to vitiate the atmosphere. Comments like these from senior ministers show that their concept of elections is divisive and based on hooliganism.”

    Former Congress minister Haroon Yusuf said, “This is what the BJP has been doing in Delhi for the past few months. They have been trying to polarise Delhi on the basis of religion, this is what they did in Trilokpuri and Bawana. This politics of religious polarisation is very dangerous and spreads hatred. But Delhi won’t accept this.”

    Ramzada vs haramzada: Outrage over Union Minister Sadhvi’s remark | The Indian Express
     
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    All political parties did this some point in time, why the fuss!!!!
     
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    yaa,they're over doing it!
    Media also hyping it!
    But govt gives 2-3 advt for media daily!
     
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    You're the one blaming BJP for deviating from its core Hindu ideology, no ? :p
     
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    Indeed a lot of haramazada roaming free around the country. She did not say anything wrong.
     
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    BJP has successfully turned Congress' U-turn issue into a non-issue thanks to the Haramzada controversy. Next few days our media will keep itself busy discussing Babari Masjid. BJP must be laughing at the ignorance of the opposition.

    Can anybody guess why no political party has dared to file a complaint with the EC?
     
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    Not sure why this is even a controversy or an issue.
     
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    yes to certain extent,i am against any schemes or increase fund to min ministry!

    Ps- i didn't expect bjp to ignore ndtv money laundering,punish media all illegal funding! Worse they finance msm!
     
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    Some Ramzadon used to practice untouchability against people of Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti's caste - Fact !
     
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    All of them fall under the second category.
     
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    Most immature statement by the Minister.

    There are these type of crude people who have been suddenly elevated who do not realise that the world is beyond rhetoric that may draw thunderous applause from the thronging crowd at the village square.
     
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    No word is too crude, no gesticulation too lewd

    The Bengal chief minister’s crass language is forcing The Telegraph to draw the bamboo curtain on her outburst that bristled with a bamboo-linked invective and a raw gesture at a public meeting in Jalpaiguri on Wednesday.
    Readers who insist on their right to know may turn to Bengal — only if you must and you are aged above 18

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    The words used by the Most Honourable Mamata Bannerjee are

    The crude behaviour and talk is really getting to be shameful.

    Ms Bannerjee lives in a rather rundown area, but that does not mean she should bring in slum culture into politics, or should she?
     
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    But then they were Ramzadas, so how can you be a Ramzada and a Haramzada ?
     
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    Centre reminds TMC of Tapas

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    New Delhi, Dec. 3: An aggressive Centre today countered the Opposition demand for the ouster of a foul-mouthed minister by citing the hate speech of Tapas Paul, the Trinamul Congress MP.

    Opposition members disrupted Parliament for the second day running and demanded that minister Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti resign over her abusive speech earlier this week. Members of Trinamul, the Congress and the Left were among those who shouted slogans and walked out of the Lok Sabha.

    "There is no question of the minister's resignation," parliamentary affairs minister M. Venkaiah Naidu told the Rajya Sabha.

    The upper House, where the ruling NDA is in a minority, couldn't transact any business for the second successive day because of repeated adjournments. The Lok Sabha functioned normally after one adjournment and the walkout.

    The government, which appeared defensive yesterday, chose to hit back today, by drawing attention to the Paul case and the objectionable language that Congress member Beni Prasad Verma had used against Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

    "Tapas Paul, an MP of this House, told (his supporters) to rape women. No action was taken against him and Mamata (Banerjee) said 'should I kill him?'" Naidu said in the Lok Sabha after agitating Trinamul and Congress MPs refused to calm down.

    Verma, he said, had refused to apologise. "Then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had to tender an apology on his behalf. So I urge you not to pursue the matter and allow the House to run."

    Naidu sought to flag the backward-class identity of the minister and said she was a first-time MP, so the Opposition shouldn't make a big issue out of her remarks when she has already apologised.

    Jyoti, minister of state for food processing, had made the remarks at a rally in poll-bound Delhi on Monday, asking the people "to decide if they wanted a government of Ramzaadon (followers of Ram) or haramzaadon (illegitimates)". She had later expressed regret.

    The Opposition demanded that Narendra Modi, who was present in the Lok Sabha after a tour abroad, make a statement on why Jyoti had not been sacked.

    The Prime Minister remained seated, prompting Trinamul and Congress MPs to rush into the well and raise slogans like "NRI PM, jawab do", in a crack at Modi who was not seen in Parliament yesterday.

    Naidu took on the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha, too, but the rival bloc, in a majority in the House, held firm. "The minister's apology in the House does not absolve her of the crime. She has committed a cognisable offence... the minister should be sacked (and) an FIR lodged against her," Congress leader Anand Sharma said.

    CMP leader Sitaram Yechury said Jyoti couldn't continue in the council of ministers as she has violated the Constitution.

    A lawyer today filed a complaint with Delhi police against Jyoti, saying the minister should be booked for her "hate speech".
    Centre reminds TMC of Tapas
     
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    Those who practise untouchablity are Haramzadas. BJP and RSS don't subscribe to segmentation of Hindus. All Hindus are to be treated as equals.
     
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    I am pretty sure that there are lot of Sanghis that do practice caste system. However, best of luck to BJP and RSS in their aim.

    Wishing for a party that doesn't subscribe to segmentation of Indians. :)
     
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    Those who want "special privileges" and "first right over the resources" for themselves, want their personal laws to override the Indian laws and those who use secularism and democracy to kill secularism and democracy deserve to get "segmented" and thrown out of India.
     
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    I am sure cong behind left's ante,cannot rule out money transfer!

    Cong didn't gut to fight govt directly!

    Ps- i see wb govt advt only in ndtv!
     
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    I am not able to quite follow

    re: Personal Laws
    1a. How are personal laws of any community overriding Indian laws or are offensive to other Indians ?
    1b. Do Indian laws dictate what an Indian can and cannot do in his private/personal affairs ?
    1c. If Indian laws do dictate it, then how come so many fundamental rights are also guaranteed ? Is it not a dichotomy ?
    1d. Is it okay for two individuals to enter into a partnership as and how they deem fit or should the state dictate how Indians behave amongst themselves and their family members ?

    re: democracy and secularism
    2a. How are people using secularism and democracy to kill secularism and democracy ?
    2b. India is a Republic, not a Democracy to put it in technical terms. Being a Republic automatically means no to majoritarianism (and veto power to minorities).
    2c. Secularism is not defined in the Indian constitution, it stems from our ameliorative uanderstanding of ideals in the Constitution.

    3a. In countries which are deeply divided, should there be some sort of power sharing or not ?
    3b. In countries which are very diverse, should there be some sort of representation of fringe/minority community (ies) ?
    3c. In a republic as opposed to majoritarianism, to prevent majoritarianism there ought to be special privileges such as veto powers to be guaranteed to the minorities.
    3d. Special privileges given to certain communities is a very much part of the constitution based on the fact that India is diverse country with deep societal divisions and it seeks to be a Republic.
     
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    Oh come on, Did these so called secular media & secular political parties( Khangress, SP, BSP, MIM, pAAP & LEFT) called for resignation from the then Home Minister Mr Shinde made the statement saying RSS & BJP are promoting Hindu terrorism? Though he retracted later( which no secular media noticed), was this not communal? Sadhavi is junior minister, mistakes are bound to happen, why is media blowing it our of proposition, but communial Shinde was the Home minister when he said.

    MIM is openly threatening to finish Hinduism in India, why is so called secular media & secular parties not commenting on it.

    Move on!!! She has apologized to the nation.
     
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