Putin's long-term vision is to build a rival EU

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Given the collapse of the USSR, the emasculation of Russia, the rise of China, and the disenchantment with the US, the initial euphoria to look West, there is confusion amongst countries not in either 'camps'.

    These countries, who are not in any camp, are no push overs. They have the natural resources and markets that requires to engine the economies and continuing clout of the Big Powers that contend to lead the 'world space'.

    As Russia continued to be humbled by the West and the countries that were under Russian influence fell like skittles to the 'warm embrace' of the 'progressive' West, it gave the heejeebejees to Russia as it borders kept losing its 'buffers' and the 'barbarians were at the Gates'.

    Russia struck back like a cat cornered. Georgia was the first and now it has spread to Ukraine, having annexed Crimea.

    Any Nation to survive as a 'leader' in the game of 'conquering the world space' requires to be cognisable.

    Russia is crawling back.

    The EUA is the beginning, along with the expansion of the SCO, where it can exercise influence along with China.

    Russia has realised that the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, lies not in the West, but in the East and South.

    Africa will be Russia's next stop?

    One has to just notice the abundance of natural resources of Asia and Africa to realise that these are the magic wands that fuels the ascendancy to Power.

    US is helping none, including itself, by acting as the linchpin in destabilising the world with its Wolfowitz Dcotrine pursued in a hamhanded and crude way with its regime change mantra.

    Who will win?
     
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    Putin's wet dream. That article is grand on assumptions and short on facts.

    Right now only KAzakhstan and Belarus are in the Customs union. Neither these countries have any economic significance. And of these 2 members it seems that only Kazakhstan is formly on Russian side as Belarus is already publicly expressing hesitation on closer relations with Russia. So even Belarus' membership is tenuous.

    As for the rest of Russia's neighbors? Well they all want EU membership, and if possible NATO... :rofl:

    BTW, I really have serious issues with Russia's claim to "buffer/security states" that a lot of members here just accept as Russia's legal right. What is the concept of this buffer/security states? So the people in those states are supposed to be sacrificed first before Russian citizens in case Europe suddenly becomes crazy and start invading Russia?
     
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    Rome was not built in one day, or was it?

    Buffer states are important so that contending powers are kept far and they do not clash to make the world an unsafe for all.

    Buffer is a nation/ people/ thing that reduces a shock or that forms a barrier between incompatible or antagonistic nation' people or things.
     
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    With how is Russia is acting in Ukraine even Kazakhstan that has a sizable ethnic Russian population is starting to get jittery.


    We're no longer in the middle ages that you can just scare countries into submitting to your wishes.


    Such a lofty description for human shields...
     
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    Imagination!


    It indicates how little you understand about geostrategy.

    Shield is a shield. Or else why have bullet proof vests? One has to understand the benefit and not waffle.
     
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    Benefit for Russia eh? No doubt setting up the Ukrainians as shields or buffer as you might call it from imagined European invasions or aggression so that Russians will be relatively safe in Russia (that's according to Russian calculus) is some form of benefit. I must say that's a cruel kind of benefit for the Russians.

    How about Ukraine? Aside from hedging against Russia's overbearing attitude in the neighborhood, Ukraine's intention of joining the EU is for economic reasons. Whichever you look at it Ukraine has a better future with the EU than with Russia.

    Anyway, it really confounds me that you (some) people here who are very sensitive about India's right to decide for itself in international affairs does not seem to understand that Ukraine is entitled to the same right as a country. Somehow, the emotional connection with Russia and the hate for America has clouded an otherwise rational mind from some of people here. All trace of reason and humanity seem to vanish when Russia is involved. But when it is America, the same people is quick draw on their favorite English word, "hypocrisy."
     
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    Leaving aside geo political whatever, the Russia economy is smaller than several EU member states. It's a bit of a stretch to imagine the Eurasian union can be a legitimate rival to the EU. They could be a competitor, or more accurately, a pest.

    Also Russia's economy is based on the export of primary products. It doesn't need anything from BRICS countries and for exporting it products it can acheive far greater profit selling to more developed nations i.e. the EU.

    Trading Russian oil products for, say, African bananas, mangoes and coffee might be a mutually beneficial, good economic deal. But, it's not going to lead to world hegemony.
     
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    It does not take a Phd in economics from London Business School to know that Russia even with Kazakhstan and Belarus cannot compare to EU. Their combined economies do not even surpass that of Germany and embattled Spain. They do not produce of anything significant to the World market other than oil and gas. More importantly they have to prospects of growth beyond their original number. Everybody in the Russian neighborhood want to run to the EU for long term economic security.
     
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    Some people borrow money, drive around in a Ferrari, and when the gravy train stops, steal and rob.

    You sound like a Harvard graduate - totally clueless.
     
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    The degeneration of the discussion in this forum...
     
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    Just explained.

    Of course, it's you. Always alert, ready to hit the reply button immediately, like a server port listener, without actually reading what you are responding to.

    Do re-read the entire post. C'mon, make an effort.
     
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    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    Um, this is your entire post representing your reply to my Post #8:

    With only 8 words to it and a non-sensical thought, I can even read it even with my eyes closed...
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    The post below is not my entire post. It only contains what you chose to ignore from the entire post.

     
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    Read my signature then you will get the gist of the psyche
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Weird. Your signature is not visible to me. Can you see it?
     
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    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    That was your reply to the other guy's post. You're reply to my post was an ad hominem.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I was not talking about my reply to your post. I was talking about my "entire post."

    What part of "entire post" do you need help understanding?

    Once again, totally clueless.
     
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    @pmaitra

    Okay, why do you think I was clueless in saying that Russia's Customs Union has no similarities and has no hope of matching the EU? How can Russia attract other countries in Eastern Europe other than Kazakhstan and Belarus to join its Customs Union? Who do you think are these countries that can join this Custom's Union?
     
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    No. I think you are clueless, because you said this:

    Right before I quoted you, I responded to another person. Yes, I am talking about the "entire post." Read my response to the other person. Both the quotes, and my reponses are related and in the same context, just to clarify.
     
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    Is this your reply?

    Pardon my French but it is rubbish. If that's your reply then this is my reply to you:

     

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