Ramayana: Ancient Indian Epic

Who was better?

  • Rama (and his cohorts)

    Votes: 18 81.8%
  • Ravana (and his cohorts)

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • I cannot pick a side.

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .

KS

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When done in response to having had his sister disfigured . . .in first place yeah quite . . .

Most people tend to conveniently overlook that it was Ram/Laxman who were the aggressor , when they sliced off Surpanakha's Nose

what kind of avatars were they... to have done that to a harmless girl . . who was simply enamored by them . .

Infact I find it quite gentlemanly that Ravan didn't rape in retaliation . . .
Bull shit..it was the duty of Laxman to defend Sita who was threatened by Surpanakha who was lustily after Ram....It was genlemanly of him not to kill her on the spot and just punish her.

Dont talk if you know the mytholigies fully.
 

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Either way, does it make him gentlemanly for kidnapping an unarmed, alone and married woman?.
See, this is what happens when you jump in the middle of the thread. First read the preceding posts.

Here you go:


It's like you have 5 pots of water, and one of them is the hottest of all. That does not mean the hottest pot is the hottest object in the universe, but only the hottest among those 5 pots.

Similarly, I am not saying Ravana was the most gentlemanly person of all beings, carnal or ethereal; but he was definitely the best of all the main characters in Ramayana.

Does this help?
I cannot make it any simpler.
 

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You're the one who finds rape to be a justified method of revenge, as someone already said, if Ravan wanted revenge he should have fought Ram not kidnap his wife.
But same way Rama should have fought Bali out in open. Of course if you don't believe the super vardaan given to Bali that is.
Dont know the truth of it.
 

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You're the one who finds rape to be a justified method of revenge, as someone already said, if Ravan wanted revenge he should have fought Ram not kidnap his wife.
Once violence has already been used on a woman . . .

all bets Go off . . .

so talking of what's gentlemanly or correct way of taking revenge is Pointless
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Anyway let's take this debate in the chronological order . .

And since the Surpanakha event happened first . . .let that one take precedence . . .

what are your thoughts about that . . .what exactly is your opinion on Ram/Laxman's character in light of that event ?
 

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What Ram did to Vali was understandable considering Vali's powers and his own debauchery....What Raavan did was understandable considering he was goaded on to doing this by Surpanaka...Moreover it was his fate to do that..he was Jaya (Guard of Vaikundam) who had been cursed to be born as Ravana and attain moksha at the hands of Vishnu (Rama).

In the end was all one pre-ordained fate and I find people debating that useless.
 

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But same way Rama should have fought Bali out in open. Of course if you don't believe the super vardaan given to Bali that is.
Dont know the truth of it.
I don't defend Ram for his actions (tbf, I am more averse to the whole Sati and trial by fire Saga) but Ravan was no gentleman.
 

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And since the Surpanakha event happened first . . .let that one take precedence . . .

what are your thoughts about that . . .what exactly is your opinion on Ram/Laxman's character in light of that event ?

When your bro's wife is threatened by a lady gangster who is lustily after your brother and wants to achieve that by killing your bro's sister, what would you do ?

Laxman's action was completely defensible and correct and what any duty bound brother would have done.
 

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Once violence has already been used on a woman . . .

all bets Go off . . .

so talking of what's gentlemanly or correct way of taking revenge is Pointless
Agreed. So Ravana was not gentlemanly. Now everyone is free to assign him a "lesser evil" or all other sorts of tags
 

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Once violence has already been used on a woman . . .

all bets Go off . . .
Supankha attacked Sita first. :wave:

And no, all bets don't go off, there are limits, even when talking in superlatives.
 
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Bull shit..it was the duty of Laxman to defend Sita who was threatened by Surpanakha who was lustily after Ram....It was genlemanly of him not to kill her on the spot and just punish her.

Dont talk if you know the mytholigies fully.
Well and who Humiliated Surpanakha in first place before she "attacked" Sita ?

Was it not both Ram and Laxman who first decided to have their little fun with her becuase they thought she was below their standards
 

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Well and who Humiliated Surpanakha in first place before she "attacked" Sita ?

Was it not both Ram and Laxman who first decided to have their little fun with her becuase they thought she was below their standards
Laxman attacked Surpanakha because tried to kill Sita..

You have got your version messed up.
 

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You know guys, there's a view point in Hindu spiritual literature which says that Ravana being a visionary obviously knew the abduction was a big sin.
He just took a shortcut to salvation by causing Ram (Lord Vishnu) to kill him. Being killed by the lord himself guaranteed salvation they say. :rolleyes:
Now, munch on that :D

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Supankha attacked Sita first. :wave:

And no, all bets don't go off, there are limits, even when talking in superlatives.
The Proof is in the pudding . . . .we can play this game of who started it off ...back and forth for ever . . .

but ultimately it was Laxman who first used violence . . .End of story .
 

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@V - He (Jaya) and Kumbakaran (Vijaya) were born to be killed by Lord Ram.

I think it was a curse by Sage Durvasa.

The Proof is in the pudding . . . .we can play this game of who started it off ...back and forth for ever . . .

but ultimately it was Laxman who first used violence . . .End of story .
He defended Sita first who was attacked by Surpanaka..

As I said if you dont know the things about our epics fully, please dont argue just for its sake.
 

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Laxman attacked Surpanakha because tried to kill Sita..

You have got your version messed up.
No . . .u can refer to your version again if its Valmiki you are referring to . . .
Though there are many others which have no less merit then this version which evidently has been
written to make it all sound like Black/white

It was Ram/Laxman who started deriding Surpanakha and humiliated her in the first place .
 

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.we can play this game of who started it off
Don't want to sound like a dick or nothing, but you started it.

Anyway let's take this debate in the chronological order . .

And since the Surpanakha event happened first . . .let that one take precedence
but ultimately it was Laxman who first used violence
In defense against Supankha who resorted to violence first.
 

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As I said if you dont know the things about our epics fully, please dont argue just for its sake.
Attack the message and not the messenger . . .
It would be fair to say you are in No Position to gauge my knowledge of scriptures . . .
 

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No . . .u can refer to your version again if its Valmiki you are referring to . . .
Though there are many others which have no less merit then this version which evidently has been
written to make it all sound like Black/white

It was Ram/Laxman who started deriding Surpanakha and humiliated in first place .
I'm referring to Kamba ramayanam, no less authentic than any of the sources and we have plenty of discourses here about that.

So no, I'll say again - Surpanaka was a widow who was lustily after Ram and when rebuffed by both Ram and Laxman of her advances, she in a fit of rage attacked Sita and that was when Laxman chopped off her nose in an act of defense.

It's fate..if not for Kaikeyi and Surpanaka, there would not have been a Ramayana.
 
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how about a poll ?
 

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