Pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir’s diminishing :: Pak Media

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    http://www.defencenews.in/article/Pro-pakistani-sentiment-in-kashmir’s-diminishing-Pak-Media-2660

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    There is a mixed response from Jammu and Kashmir on February 5. Some say that Kashmir Day is of “great significance” whereas others believe that the observance has been reduced to mere ritual and that Pakistan’s official stance over Kashmir appears to be “wavering”.


    Is pro-Pakistan sentiment in still Kashmir alive and kicking?

    In the past, Kashmiris in their wills have requested their children and grandchildren to hoist the Pakistani flag on their graves once the region merges with Pakistan, but is the pro-Pakistan sentiment so deep in today’s Kashmir?

    Some observers say that in a suppressed environment like the one that prevails in Kashmir, wherein democratic spaces for expression and dissent stand choked, it is a difficult question to answer.

    Ajazul Haque, one of Kashmir’s leading columnists, is of the view that “February 5 symbolises Pakistan’s deep-rooted relationship with Kashmir. Every year, this day revives the cultural, religious and the geographical proximity the valley enjoys with Pakistan.”

    “The pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir is neither dead nor diminished, it’s suppressed and the reasons are rooted in the conditions we are going through since the 1990.”

    “Moreover, the worsening situation in Pakistan is creating a bad feeling among Kashmiris and that is perhaps one of the reasons people don’t display their pro-Pakistan emotions as openly and plainly as they used to,” Haque says in a response via e-mail.

    However, many in Kashmir continue to express their love for Pakistan overtly through various symbolic gestures like cheering for the Pakistani cricket team, waving or hoisting the Pakistan’s national flag, setting Pakistan’s national anthem as the ring tone on their mobile phones, and attending funerals of militants of Pakistani descent in colossal numbers.

    Khurram Parvez, programme coordinator at Jammu and Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society, insists that one must make a distinction between the Pakistani state and its people.

    “February 5 is a day when the people of Pakistan and Kashmiri diaspora organise various programmes in schools, colleges, universities and even mosques to make Kashmir visible internationally. On this day, the Pakistani missions also spread awareness about Kashmir. It is an opportunity for people to engage with Kashmir,” Parvez says.

    He feels that Pakistan’s policy vis-à-vis Kashmir has been “problematic” and says there is no dearth of people in Kashmir feeling frustrated over what he calls Islamabad’s “inconsistent Kashmir policy”.

    Bashir Manzar, Editor-in-chief of Srinagar based English daily Kashmir Images, feels Kashmir Solidarity Day is “ritualistic” and meant only to address Pakistan’s domestic constituency.

    “Honestly speaking, I don’t attach much importance to this ritualistic day. It may be good for the successive Pakistani governments domestically, but Pakistan’s state policy on Kashmir has been as inconsistent as India’s,” Manzar says.

    He says Pakistani officials say one thing on one occasion and something else on another. “There are times when they [Pakistani officials] swear by the UN resolutions on Kashmir and then say that these very resolutions have become obsolete. Afterwards, they talk about the four-point formula,” he says.

    Anuradha Bhasin, Executive Editor of Jammu based Kashmir Times, in tune with Manzar’s views says that Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir is necessitated by the country’s internal political demands.

    “Pakistan maintains that it lends moral, diplomatic and political support to the struggle of Kashmiris. However, of late, the people in Kashmir have become suspicious of Pakistan’s state policy. Also, Kashmir Day has been reduced to mere symbolism,” Bhasin says.

    “At one point in time there was much enthusiasm in the Kashmir valley regarding Pakistan. I am curious to know how things pan out when the sentiment and politics appear to be changing in today’s Kashmir,” she says.

    The state government in Jammu and Kashmir seldom allows the resistance leadership to hold public rallies but whenever that happens, pro-Pakistan slogans like ‘jeeve jeeve Pakistan’ (long live Pakistan) can also be heard alongside the dominant slogan ‘Hum Kya Chahate, Azaadi’ (we want freedom).

    “Even in our suppressed environment, many youths in Kashmir openly showcase their love for Pakistan at the cost of paying heavily for their expression,” Parvez says.

    “This expression of love for Pakistan does not necessarily indicate that they are in favour of Kashmir’s merger with Pakistan,” he says, adding that for many Kashmiris, a visit to Pakistan is no less than an “emotional pilgrimage”.

    So why do Kashmiris exhibit their love for Pakistan despite knowing its serious ramifications?

    “Well, it is perhaps the deep anger against the Indian state and deep-rooted alienation with India’s treatment of Kashmir,” opines Ms Bhasin.

    According to Dr Showkat Hussain, the pro-Pakistan sentiment has always been there in Kashmir, as the “sentiment for secession” remains the dominant one.

    But there are some voices who see things a little differently.

    Zafar Choudhary, commentator and political analyst based in Jammu, says that over the last many years “jihadi elements like ‘Lashkar-i-Taiba’ [LT] have hijacked the Kashmir Solidarity Day” in Pakistan.

    “Earlier, the people and the political leadership of Pakistan were involved in observing this day as a mark of support to the struggle of the people of Jammu and Kashmir. Now with changes in Pakistan’s political dynamic with regards to Kashmir, you only get to see some advertisements in newspapers and a national holiday observed on this day,” Choudhary says.

    “Worse, the day [Kashmir Solidarity Day] has been hijacked by the extremist community, which is a difficult proposition for all,” he adds.

    Shabnum, a lecturer by profession, says that pro-Pakistan sentiment among the new generation is on the decline and some of them have even started cheering for the Indian cricket team. She says several among the young generation also seem to see their economic future with India without surrendering their aspiration for Kashmir’s independence.

    “I can tell you from my experience of working with young students. They think a little differently. They have a strong sentiment for ‘Azaadi’ but they do not support Pakistan or Kashmir’s merger with Pakistan, given the nature and magnitude of violence that is being perpetrated in that country on a daily basis,” she argues.

    However, Mr Manzar begs to disagree. According to him, the pro-Pakistan constituency in Kashmir has become stronger than before.

    “Nowadays, the youths in Kashmir think globally. Some are attracted to global Islamisation as well. I can tell you with a sense of responsibility that the pro-Pakistan constituency in Kashmir has strengthened.”

    In the absence of any empirical study, it is very difficult to assess whether the pro-Pakistan sentiment has weakened or enhanced, or whether it is dead or diminished in this region and there are voices in support of arguments either way.


    History of Kashmir Day ::

    According to Srinagar-based international law expert Dr Sheikh Showkat Hussain, Kashmir Day has been observed historically right from 1932, after being first proposed by the then Kashmir Committee.

    “In the 1930s, the day was observed to express camaraderie with the Kashmiris’ struggle against the autocratic Dogra ruler Maharaja Hari Singh. In present day context, Kashmir Day is being celebrated to show solidarity with the struggle of Kashmiris against India,” Sheikh Showkat says.

    “Basically, it [Kashmir Day] started from undivided Punjab and it has been celebrated ever since, with pauses in between. This day will continue to hold importance until the Kashmiris achieve their objective of right to self-determination,” he says.

    The day was revived in the 1970s when in 1975 Kashmir’s then tallest political figure Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah agreed to become Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir after an accord was signed on behalf of Sheikh Abdullah by Mirza Mohammad Afzal Beg and on behalf of the Indian government, headed by Indira Gandhi, by G Parthasarathy in New Delhi.

    Following the infamous Sheikh-Indira accord of Feb 1975, Kashmiris had then observed a complete strike on the call of Pakistan’s then Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to protest against the agreement.

    Historically, such has been Pakistan’s influence on Kashmir’s political landscape.

    In 1990, Pakistan’s late Jamaat-i-Islami leader Qazi Hussain Ahmed had proposed that February 5 be observed as Kashmir Solidarity Day in Pakistan.

    Gowhar Geelani is a journalist, who has served as Editor at Deutsche Welle (Voice of Germany) in Bonn, Germany.
     
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    Pro-Pakistan sentiment would soon be replaced by Pro-ISIS sentiment as it is becoming more appealing to ideologically disoriented youth with little else to do. Kashmiryat is speed but Jihad is cocaine.
     
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    This is not an option but compulsion and military boots will enforce the Constitution in any case.
     
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    Simply, if we take sense and experience. At least pro paki sentiment has diminished to much greater extent. There used to be too much fanatics who waved paki flags everywhere, tried to put antenna to get $hity channels like PTV.
    :tsk:
    Meanwhile, in young Kashmir, hate for India is rapidly diminishing. If not very low, it is much better as compared to past. Here's the case of ISIS, it is not only threat in Kashmir but everywhere in India wherever is a large Muslim population.
    :dude:
    Kashmir will never go to pakis.Wait for few more decades. Pakis have also understood this and putting Kashmir issue against India very lightly (not sure if came under pressure of India's Influence).
    :biggrin2:
    We don't need PoK as their population is completely brainwashed who could again start era of spewing $hit against India.
    :mad2:
    Let Kashmir be more peaceful and tolerant in some time and then, declare LoC as international border.
    :)
    We can think of annexing PoK or building Akhand Bharat much later.
    Anyway, concept of Akhand Bharat will be useless. As gap between India and paki-BDs will become equal to US-Mexico gap by then. :D
     
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    It makes no difference to me whether Kashmir remains 'free' or under Indian or Pakistani rule, the concept of geographic nation state is irrelevant. The last remaining Hindus were chased out by Jihadis in 80s-90s, the region turned 'non-Indian' as far as I am concerned. The remaining Abrahamics can hack each other to death or live 'peacefully', it doesn't matter.
     
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    Love for Pak is diminishing but it doesn't mean that they are becoming pro India,Musalman in the valley will keep on hating India particularly the Army.Now separatists are most interested in a autonomous region comprise of both IOK and POK.

    While Shias of Laddakh and Kargil and Gujjar/Bakkarwal have always been pro India.

    Every funeral of a terrorist in the valley has been attended by thousands which itself is a sign how much anti India they are.
     
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    Bro, this too be collapsed.
    About hundreds of idiots in KashKashmir used to wave porky flag now, much lesser cases are there.
    Similarly, now hundreds (not thousands, may be some time) attend funerals. Kashmiri students study in different parts of India and started now even joining Army.
    This will also be neutralizneutralized very soon.
    We must just try to not to let state get detached. Stability will come with time.
     
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    Numbers supporting IS wouldn't be more than the numbers supporting LeT. Look how we crushed them in the 90s. I wouldn't be worried about them as long as the rashtriya rifles are there and doval is shooting IS agents down like flies in India.
     
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    What's the point if we 'crushed' LeT, Kahmiri Hindus were forced to flee anyway. That's a victory for Jihadis. The only relevant course is to settle Hindus in Kashmir valley in large number. No matter if these Hindus are of Kashmiri origin or not. Screw Kashmiryat and all it's supporters. Unless Hindus develop an appetite for reconquest, they are done.
     
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    Most people here believe that residing in India and owning passport, citizenship, ration, adhar card etc makes some one Indian. Not civilizational values and ethos.
     
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    The extreme hatred for everything Indian can only be experienced while visiting Kashmir. Sri Nagar is the worst.

    The only place where most disinterested folks learn to respect army after seeing their commendable work.
     
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    Liberals from upscale societies who are totally immersed in Westernisms are not very different.
     
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    yeah they are increasing in rest of India.. :mad2:
     
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    What advantage do we get be declaring LOC as border that we already don't have? The status quo will remain same practically as far as terror is considered, but we will lose the legal claim to POK forever. The international border is already permanent and has that stopped Pakistan from infiltrating from there? Stop following the enemy's script. The problem exists not because of the border but because of the enemy beyond the border. Even if you normalize LOC legally, the infiltration wont stop so why do it anyway? It amounts to formally giving away our claim on POK. This sets a dangerous precedent. Once Pakistan understands that India gives away land in exchange for border agreement, it will start invading from all sides and even start an insurgency inside India.
     
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    Article 370 needs to be scraped immediately. It has long been overdue.
     
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    If the report is true, then it has some thing to do with BJP government in the valley.
    But that is not the case here. Muslims there are waiting for the time to strike at correct time, as the winds are not in their favour for now.

    Kashmir is not safe for hindus. Lets not get fooled by these fake reports. Pak media can shove them some where their general arse.
     
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    BJP is not doing enough. Their government in J&K is going down. Support too. They need to get a strong hold there and scrap article 370 from center. Monitor and control people who buy land / property there. Make sure almost all of them are hindus / sikhs / buddhists. Mast induction of other religious population is very much necessary in muslim majoriy areas in India.
     
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    What are you talking about?
    Muslims don't sell land to others.
    How can you insert Hindu populations by buying land which is never sold to you in first place?
     
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    I don't think that "ALL" the land in kashmir is already bought by muslims. There must be a lot of government or unclaimed land left. e.g. Where did Modi find the land to re-settle pandits there? These lands can be claimed by center and then sold out accordingly.
     
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    Also, given that most kashmiris are not that well to do; the government can give them a little extra money to buy off their land.
     

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