Raising the Indian Marines

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  1. Adux

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    The Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS)

    This is a very important thread for us, it seems India is being serious about it.
     
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    This is US Marine Force Combat Structure

     
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    A Marine air-ground task force (MAGTF) that is constructed around an infantry battalion reinforced, a helicopter squadron reinforced, and a task-organized combat service support element.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Love to see Indian Marines / Indian Naval Infantry to protecting Andaman And Nicobar and other places..

    To me it should be under Navy not as a separate branch..
     
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    Agreed, Since our mid-term and short term operations will be in the IOR, we might not need the full combat capability of the similar US Force. Anyways, since they are good model to study, This is their ESG

     
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    Kilos are good enough for such force, Also we need gun boats presently Indian navy use Kora class corvette as a fire-support unit along the beach..

    Navy and IA are both locked in for long time on this project, They know what to do and we shall enjoy our wish come true..
     
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    Kilo's cant do it unfortunately in this kunal. They cant run that fast and that long underwater as the Nukes, Their range and speed doesnt permit them.

    91st brigade either should be taken into the Navy(not possible) or rather Navy raise their own Infantry
     
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    America has 7 such units, each comprising of 2200 Marines
     
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    I can agree with on this, But even in near future we dont have the luxury of big nuclear sub fleet..
     
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    We should have atleast have 10-12 Nuke subs in the IN. 4 SSBNs and 7-8 SSNs. It would give us the triad of nuclear deterence and help in forming naval battle groups.
     
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    If the the news of the second sub is true, that means we can expect Arihant class to reach 4 or 5 by the end of the decade. We already know that there are 3 sanctioned, and hulls fabricated for it. But Arihant Class is SSBN, and should have no business being near a Expeditionary Task Force. We need a dedicated SSN's for our own ESF's and 3 Carrier Battle Group, and they should be two separate entities
     
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    This is extremely important, the sheer integration and C4I of US is mind boggling
     
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    India have a Stronger force in the bay of Bengal and Arabian sea..

    Lets assume as per today..

    INS Virat
    INS Jalaswa
    INS Aravat
    INS Delhi and Kolkata
    INS kora class x 2
    INS Talwar class X 1
    Fleet Tanker X 1


    Submerged Vessels:
    4x Kilo class

    Airborne Assets:
    4 X ASW Aircraft ( IL-38/TU-142ME )
    1X AWACS
    1X Refuler

    We don't have it now..

    In Near Future we may use Single Akula leased from RN..
     
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    Kunal,

    We dont have to look into what we have today, Since this is a force which is being planned to be built up, Therefore you can expect the toys to come. Though a good start.

    We need LHA/LHD , LPD , LSD , LCAC, Helicopters, Fighters, Tanks, Infantry, Gunships, DDGs, SSN, Medivac. Lets talk about what we can add to this in the next 5-10 year period. This is a Force build up not a Force rearmamanet. Lets look at concepts as well as equipment which has some chance of being in the Indian Navy in the next 5-10 years, also lets also try to figure out where and in what battlespace these assets will be used? Are we looking at Karachi or Shangh hai? Or are we looking at Karachi, Maladives, Fiji, Bangladesh etc etc.
     
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    Navy Ordered Six LPDs, Hence these LPD will support rotatory operation including Gunships and transport also main invasion force..

    As Carrier we will have Vikramaditya and Viraat till 2020..

    DDGs will be Kolkata also act as Fleet air-defense, Fast Vessels like talwar class frigates act as ASW with Kora class corvettes..

    SSN will be single Akula also Kilo in case its in Bay of Bengal or Arabian and P8I and IL-76AWACS will be our eyes and ear in air..

    Fleet tanker will be anyone out of three probably newer one..

    CAP will be done by both ground based also carrier based with help of Air refuler from main land..




    Our Interest is mainly on Arabian sea and Bay of Bengal..

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    Kunal Navy hasnt ordered 6 LPD's, rather 4 if I remember correctly, that too only RFP is send. Viraat will be offline 2018, IAC-1 will be operational 2015, so to Vikramaditya, I expect IAC-2 to be done by 2020.
    ESG and CBG will be two different entities, or do we have assets to have a 3 Carrier fleet and 2 ESG, US has 11 CBG and 11 ESG, Only the SSN's are in doubt,
    Question is, do we center it around two LHA's or is it going to be LHD's?
     
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    PS: Those Chinese refueling stations in Burma, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh, are off no use in war.
     

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