Prince Rurik's real ancestry

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    Yes, and the toughest of them all was prince Rurik. Finnish Viking who founded Russia. Thats why Russians still respect finns.

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    Re: 50 per cent of Britons are GERMAN

    @Peter : I think it was known for a while, that Brits were mostly upper Germany, Lower Scandinavia region.
    Even the names are similar, you know: Smith-Schmidt, Miller-Muller, Brown-Braun, the sex in middlesex, essex, wessex and what not, from saxony, the word english from angles and so on.
    But wow to think 50% of brits are Germans, I thought there would be higher percentage of celts.
     
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    Except Rurik the viking (or Varangian, as the Slavs called him) was almost certainly a swede, not finnish descent. You should read the history and stop propagating false info.

    He fought the finnish-ugric tribes and the slavs of the region (NW of Present day Russia) and was defeated by these tribes (hardly makes him the toughest viking :lol: )

    Later the slavs and the finnish-ugric tribes started fighting among themselves and Rurik (along with his brothers) were invited back by these tribes to establish peace and order. And thus began the Rurikid dynasty.

    Later the Finnish-ugric tribes and the varangian (i.e. viking) family of swedish stock were both assimilated into Slavic culture.

    Maybe that's why the German term Finlandization came into being. Finlandization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    May I ask you why you continue to present history carefully doctored to suit your narrative?

    Prince Rurik was a Varangian prince of the Rus nation.

    The picture you posted is from Novgorod, one of the three pillars of Russia. The two others being Kievskaya Rus and Rus Khaganate. His successor, Oleg of Novgorod founded Kievskaya Rus, which is roughly Ukraine today.
     
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    Everybody in Russia knows that Rurik was the son of a Finnish king. It was even taught in schools until Finland became grand duchy, then they stopped teaching it. Also Catherine the Great knew it, being a relative herself.
     
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    I said that Russians respect us. Did red Army parade in Helsinki? Did they raise the flag over Finnish parliament house? Many times Russians have said me that Finns beat them.
     
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    Prince Rurik was a Viking. A Varangian is another word for Viking.

    The Vikings/Varangians did not come from Finland. They came from what is Sweden and Denmark today.

    The Vikings/Varangians came and settled in what is Finland today. The Finnic tribes were forced to pay tribute to the Vikings/Varangians.

    Therefore, the Vikings/Varangians are not Finnish, and hence that term "Finnish Varangian" (that you used) means nothing, unless you can prove that Prince Rurik descended, at least partly, from the Finnic tribes.
     
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    @Razor, good piece of information.

    Yes, it is true that there were frequent quarrels, and at times one side would win a battle, and at times, another side would. Overall, however, the Vikings did manage to establish a major polity (still much smaller than what is Russia today), and that is only after being assimilated with the Slavonic and Uralic tribes.
     
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    That is false information. Probably propagated because they didn't want to think that Russia was established by n assimilated Slav of Swedish stock.
    I thought it was well known that Rurik (Roderik) was of Swedish descent, apparently not very well known in Finland.

    That is also false information.
    Wow. The level of ignorance. Wow.
     
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    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/rurikid/default.aspx?section=yresults

    https://sites.google.com/site/archoevidence/varangian-dna
     
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    Thank you.

    The second link you provided actually proves @Razor and me right. It also proves that Prince Rurik did not descend from the Finnic tribes.

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    It is called "equality over excellence." :lol:
     
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    With your locig pmaitra is an american LOL
     
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    No, that is your logic.

    Just because the Varangians arrived in and lived in that lands the belonged to the Finnic tribes, does not make the Varangians Finnish. Similarly, just because I live in the US, does not make me a Cherokee or Navajo, but yes, I do believe the the Native Americans and Indians have a common ancestor, but that is a debate best left to another thread.
     
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    Re: 50 per cent of Britons are GERMAN

    You said he was a finnish (king). Wrong.
    Everything about him is Scandinavian, not Finnish. Even his name Rurik is Germanic Roderik.
    Point is: he isn't finnish.
     
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    You guys are great! Digestive this for few days, then we can talk more.
     
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    Great argument point. Splendid.

    Meanwhile did you read my post #32 ?
     

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