Putin Approves Sale of S-400 to China

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  1. t_co

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    Putin Approves Sale of S-400 to China | The Diplomat

     
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    So the HQ 9 and the advanced HQ 9A is basically shit.
     
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    Why so? When both Russia and India are one step ahead.

    India's current system is S-300PMU-2 equivalent, the PDV will bring it to S-400 level. The radars we use are better than what the S-400 has.

    When China is taking delivery of the S-400, we will be taking delivery of the S-500 equivalent AD-1 and AD-2 based BMD system.

    It is very similar to Russia selling the Su-35 to China while we are working on FGFA. One step ahead. This also helps us keep tabs on Chinese developments. We will get an idea of their capabilities.
     
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    Problem is we don't build as quick.
     
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    Time is Critical , Isolated Russia bribing china with S-400 obliviously trying to get more Asian support against Holy war waged by US and Pets Company.
     
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    Why I get notifications from people on ignore list :yawn:
     
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    Don't bother. That kid suffers from selective myopia but at least he got first prize at the local Amerik boot lickers competition.
     
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    It is natural that now Russia will move towards China at least for the short and medium terms.
    And India needs to continuing working on the relations with Russia and other partners to maintain stability in the region.
     
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    This just like the Su-35 deal, it is a Russian advertise strategy. It is a good strategy for India or Vietnam to order it.

    Btw, Even S-300PMU-2 have lost to HQ-9 at Turkey at first round. but It still have things worth us to learn from S-300PMU-3(S-400) .

    It is always good to see how other people make things done.
     
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    Which Indian SAM network is Comparable to S 300 PMU 2 ...? I don't find we Operating something like this

    But The Chinese Have HQ 9 Variant of PMU 2 Operating in mass Numbers ..
     
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    And now they shall shortly "reveal" their latest SAM HQ-10. Thank you very much.
     
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    Why?
    Do you think HQ-9 is a copy of S-300-pmu -2?
     
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    How so?

    What's the PDV?

    Which radars?

    Really? I wasn't aware of any vendor delivery to that timeframe.

    But why is Russia offering China these weapons systems without any indication of interest from the Chinese side?
     
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    We all know HQ-9 is "chinese".
     
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    The Indian BMD's current standards exceeds PMU2. We are deploying it this year.
     
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    Both countries are currently developing S-500 equivalent systems. While I do not know the scale of the S-500, there is something known about the next gen BMD we are building here, the Russians are aiming for something similar, that is stopping warheads coming in at 5Km/s.

    PDV is just an upgraded PAD. We don't know the status of the program yet.

    There is one known radar and one or two unknowns radars. One is Swordfish that was upgraded from Greenpine, another is a Thales FCR. All modern AESAs.

    Deployment date for AD-1 and AD-2 is 2016/17. Roughly the same time as S-500 deployment. Naturally, approval for the Chinese S-400 came in recently, so by the time a contract is negotiated and settled, our next gen systems will be deployed.

    The buyer is mum about this. Your country doesn't make weapons purchases public until it is in serial production or taking deliveries.
     
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    Are you saying that India will get “S-500" around 2016/17?

    1. S-500 is nowhere but your dream.
    2. Russian will have not enough S-400 ,even for Russian army by 2016/2017.
    3. Further more, what is "India's current system"? Is that system better than HQ-9?

    FYI

    "In February 2011 a second unit of S-400 missile systems was deployed at Dubrovki, north of Moscow. The 210th Air Defence Regiment consists of two battalions, each consisting of eight launch points, each with four missiles.In February 2011, it was also announced that the missile system will be deployed in southern Kuril Islands "to protect Russia's sovereignty in the Far East".

    The Baltic Fleet in Kaliningrad received S-400 SAM systems in February 2012 and these went into operational status in April 2012.One S-400 division is deployed on combat duty in the Russian far east city Nakhodka.

    As of 2012, one system (in Electrostal) was operational, with three more S-400 battalions being deployed. All 56 battalions will be delivered by 2020.Russia is also setting up two regiments of S-400 in Eastern Military district.[38]

    As of September 2013, the Russian Army has five S-400 regiments: two in Moscow, one in the Pacific fleet, one in the Baltic Fleet, and one in the Southern Military District. Beginning in 2014, the army will receive two to three sets of regimental units of S-400 systems every year.Another S-400 regiment will be put on combat duty around Moscow by the end of 2013. Russia plans to have 28 S-400 regiments by 2020, each comprising two or three battalions with four systems each, mainly in maritime and border areas."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-400_(SAM)
     
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