Procurement of Transport Aircraft by IAF

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Procurement of Transport Aircraft by IAF » Indian Defence Review
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The Indian Ministry of Defence has cleared a proposal worth over Rs 12,000 crore for the procurement of 56 transport aircraft for the Indian Air Force. Thenew aircraft would replace its fleet of vintage Avro HS748 planes acquired in thesixties from the UK. Procurement of the first batch of 16 aircraft through a global tender would be off-the-shelf from foreign vendor who would need to partner with a local private or public sector firm for the manufacture in India of the rest and more. The next batch of 16 would have a 30 per cent indigenous content, while the component of locally-procured and produced items in the remaining 24 planes would be 60 per cent. The government-owned aerospace major Hindustan Aeronautics Limited is not to be involved in the project asit is already burdened with the production of the SU-30MKI upgrades of the Mirage, MiG 29 and Jaguar aircraft.
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[marshal panda]

Without a full fledged military aircraft production base,our strategic autonomy is severely compromised already .With the amount we are spending,others should be glad to set shop in India.But that never happens.A country can not aspire to be a global power with aircrafts purchased from outside.

 

[Blackwater]

24- IL-76

24 C-17

100 C-130 is need

to tackle pak-china

 

[JBH22]

24- IL-76

24 C-17

100 C-130 is need

to tackle pak-china

I would rather go with the Antonov planes for the tactical airlift part, modernise the IL-76

 

[noob101]

Without a full fledged military aircraft production base,our strategic autonomy is severely compromised already .With the amount we are spending,others should be glad to set shop in India.But that never happens.A country can not aspire to be a global power with aircrafts purchased from outside.

Very true as long as an Indian company has no market share in the passenger airline business im afraid that we will never get the numbers of tactical/strategic transport aircraft that we need.... buying them from the US to costly and Russia is way too unreliable....

 

[sasi]

Indian company has no market share in the passenger airline business im afraid that we will never get the numbers of tactical/strategic transport aircraft that

Little more explaination pls !

 

[cloud_9]

Isn't this the C-295 vs C-27J vs??? Tender

 

[noob101]

Little more explaination pls !

here is what I mean... There is no way that HAL alone is meeting the requirements of the IAF this is historically true, if we have at least one private company producing large passenger aircraft for airlines then IAF wont have to rely solely on HAL for aircraft design... If there is one type of military air craft that private passenger companies can easily design it would be transport aircraft

But the Important thing is manufacture... Even if lets say HAL comes out with a tactical transport aircraft design that the IAF likes, getting production facilities set up would make it really costly... if there were proper facilities in the private sector then cost would make it feasable

 

[cloud_9]

here is what I mean... There is no way that HAL alone is meeting the requirements of the IAF this is historically true, if we have at least one private company producing large passenger aircraft for airlines then IAF wont have to rely solely on HAL for aircraft design... If there is one type of military air craft that private passenger companies can easily design it would be transport aircraft

But the Important thing is manufacture... Even if lets say HAL comes out with a tactical transport aircraft design that the IAF likes, getting production facilities set up would make it really costly... if there were proper facilities in the private sector then cost would make it feasable

OEMs Hit Roadblocks in Indian Transport Tender ​

A requirement for a military transport to replace 56 HS.748 twin turboprops operated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) is raising procedural problems for potential bidders. India released a Request for Information last December inviting OEMs to bid only if they could find private Indian partners. But candidate Indian companies are reluctant to commit to the project. The Airbus Military C-295 and the Alenia C-27J are the most likely contenders.

The few Indian manufacturers capable of involvement say they need a commitment for at least 200 aircraft from the Ministry of Defense. "We need a business case before we invest money in the project," one of them told AIN. Indian companies that are believed to have shown interest include the Tata Group, Larsen & Toubro and Reliance Industries.

Government-owned Hindustan Aeronautics is set to co-produce the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) in a joint venture with the Russians. The MTA is in the 20-ton class, whereas the IAF's 748 replacement would be smaller, around 10 tons. Unlike the 748 but like the MTA, however, it would have a rear ramp and short-field capability. The tight production schedule requires delivery of the first aircraft within two years of contract signing, followed by another 14 within 24 months.

"It is unlikely the Russians will participate [in the 748 replacement], because if the IAF wanted them, it would have ordered more Antonov An-32s. Since Ukraine stopped manufacture, there are few global buyers"¦.There is also doubt that any private company in India wants to get involved with the Russian government," said a defense official. India is currently upgrading 105 An-32s with improved avionics.

Giuseppe Giordo, CEO of Alenia Aeronautica, estimates that demand for military transports in India will reach 100 aircraft in the future. The Indian requirement "opens possibilities for us to work with Indian partners" to meet needs in southeast Asia and Australia, he told AIN last year. The C-27J has since been chosen by the Royal Australian Air Force. "With an Indian collaboration, we will do some engineering activities in Italy and some in India," Giordo continued.

 

[JBH22]

it doesn't fit with the AN-32 category because its heavy but I would like to see this plane An-70.

Strategic Lifter C-17
Medium Transporter AN-70 or IL-76
Light Transporter C-130 (although i do not like more of US hardware in armed forces)

 

[sasi]

OEMs Hit Roadblocks in Indian Transport Tender ​

A requirement for a military transport to replace 56 HS.748 twin turboprops operated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) is raising procedural problems for potential bidders. India released a Request for Information last December inviting OEMs to bid only if they could find private Indian partners. But candidate Indian companies are reluctant to commit to the project. The Airbus Military C-295 and the Alenia C-27J are the most likely contenders.

The few Indian manufacturers capable of involvement say they need a commitment for at least 200 aircraft from the Ministry of Defense. "We need a business case before we invest money in the project," one of them told AIN. Indian companies that are believed to have shown interest include the Tata Group, Larsen & Toubro and Reliance Industries.

Government-owned Hindustan Aeronautics is set to co-produce the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) in a joint venture with the Russians. The MTA is in the 20-ton class, whereas the IAF's 748 replacement would be smaller, around 10 tons. Unlike the 748 but like the MTA, however, it would have a rear ramp and short-field capability. The tight production schedule requires delivery of the first aircraft within two years of contract signing, followed by another 14 within 24 months.

"It is unlikely the Russians will participate [in the 748 replacement], because if the IAF wanted them, it would have ordered more Antonov An-32s. Since Ukraine stopped manufacture, there are few global buyers"¦.There is also doubt that any private company in India wants to get involved with the Russian government," said a defense official. India is currently upgrading 105 An-32s with improved avionics.

Giuseppe Giordo, CEO of Alenia Aeronautica, estimates that demand for military transports in India will reach 100 aircraft in the future. The Indian requirement "opens possibilities for us to work with Indian partners" to meet needs in southeast Asia and Australia, he told AIN last year. The C-27J has since been chosen by the Royal Australian Air Force. "With an Indian collaboration, we will do some engineering activities in Italy and some in India," Giordo continued.

They are expecting telecome type of deal. Interested in easy and quick business only. Why they don't think of civilan aircraft side also. Once they get to know-how they can design civilan jets. Work opportunity to join with hal and foreign aero indus. Then can expand to big aircrafts.
It is not after 56 aircrafts, we shut down them.

 

[Defcon 1]

I have a question. What exactly is this aircraft used to carry? Wiki says its payload is just above 5000kg, which means 2 dhruv helis can carry as much weight as this plane and they don't even need an airstrip for it. So this means that this plane is being used to carry some equipment which weighs in the range of 2600-5000kg. Does anybody know what it is?

 

[cloud_9]

I have a question. What exactly is this aircraft used to carry?

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[Kunal Biswas]

C-27J Spartans.

Same engines and Avionics as C-130J, In logistic sense its a logical choice..

 

[Blackwater]

it doesn't fit with the AN-32 category because its heavy but I would like to see this plane An-70.

Strategic Lifter C-17
Medium Transporter AN-70 or IL-76
Light Transporter C-130 (although i do not like more of US hardware in armed forces)

I prefer these than Anotov 70, keeping in mind spares, maintainence ,cost of running,TOT and western relation

 

[cloud_9]

C-27J Spartans.

Same engines and Avionics as C-130J, In logistic sense its a logical choice..

I think the price and operational cost are the biggest issues with C-27J.But the diversity in fleet is also a problem

 

[Ray]

Avro HS748 does not meet our current requirement whether in the haulage capability or in troop carrying or even paratrooping.

What is our strategic haulage in personnel and load?

What is our tactical haulage in personnel and load?

And what are the distances involved and air to air fuelling facilities?

That should indicate the aircraft we require.