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[Bornubus]

Battle of Dholpur

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Battle of Dholpur
Part of Rajput-Afghan wars
Rana Sanga Leader of the Rajput Confederation
Date 1519
Location Dholpur, India
Result Decisive Rajput Victory
Territorial
changes boundaries of Sanga's military influence came to extend within striking distance of Agra. Chanderi bestowed to Medini Rai.[1]
Belligerents
Rajput Confederates Lodi dynasty
Commanders and leaders
Rana Sanga
Rao Viram deva Merta
Rawal Uday Singh Wagari
Manik Chand Chauhan
Chandrabhan Chauhan
Ratan Singh Chundawat
Raj Rana Ajja
Rao Ramdas
Gokaldas Parmar
Rawal Udai Singh
Medini Rai Ibrahim Lodi
Hussain Khan zar Baksh
Khan Khanan Farmuli
Mian Maruf
Mian Makhan
Said Khan Furat
Haji Khan
Daulat Khan
Allahdad khan
Yusuf Khan
Strength
15,000-20,000 Rajputs[2] 30,000 horsemen
unknown number of infantry[3]
Ibrahim Lodi was smarting under his defeat at Battle of Khatoli. To avenge it, he made great preparations and moved against Rana Sanga. in hot action fought near Dholpur, the Rajputs, as in the earlier action, made a furious charge. under its momentum, The Lodi army scattered like dead leaves caught in a gale. Ibrahim Lodi was once again humbled and Rana Sanga had captured most of present-day Rajasthan.[4]

Battle[edit]
When the Sultan's army reached the Maharana's territory the Maharana advanced with his Rajputs. As the two armies came in sight of each other near Dholpur,[5] Mian Makhan made dispositions for the battle. Said Khan Furat and Haji Khan were placed on the right; and Daulat Khan, Allahdad khan and Yusuf Khan commanded the center. The Sultans army was fully prepared to give the Maharana a warm reception. The Rajputs, with their accustomed valour, advanced and fell on the Sultans army, and in a short time put the enemy to flight. "Many brave and worthy men were made martyrs and the others were scattered". The Rajputs pushed the Sultans army up to Bayana.[6][7]

Hussain Khan taunted his fellow nobles from Delhi: "It is a hundred pities that 30,000 horsemen should have been defeated by so few Hindus."[8]

Aftermath[edit]
By this victory all that part of Malwa which had been usurped by Muhammad Shah (Sahib Khan), younger brother of Sultan Mahmud Khilji II of Mandu, during his rebellion against his brother, and had subsequently been taken possession of by Sultan Sikander Lodi, father of Sultan Ibrahim Lodi, now fell into the hands of the Maharana. Chanderi was one of the many places which fell into the hands of the Maharana,[9] who bestowed it on Medini Rai.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dholpur

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Not me but Purushottama (Porus) was believed to be a 7ft tall with huge physique and chandravamshi kshatriya.

Wasn't he a Brahmin .......................

 

[Bornubus]

Wasn't he a Brahmin .......................

Few of the sources i have read claim him to be Chandravanshi Kshtriya. Katoch Rajputs claim him from their Clan.


But i am not sure.

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Few of the sources i have read claim him to be Chandravanshi Kshtriya. Katoch Rajputs claim him from their Clan.


But i am not sure.

Didn't Porus Defeat alexander .................

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

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[Bornubus]

What is scroll.in background can you tell me

It's a satire on Libtards

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[Bornubus]

Didn't Porus Defeat alexander .................

The Opposite is true.

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[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

The Opposite is true.

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Aah Magar Himmat Se Toh Lada..............

 

[Bornubus]

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[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Islam and have titles like Shaikh

The Brahmins who converted does not have titles like shaikh they are not in many number only who are are either hussaini brahmins which are less and muslims with surname like bhat and wani
for example that asshole burhan wani an dmost of them are in kashmir

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

The Opposite is true.

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No brother he defeated alexander
see this

• Alexander came to River Jhelum - His next target was the Paurava kingdom ruled by King Porus (No mention of the Paurava Kingdom in the Pakistani text books off course, they prefer to call him the King of Multan for ‘strategic’ purposes).
• With an awesome insight into battle craft - Alexander ordered his Macedonian-Greek army to cross Jhelum during high floods - thereby surprising the armies of King Porus.
• In the ensuing battle, King Porus was defeated - He was brought in front of Alexander, when the famous dialogue took place: Alexander: How do you want me to treat you boss? | Porus: Just as a king will treat another king dude. || Alexander by now impressed by his skills and attitude gave the kingdom back to King Porus and even helped him capture more lands.
• While all this was happening, Alexander was injured/poisoned and decided to abandon his conquest and return to Greece where he died soon.

The only problem with this account is that it is all but false.

This history was written 300 years after the death of Alexander by the Greeks and Romans and was passed on to the European intelligentsia who helped inflate the myth of Alexander the Great.

It is now well documented that King Porus defeated Alexander in the Battle of Hydaspes.

During his speech at the IMA in Dehradun, In 1957, famous historian Marshal Gregory Zhukov was quoted saying, “Alexander’s actions after the Battle of Hydaspes suggest, he had suffered an outright defeat - and in fact his defeat was greater than that of Napoleon in Russia”[1].

According to Modern historians like R C Majumdar[2], Alexander faced resistance in Kunar, Swat, Buner and Peshawar valleys where the Aspasioi and Assakenoi, known in Hindu texts as Ashvayana and Ashvakayana, stopped his advance.

In the battle with the Paurava Army, Alexander first lost his much loved horse, then his general and then was challenged by Porus himself for a duel during which he fell down from his stead, only to be saved by his bodyguards.

The battle was eventually lost by the Macedonian/Greek army and lead to the decision of Alexander returning to his capital.

The Macedonian/Greek army men were so disenchanted, that some decided to break ranks and settle in the areas nearby[3].

While returning, Alexander and his demoralised army faced many attacks from the local armies. While in Multan, defending against the Malavs, Alexander’s brass breast plate was pierced by an arrow from a fighter which injured his ribs and eventually lead to his death at the age of 33 in Babylon in Modern day Iraq[4].

To cut this short - The people of Northern-Indian Plains (Punjab) resisted the great army of Alexander and successfully halted his so far unchecked advance resulting in the end of his campaign and life.

Whats sad about the whole episode from our point of view is the unverified parroting of the events as told by the european historians by the pakistani and the Indian counterparts.

No less importantly, Alexander’s ‘victory’ has been used as evidence of European superiority over Indians even in ancient times. This soon led to the claim that all Indian achievements from astronomy and mathematics to Sanskrit drama and epic poetry must have been borrowed from the Greeks. (like: Ramayana was a copy of the Iliad!) It is commonplace among Western Indologists to claim that all Indian science and mathematics were borrowed from the Greeks after Alexander.

But things are gradually changing.

Have a look at this news story published on 9th February 2013 in Times of India.

You can read the complete story on this link.

Reproducing the extract from the write up by RAKESH KRISHNAN SIMHApublished in Russia and India Report, dated, 27 May 2013.

In May 326 BCE, the European and Paurava armies faced each other across the banks of the Jhelum. By all accounts it was an awe-inspiring spectacle. The 34,000 Macedonian infantry and 7000 Greek cavalry were bolstered by the Indian king Ambhi, who was Porus’s rival. Ambhi was the ruler of the neighbouring kingdom of Taxila and had offered to help Alexander on condition he would be given Porus’s kingdom.

Facing this tumultuous force led by the genius of Alexander was the Paurava army of 20,000 infantry, 2000 cavalry and 200 war elephants. Being a comparatively small kingdom by Indian standards, Paurava couldn’t have maintained such a large standing army, so it’s likely many of its defenders were hastily armed civilians. Also, the Greeks habitually exaggerated enemy strength.

The battle was savagely fought. As the volleys of heavy arrows from the long Indian bows scythed into the enemy’s formations, the first wave of war elephants waded into the Macedonian phalanx that was bristling with 17-feet long sarissas. Some of the animals got impaled in the process. Then a second wave of these mighty beasts rushed into the gap created by the first, either trampling the Macedonian soldiers or grabbing them by their trunks and presenting them up for the mounted Indian soldiers to cut or spear them. It was a nightmarish scenario for the invaders. As the terrified Macedonians pushed back, the Indian infantry charged into the gap.

In the first charge, by the Indians, Porus’s brother Amar killed Alexander’s favourite horse Bucephalus, forcing Alexander to dismount. This was a big deal. In battles outside India the elite Macedonian bodyguards had not allowed a single enemy soldier to deliver so much as a scratch on their king's body, let alone slay his mount. Yet in this battle Indian troops not only broke into Alexander’s inner cordon, they also killed Nicaea, one of his leading commanders.

According to the Roman historian Marcus Justinus, Porus challenged Alexander, who charged him on horseback. In the ensuing duel, Alexander fell off his horse and was at the mercy of the Indian king’s spear. But Porus dithered for a second and Alexander’s bodyguards rushed in to save their king.

The Greek historian says after the battle with the Pauravas, the badly bruised and rattled Macedonians panicked when they received information further from Punjab lay places “where the inhabitants were skilled in agriculture, where there were elephants in yet greater abundance and men were superior in stature and courage”.

Indeed, on the other side of the Ganges was the mighty kingdom of Magadh, ruled by the wily Nandas, who commanded one of the most powerful and largest standing armies in the world. According to Plutarch, the courage of the Macedonians evaporated when they came to know the Nandas “were awaiting them with 200,000 infantry, 80,000 cavalry, 8000 war chariots and 6000 fighting elephants”. Undoubtedly, Alexander’s army would have walked into a slaughterhouse.

Hundreds of kilometres from the Indian heartland, Alexander ordered a retreat to great jubilation among his soldiers.

The celebrations were premature. On its way south towards the sea, Alexander's army was constantly harried by Indian partisans, republics and kingdoms.

In a campaign at Sangala in Punjab, the Indian attack was so ferocious it completely destroyed the Greek cavalry, forcing Alexander to attack on foot. In the next battle, against the Malavs of Multan, he was felled by an Indian warrior whose arrow pierced the Macedonian’s breastplate and ribs.

Says Military History magazine: “Although there was more fighting, Alexander’s wound put an end to any more personal exploits. Lung tissue never fully recovers, and the thick scarring in its place made every breath cut like a knife.”

Alexander never recovered and died in Babylon (modern Iraq) at the age of 33.

Footnotes

[1] Marshal Zhukov on Alexander’s failed India invasion

[2] King Porus’ defeat of Alexander at the Battle of the Hydaspes (Jhelum) – N.S. Rajaram

[3] Alexander's Lost Army : The Brokpa Community of Ladakh | Probashi

[4] Why The Greeks Never Came Back To India

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[Pushyamitra]

A small Khanzada community of Rajasthan has a tradition of military service and they are are hardcore Patriots. Many of them won gallantry medals in various Indo - Pak war. I personally know few Khanzada families servings in Army who were my neighbors in Army quarter.


But culturally they ceased to be taken as Rajput.



PS - They still have Hindu names such as Ranjit Khan

Maybe we shpuld again give them Kashtriya statu if they convert to hinduims agin

 

[Bornubus]

Bhandari Ram Vc with his Father. Ex Dogra Regt/ Baloch regt

 

[Bornubus]

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[Razor]

The Opposite is true.

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If one believes Western propanda.
It is similar to the so called 300 movie, exept in this(Alexsandr) case it (propaganda) is more subtle.

PS: Just barging into the thread, as I saw it on latest replies.

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

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So the dogras defeated the Qing and Tibetan dynasty impressive Even Gurkhas ( though heavily outnumbered ) and Sikhs couldn't do that (Sino -Sikh war ended in stalemate)
But my Question is were they fighting as a sovereign nation or a British puppet?

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

So the dogras defeated the Qing and Tibetan dynasty impressive Even Gurkhas ( though heavily outnumbered ) and Sikhs couldn't do that (Sino -Sikh war ended in stalemate)
But my Question is were they fighting as a sovereign nation or a British puppet?

Never Mind The Dogras were Allied With Sikhs

 

[F-14B]

@Bornubus take a look at this

 

[Bornubus]

Dogras posted in Siachen. At the end of the video the CO is saying " Goli yahan (Sene) par khani he "

 

[Bornubus]

Progression of Dogra rule in J&K state which was 2nd biggest princely state. Most of these Khannates/ Kingdoms were conquered by Dogra Armies under Gen Jorawar Singh