Ram or Rama, Yog or Yoga, Krishn or Krishna? Which is right?

rock127

Maulana Rockullah
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
10,569
Likes
25,230
Country flag
Ok so since it's getting into a discussion. Let's start......

Below are some examples how "a" is getting added into words which was supposed to be silent in English translation.As a result the original pronunciation is deviated and hence the language.

Ram as Rama
Krishn as Krishna
Aayurved as Aayurveda
Ramayan as Ramayana
Mahabharat as Mahabharata
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
Ok so since it's getting into a discussion. Let's start......

Below are some examples how "a" is getting added into words which was supposed to be silent in English translation.As a result the original pronunciation is deviated and hence the language.

Ram as Rama
Krishn as Krishna
Aayurved as Aayurveda
Ramayan as Ramayana
Mahabharat as Mahabharata
In South India the "a" is added to all names coz the way alphabets are esp in Kannada
 

rock127

Maulana Rockullah
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
10,569
Likes
25,230
Country flag
In South India the "a" is added to all names coz the way alphabets are esp in Kannada
That's right but again South Indians also say "Yum" and "Yuf" instead of M and F.

So how authentic is that because their accented pronunciation simply deviates the original words ie. adding an extra "a".Ram and Krishn were not born in South.

Are English/British people going to change their M and F because South Indians pronounce it their way?
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
That's right but again South Indians also say "Yum" and "Yuf" instead of M and F.

So how authentic is that because their accented pronunciation simply deviates the original words ie. adding an extra "a".Ram and Krishn were not born in South.

Are English/British people going to change their M and F because South Indians pronounce it their way?
In Karnataka

Ganesh= Ganesha
Mahesh=Mahesha
Dhruv=Dhruva

Just for example.

For objects, a "u" is added. A "u" is added to even English names to "Kannadise" it.

Chair=Chairu
Desk= Desku etc :D
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
Well North Indians (Check Hindi) news channels call my state as Karnatak, while its called Karnataka over here.

They call it Tamil Nad in the north, its Tamil Nadu in the south
 

rock127

Maulana Rockullah
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
10,569
Likes
25,230
Country flag
In Karnataka

Ganesh= Ganesha
Mahesh=Mahesha
Dhruv=Dhruva

Just for example.

For objects, a "u" is added. A "u" is added to even English names to "Kannadise" it.

Chair=Chairu
Desk= Desku etc :D
Yes and that's the point.

They have Southernized the languages so either it's Hindi/Sanskrit/English all get's changed.I asked a good friend working with me.He is from Andhr Pradesh(Vishakhapattnam) and when asked he says it's pronunced as Andhra Pradesh. :D

Not just South but in North as well.For example people from Punjab using Hindi becomes Punjabi Hindi and sounds more Punjabi.Also it's difficult to spell पंजाब_in English as well.So "Punjab" and "Panjab" are both wrong in English but that's the closest way English can spell it.

So the FACT is that the original words needs to be pronounced(Chair as Chair and Ram as Ram) as it is in it's purest form though practically local language affects it.
 

Ray

The Chairman
Professional
Joined
Apr 17, 2009
Messages
43,132
Likes
23,834
Ram or Rama, Yog or Yoga, Krishn or Krishna? Which is right?

Nothing is right.

It is your health, metal and physical, is what would be right!

One can invoke the name of God one feels comfortable with.

I am not too sure, if God finds it offensive, if an 'a' is added or not.

But then, I will confess God did not come and discuss the same with me!

Now which is right - Lata or Latha?

Bhupinder in Punjabi is actually Popinder!

Ghumman is actually Quamman!

Bhai is actually Payee, with a quiver in the voice when you say Payee.!

Now, which is right?
 
Last edited:

rock127

Maulana Rockullah
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
10,569
Likes
25,230
Country flag
Ram or Rama, Yog or Yoga, Krishn or Krishna? Which is right?

Nothing is right.

It is your health, metal and physical, is what would be right!

One can invoke the name of God one feels comfortable with.

I am not too sure, if God finds it offensive, if an 'a' is added or not.

But then, I will confess God did not come and discuss the same with me!

Now which is right - Lata or Latha?

Bhupinder in Punjabi is actually Popinder!

Ghumman is actually Quamman!

Bhair is acxtually Payee, which a quiver in the voice when you say Paye....

Now, which is right?
It's not about names of Gods only but the way it's words gets pronounced in other languages.

As I said before it's not easy to spell and pronounce the words in other language specially a language like English.If someone starts calling my name in accented American English then it doesn't mean it is right as it gets twisted.Also my South Indian friend adds up "a" in my name but it doesn't mean it's right since it gets twisted.
 

Ray

The Chairman
Professional
Joined
Apr 17, 2009
Messages
43,132
Likes
23,834
It's not about names of Gods only but the way it's words gets pronounced in other languages.

As I said before it's not easy to spell and pronounce the words in other language specially a language like English.If someone starts calling my name in accented American English then it doesn't mean it is right as it gets twisted.Also my South Indian friend adds up "a" in my name but it doesn't mean it's right since it gets twisted.
Jesus is Isu in most Indian languages.

Is is Yeshua in Hebrew.

It is also Joshua or Jeshua.

Language Name/variant
Afrikaans Jesus
Albanian Jezusi
Arabic `Isà عيسى (Islamic) / Yasū`(a) يسوع (Christian)
Aragonese Chesús
Azerbaijani Ä°sa
Bengali যীশু
Bosnian Isus
Breton Jezuz
Catalan Jesús
Chinese 耶稣 (Simplified), 耶穌 (Traditional) – Yesu (Mandarin), Yasu (Cantonese)
Cornish Yesu
Croatian Isus
Czech Ježíš
Dutch Jezus
Estonian Jeesus
Filipino Hesus/Hesukristo
Finnish Jeesus
French Jésus
Galician Xesús
Greek Ιησούς (Iisoús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole Jezi
Hawaiian Jesu
Hebrew Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
Hmong Daw Yexus
Hungarian Jézus
Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish Íosa
Italian Gesù
Japanese イエス (Iesu)
Kazakh Иса (Isa)
Korean 예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish ÃŽsa
Latvian JÄ“zus
Ligurian Gesû
Limburgish Zjezus
Lithuanian JÄ—zus
Lombard Gesü
मराठी-Marathi येशू - Yeshu
Malayalam ഈശോ - Eesho, യേശു - Yeshu
Mirandese Jasus
Maltese Ġesù
Neapolitan Gèsù
Norman Jésus
Occitan Jèsus
Piedmontese Gesù
Polish Jezus
Portuguese Jesus
Romanian Isus
Russian Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian Gesùs
Serbian Исус (Isus)
Sicilian Gesù
Scottish Gaelic ÃŒosa
Slovak Ježiš
Slovenian Jezus
Spanish Jesús
Tajik Исо (Iso)
Tamil இயேசு - Yesu
Telugu Yesu
Thai เยซู - "Yesu"
Turkish Ä°sa
Turkmen Isa
Ukrainian Ісус (Isus)
Uzbek Iso
Venetian Jesu
Vietnamese Giêsu
Welsh Iesu
Zulu uJesu
Sinhala ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - -jeesus wahanse

How does that change the entity?

Which is correct?
 

rock127

Maulana Rockullah
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
10,569
Likes
25,230
Country flag
Jesus is Isu in most Indian languages.

Is is Yeshua in Hebrew.

It is also Joshua or Jeshua.

Language Name/variant
Afrikaans Jesus
Albanian Jezusi
Arabic `Isà عيسى (Islamic) / Yasū`(a) يسوع (Christian)
Aragonese Chesús
Azerbaijani Ä°sa
Bengali যীশু
Bosnian Isus
Breton Jezuz
Catalan Jesús
Chinese 耶稣 (Simplified), 耶穌 (Traditional) – Yesu (Mandarin), Yasu (Cantonese)
Cornish Yesu
Croatian Isus
Czech Ježíš
Dutch Jezus
Estonian Jeesus
Filipino Hesus/Hesukristo
Finnish Jeesus
French Jésus
Galician Xesús
Greek Ιησούς (Iisoús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole Jezi
Hawaiian Jesu
Hebrew Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
Hmong Daw Yexus
Hungarian Jézus
Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish Íosa
Italian Gesù
Japanese イエス (Iesu)
Kazakh Иса (Isa)
Korean 예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish ÃŽsa
Latvian JÄ“zus
Ligurian Gesû
Limburgish Zjezus
Lithuanian JÄ—zus
Lombard Gesü
मराठी-Marathi येशू - Yeshu
Malayalam ഈശോ - Eesho, യേശു - Yeshu
Mirandese Jasus
Maltese Ġesù
Neapolitan Gèsù
Norman Jésus
Occitan Jèsus
Piedmontese Gesù
Polish Jezus
Portuguese Jesus
Romanian Isus
Russian Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian Gesùs
Serbian Исус (Isus)
Sicilian Gesù
Scottish Gaelic ÃŒosa
Slovak Ježiš
Slovenian Jezus
Spanish Jesús
Tajik Исо (Iso)
Tamil இயேசு - Yesu
Telugu Yesu
Thai เยซู - "Yesu"
Turkish Ä°sa
Turkmen Isa
Ukrainian Ісус (Isus)
Uzbek Iso
Venetian Jesu
Vietnamese Giêsu
Welsh Iesu
Zulu uJesu
Sinhala ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - -jeesus wahanse

How does that change the entity?

Is that correct.
The one where it originated is the CORRECT ONE.

Period.
 

parijataka

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2011
Messages
4,916
Likes
3,751
Country flag
When my parents moved South from N India, the most hilarious thing for me was classmates enquiring in the morning `did your homeworkaa?`... :)

As kids we siblings took great pleasure in asking my father to pronounce `f`, `m`,'n`,`orange`, etc pronounced `yef`, `yum`,`yun` and `worange` respectively !
 

Yusuf

GUARDIAN
Super Mod
Joined
Mar 24, 2009
Messages
24,324
Likes
11,757
Country flag
South Indian languages are generally closer to Sanskrit than Hindi-Urdu, which is heavily Persianized.

The South Indian convention of the vowel ending on words follows the original Sanskrit convention.
So then Rama is right and not Ram if we consider Sanskrit?
 

rock127

Maulana Rockullah
Senior Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
10,569
Likes
25,230
Country flag
South Indian languages are generally closer to Sanskrit than Hindi-Urdu, which is heavily Persianized.

The South Indian convention of the vowel ending on words follows the original Sanskrit convention.
And where did "Sanskrit" originate? And why it's not "Sanskrita"? :hmm:
 

Simple_Guy

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 2, 2013
Messages
938
Likes
578
Let me add some more.

SRI is written and pronunced SHRI
SIMHA (Lion) is written and pronounced SINGH, except Gujarat where it is SINH.
 

Simple_Guy

Regular Member
Joined
Jun 2, 2013
Messages
938
Likes
578
Why are there two different words for the elephant?

Gaj and Hasti (Hathi)
 

Ray

The Chairman
Professional
Joined
Apr 17, 2009
Messages
43,132
Likes
23,834
Ever wondered what is the difference betwen a Geet and a Gazal or a Tagma and a Tirana?
 

Latest Replies

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top