Project-17A

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  1. Crusader53

    Crusader53 Regular Member

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    I've heard very little about India's forthcoming P-17A Stealth Frigates. How is the program progressing and how will they compare with types such as the French/Italian FREMM Class Frigates and the UK Type-26? (for example)
     
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  3. SATISH

    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    Even the steel cutting has not started....so no idea what it is going to be like.
     
  4. Payeng

    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    Media might say it is at par or better then French, Italian ships or even worlds best in its class, anyways it will be a development in Indian war Shipbuilding industries, wrt previous models. A learning curve.
     
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    Oh, man I was looking forward to more information? They haven't release drawing and the major weapon systems yet???
     
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    CCNS finally kickstarts Indian Navy’s Project 17A

    It is estimated that the first Project 17A FFG will be launched five years (within 60 months, or by 2017) after its keel-laying ceremony (to be held in the latter half of next year), followed by the remaining six FFGs being delivered every successive year through to 2023. The CCNS decision is likely to result in the Project 17 FFG’s design being modified to accommodate new-generation weapon systems like the Barak-2 MR-SAM/EL/M-2248 MF-STAR combination instead of the Cashmere area air defence system (comprising the 24 rounds of 40km-range 9M317M Shtil-1 MR-SAMs, 3S-90 missile launcher, four MR-90 Orekh target illuminators, and the Salyut FSUE-built E-band MR-760 Fregat M2EM 3-D radar); plus BrahMos vertically-launched supersonic multi-role cruise missiles instead of the eight Novator-built 3M54E Klub-N supersonic 220km-range anti-ship cruise missiles. The crew complement will likely be reduced from the existing 257 (including 35 officers) to about 150 by introducing high levels of automation, which will translate into a savings of around 20 per cent in operational costs and higher operational availability of the warships.

    The Project 17A FFG’s superstructure will also make extensive use of composites similar to what’s now being done on board the four Project 28 Kamorta-class ASW corvettes now under fabrication by GRSE. The decision to fast-track the project 17A FFG construction programme comes close on the heels of a major upgrade

    CCNS finally kickstarts Indian Navy’s Project 17A
     
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    if it starts from 2014 then first ship would be launced from 2019
     
  8. Payeng

    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    Do we have a model of that freezed P17A design?
     
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    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    It'll look like this.

    Looks like what it is. A further evolution of the Shivalik Class.

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    Final nod soon for NavyÂ’s advanced stealth frigate - Indian Express
     
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    Final nod soon for Navy’s advanced stealth frigate | idrw.org

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    India’s largest ever indigenous defence contract is shortly expected to get final approval with the Navy freezing the design and specifications for the P 17 A stealth warships and completing all commercial negotiations for the project.

    Top Navy designers who have been working on the project have confirmed that the project is expected to get final clearances from the Cabinet Committee of Security (CCS) shortly after which construction of seven modern warships will commence at shipyards in Kolkata and Mumbai.

    The mega project, that was expected to be worth Rs 45,000 crore when it was cleared by the Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC) in 2009, is billed as a game changer for the Indian ship-building industry not only for being the most expensive Indian warship yet but also because it will give shipyards the critical technology of modular construction that enables a rapid production rate.

    The Navy’s top ship designer, the Director General of Naval Design Rear Admiral A K Saxena, said Friday the P 17 A class frigates would be in the 6,700-ton category and would have the latest in stealth features, including fully concealed weapon systems and sensors.

    “The warships will have the latest stealth features as well as advanced indigenous weapon systems. The modular construction methodology that GRSE (Kolkata) and MDL (Mumbai) have acquired will ensure the warships will be built in a reduced time-frame,” a senior Navy officer said. While GRSE will construct three ships, four will be constructed by MDL.

    The new generation warships, which will be based on the P 17 ‘Shivalik’ class that has already been inducted but will be larger at 149 metre with a draught of 5.3 metre, are currently running behind schedule by at least two years.

    As per the original plan approved by the Defence Ministry in 2009, the shipyards were to commence production by 2011 after the two shipyards had absorbed modular construction technology. The last of the seven frigates were to be inducted by 2021.

    The frigates are expected to be equipped with the latest version of the Brahmos missile, possibly the hypersonic variant if developed on time.
     
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    The Project 17A frigates will be more advanced and stealthier than the P17 Shivalik class warships currently being inducted into the Navy.

    The stealth features will include
    Missile silos flush with the deck
    Torpedo launchers blending along the sides of the vessel.
    Concealed hangar for a Kamov helicopter.

    P 17 ships are based on the Project 11356 (Talwar / Krivak IV class) ships being acquired from Russia, and were designed jointly by the Naval Design Bureau (NDB) and Russia's Severnoye Project Design Bureau (Severnoye Proyektno-Konstruktorskoye Bjuro - SPKB), the designers of the N11356 frigate.

    Project 17 class ships were manufactured exclusively by MDL. By involving GRSE in the construction of P 17A ships, the DAC hopes to speed up construction of the seven warships as well as create the infrastructure at both the dockyard for modular building of large warships.

    The new frigates will be 'longer, broader, faster and stealthier'' than the three 6,100-ton Shivalik-class frigates.

    "The new frigates will also have the 290-km BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, apart from other advanced weapons and sensors, for a greater offensive punch in all the three dimensions (air, surface and underwater),'' a source told the TOI in July 2012.
     
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    2014. Has production started?

    Will the new ships have 16 or 8 Brahmos? What about LACM?

    Barak-8 ER/MRSAM will be installed.
    What about point defence? Barak-1 or Maitri? With CIWS.
     
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    Govt approves construction of 7 stealth frigates


    : In a major step towards building a formidable blue-water Navy for the future, the Modi government has cleared the indigenous construction of seven stealth frigates and six nuclear-powered attack submarines, which together will cost well upwards of Rs 1 lakh crore.

    The Cabinet committee on security (CCS) took these decisions in tune with the "critical necessity" for India to bolster its "overall deterrence capability" in the entire Indian Ocean Region (IOR), especially its primary area of strategic interest stretching from the Persian Gulf to Malacca Strait.

    Under the over Rs 50,000 crore 'Project-17A' for stealth frigates, four will be constructed at Mazagon Docks in Mumbai and three in Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers in Kolkata. "The contract will be inked with MDL and GRSE this month itself, with an initial payment of Rs 4,000 crore," said a source.

    Both the defence shipyards are already geared up for the project because it's a "follow-on" to the three 6,100-tonne stealth frigates built by MDL, INS Shivalik, INS Satpura and INS Sahyadari, which were inducted in 2010-2012.

    The new multi-mission frigates will be larger, faster and stealthier than the Shivaliks as well as packed with more weapons and sensors to operate in "a multi-threat environment". But it could well take a decade, if not more, to build all the seven frigates.

    Govt approves construction of 7 stealth frigates, 6 nuclear-powered submarines - The Times of India
     
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    PM Modi Clears $8 Billion Plan For Warships to Counter China: Report

    Another news to confirm it.
     
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    We have a very pragmatic outsourcing policy: Rear Admiral (Retd) RK Shrawat | The Financial Express

    ""MDL is in the fray to build seven warships under Navy Project 17A. what is the time line and cost for this?

    We have recently signed the contract for building seven ships, three of which will be built at GRSE Kolkata. The construction of the first vessel will commence in early 2017, after a preparatory period of 24 months. We will be fully leveraging our modernised infrastructure and would be resorting to the integrated construction (IC) methodology as practised by advanced shipbuilding nations for building these vessels. Specialised know-how will also be procured from an international shipyard to aid the shipyards for adopting and customising the IC methodology. The ships will be built in 60-66 months. The cost would be about R6,400 crore per vessel."""
     
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  17. Bheeshma

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    If the vessels cost $ 1 billion each lets cancel the deal and order more talwars.
     
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    Dont worry, Prices will baloon upto 1.5 to 2 Bil$ with delays :p
    But are you seriously comparing Project 17A to Talwars? Thats beyond comparision. And i bet a Talwar today would cost almost 1 Bil$ as well. it costed almost 400mil$ each for the first 3, way back in 1997 when the contract was signed.
     
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  20. Bheeshma

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    The P-15A only cost < 750 mil there is no way the P-17a will or should cost anywhere near 1 billion.
     
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    Project 15B costs 1.2Bil$ each. Both Project 15B and Project 17A are much more advanced than Kolkata Class.

    And I was right, Russia is asking for 1 Bil$ for each Talwar Class Frigate.

    India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class frigates | Russia & India Report

    We can get 6000 -8000 tons of some of the most advanced Warships at just over 1 Bil$ each ,if designed and constructed in India. Where as Russia is asking the same amount for a 4000 tons less advanced Warship.
     
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