Ram or Rama, Yog or Yoga, Krishn or Krishna? Which is right?

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  1. rock127

    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Ok so since it's getting into a discussion. Let's start......

    Below are some examples how "a" is getting added into words which was supposed to be silent in English translation.As a result the original pronunciation is deviated and hence the language.

    Ram as Rama
    Krishn as Krishna
    Aayurved as Aayurveda
    Ramayan as Ramayana
    Mahabharat as Mahabharata
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    In South India the "a" is added to all names coz the way alphabets are esp in Kannada
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    That's right but again South Indians also say "Yum" and "Yuf" instead of M and F.

    So how authentic is that because their accented pronunciation simply deviates the original words ie. adding an extra "a".Ram and Krishn were not born in South.

    Are English/British people going to change their M and F because South Indians pronounce it their way?
     
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    In Karnataka

    Ganesh= Ganesha
    Mahesh=Mahesha
    Dhruv=Dhruva

    Just for example.

    For objects, a "u" is added. A "u" is added to even English names to "Kannadise" it.

    Chair=Chairu
    Desk= Desku etc :D
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Well North Indians (Check Hindi) news channels call my state as Karnatak, while its called Karnataka over here.

    They call it Tamil Nad in the north, its Tamil Nadu in the south
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Yes and that's the point.

    They have Southernized the languages so either it's Hindi/Sanskrit/English all get's changed.I asked a good friend working with me.He is from Andhr Pradesh(Vishakhapattnam) and when asked he says it's pronunced as Andhra Pradesh. :D

    Not just South but in North as well.For example people from Punjab using Hindi becomes Punjabi Hindi and sounds more Punjabi.Also it's difficult to spell पंजाब_in English as well.So "Punjab" and "Panjab" are both wrong in English but that's the closest way English can spell it.

    So the FACT is that the original words needs to be pronounced(Chair as Chair and Ram as Ram) as it is in it's purest form though practically local language affects it.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Ram or Rama, Yog or Yoga, Krishn or Krishna? Which is right?

    Nothing is right.

    It is your health, metal and physical, is what would be right!

    One can invoke the name of God one feels comfortable with.

    I am not too sure, if God finds it offensive, if an 'a' is added or not.

    But then, I will confess God did not come and discuss the same with me!

    Now which is right - Lata or Latha?

    Bhupinder in Punjabi is actually Popinder!

    Ghumman is actually Quamman!

    Bhai is actually Payee, with a quiver in the voice when you say Payee.!

    Now, which is right?
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    It's not about names of Gods only but the way it's words gets pronounced in other languages.

    As I said before it's not easy to spell and pronounce the words in other language specially a language like English.If someone starts calling my name in accented American English then it doesn't mean it is right as it gets twisted.Also my South Indian friend adds up "a" in my name but it doesn't mean it's right since it gets twisted.
     
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    Jesus is Isu in most Indian languages.

    Is is Yeshua in Hebrew.

    It is also Joshua or Jeshua.

    Language Name/variant
    Afrikaans Jesus
    Albanian Jezusi
    Arabic `Isà عيسى (Islamic) / Yasū`(a) يسوع (Christian)
    Aragonese Chesús
    Azerbaijani Ä°sa
    Bengali যীশু
    Bosnian Isus
    Breton Jezuz
    Catalan Jesús
    Chinese 耶稣 (Simplified), 耶穌 (Traditional) – Yesu (Mandarin), Yasu (Cantonese)
    Cornish Yesu
    Croatian Isus
    Czech Ježíš
    Dutch Jezus
    Estonian Jeesus
    Filipino Hesus/Hesukristo
    Finnish Jeesus
    French Jésus
    Galician Xesús
    Greek Ιησούς (Iisoús modern Greek pronunciation)
    Haitian Creole Jezi
    Hawaiian Jesu
    Hebrew Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
    Hmong Daw Yexus
    Hungarian Jézus
    Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
    Irish Íosa
    Italian Gesù
    Japanese イエス (Iesu)
    Kazakh Иса (Isa)
    Korean 예수 (Yesu)
    Kurdish ÃŽsa
    Latvian JÄ“zus
    Ligurian Gesû
    Limburgish Zjezus
    Lithuanian JÄ—zus
    Lombard Gesü
    मराठी-Marathi येशू - Yeshu
    Malayalam ഈശോ - Eesho, യേശു - Yeshu
    Mirandese Jasus
    Maltese Ġesù
    Neapolitan Gèsù
    Norman Jésus
    Occitan Jèsus
    Piedmontese Gesù
    Polish Jezus
    Portuguese Jesus
    Romanian Isus
    Russian Иисус (Iisus)
    Sardinian Gesùs
    Serbian Исус (Isus)
    Sicilian Gesù
    Scottish Gaelic ÃŒosa
    Slovak Ježiš
    Slovenian Jezus
    Spanish Jesús
    Tajik Исо (Iso)
    Tamil இயேசு - Yesu
    Telugu Yesu
    Thai เยซู - "Yesu"
    Turkish Ä°sa
    Turkmen Isa
    Ukrainian Ісус (Isus)
    Uzbek Iso
    Venetian Jesu
    Vietnamese Giêsu
    Welsh Iesu
    Zulu uJesu
    Sinhala ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - -jeesus wahanse

    How does that change the entity?

    Which is correct?
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    The one where it originated is the CORRECT ONE.

    Period.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Which one is that?
     
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    When my parents moved South from N India, the most hilarious thing for me was classmates enquiring in the morning `did your homeworkaa?`... :)

    As kids we siblings took great pleasure in asking my father to pronounce `f`, `m`,'n`,`orange`, etc pronounced `yef`, `yum`,`yun` and `worange` respectively !
     
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    South Indian languages are generally closer to Sanskrit than Hindi-Urdu, which is heavily Persianized.

    The South Indian convention of the vowel ending on words follows the original Sanskrit convention.
     
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    So then Rama is right and not Ram if we consider Sanskrit?
     
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    Yes, that's right. "Ram" is just the modern Hindi pronunciation.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    And where did "Sanskrit" originate? And why it's not "Sanskrita"? :hmm:
     
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    Let me add some more.

    SRI is written and pronunced SHRI
    SIMHA (Lion) is written and pronounced SINGH, except Gujarat where it is SINH.
     
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    It is saṃskṛtam, and that is how it is pronounced in South Indian languages.
     
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    Why are there two different words for the elephant?

    Gaj and Hasti (Hathi)
     
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    Ever wondered what is the difference betwen a Geet and a Gazal or a Tagma and a Tirana?
     

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