President Trump Now Denies Calling Haiti, African Nations 'Shithole Countries'

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President Donald Trump on Friday denied labeling Haiti, El Salvador and African nations “shithole countries” during an Oval Office meeting with senators on immigration, despite accounts of three people briefed on the conversation.

“The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used,” Trump said in a Twitter posting on Friday morning, using an acronym for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, a program protecting some individuals who immigrated to the U.S. as children from deportation.

Trump made the apparent denial despite the fact that the White House didn’t dispute the quotations after they were widely reported on Thursday. Asked about the account, White House spokesman Raj Shah said “certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people.” The White House didn’t immediately respond Friday to a request for comment about whether Trump was specifically denying using the term “shithole countries.”

Trump’s remarks prompted criticisms from around the world, including some of those countries named. The African Union said it was “frankly alarmed” by the comments, according to the Associated Press. An opposition lawmaker in Ghana called upon developing nations to boycott the U.S. until Trump leaves office. The United Nations human rights office in Geneva called the remarks “shocking, shameful,” Agence France Presse reported in a tweet.

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He's right, Sub Saharan Africa is basically a collection of shithole countries. South Africa was okay, but it is slowly going the way of Zimbabwe in recent years with the rise of leftists there. North Africa is mostly Islamic countries.

If Africans have such an issue, they should bugger off and stop begging the US for money and immigration to there.
 

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He's right, Sub Saharan Africa is basically a collection of shithole countries. South Africa was okay, but it is slowly going the way of Zimbabwe in recent years with the rise of leftists there. North Africa is mostly Islamic countries.

If Africans have such an issue, they should bugger off and stop begging the US for money and immigration to there.
How would you react if a foreigner was calling your country a shithole ? That is very undiplomatic. Next time it can be an Asian country .

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President Donald Trump on Friday denied labeling Haiti, El Salvador and African nations “shithole countries” during an Oval Office meeting with senators on immigration, despite accounts of three people briefed on the conversation.

“The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used,” Trump said in a Twitter posting on Friday morning, using an acronym for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, a program protecting some individuals who immigrated to the U.S. as children from deportation.

Trump made the apparent denial despite the fact that the White House didn’t dispute the quotations after they were widely reported on Thursday. Asked about the account, White House spokesman Raj Shah said “certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people.” The White House didn’t immediately respond Friday to a request for comment about whether Trump was specifically denying using the term “shithole countries.”

Trump’s remarks prompted criticisms from around the world, including some of those countries named. The African Union said it was “frankly alarmed” by the comments, according to the Associated Press. An opposition lawmaker in Ghana called upon developing nations to boycott the U.S. until Trump leaves office. The United Nations human rights office in Geneva called the remarks “shocking, shameful,” Agence France Presse reported in a tweet.

http://fortune.com/2018/01/12/trump-hait-africa-shithole-countries-denial/
Is there any video proof of that? Or is it another of media propaganda of Arabs
 

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How would you react if a foreigner was calling your country a shithole ? That is very undiplomatic. Next time it can be an Asian country .

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I wouldn't mind at all. I've met people in and out of India that call it a shithole. Garbage countries are garbage countries. Let them whinge to someone who cares.

Undiplomatic doesn't matter to me. It also doesn't matter to the people who voted for Trump. If the Africans are so mad, tell them to quit sending their people to the US and tell them to stop begging for US money. Beggars don't need over-inflated egos. The US doesn't need African immigrants or the good feelings of those countries.

What's even more funny, is that the Africans who move to the US, vote for the same policies that made Africa garbage in the first place, ie left wing policies.
 
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I wouldn't mind at all. I've met people in and out of India that call it a shithole. Garbage countries are garbage countries. Let them whinge to someone who cares.

Undiplomatic doesn't matter to me. It also doesn't matter to the people who voted for Trump. If the Africans are so mad, tell them to quit sending their people to the US and tell them to stop begging for US money. Beggars don't need over-inflated egos. The US doesn't need African immigrants or the good feelings of those countries.
US dollar is universal currency and hence USA is able to handle massive trade deficit. Otherwise, USA aould have collapsed. Don't overestimate US power
 

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US dollar is universal currency and hence USA is able to handle massive trade deficit. Otherwise, USA aould have collapsed. Don't overestimate US power
The US has a trade deficit with basically every country, as it is the largest economy and among the leaders in per capita GDP. The trade deficit only means that it buys more goods from other countries than it sells to them. This is true of every developed country. Poor countries sell goods to rich countries, as it is cheaper for poor countries to make those goods and the rich countries to buy them, then for rich countries to make them themselves. The rich countries don't need poor countries, it is only a luxury for them to buy from them.

The country with the power in the relationship is the one with the trade deficit.

It's wrong to think the US economy would collapse if the dollar wasn't reserve currency. Our and China's economies are far closer to collapsing than the US's economy. The dollar being reserve currency only helps the US maintain more liquidity. It doesn't make them dependent on it for keeping their economy from collapsing.

Either way, none of that refutes what I said in the post you quoted. The US does not need African countries, African immigrants, or African countries's warm feelings toward them. Beggars don't need egos.
 

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The US has a trade deficit with basically every country, as it is the largest economy and among the leaders in per capita GDP. The trade deficit only means that it buys more goods from other countries than it sells to them. This is true of every developed country. Poor countries sell goods to rich countries, as it is cheaper for poor countries to make those goods and the rich countries to buy them, then for rich countries to make them themselves. The rich countries don't need poor countries, it is only a luxury for them to buy from them.

The country with the power in the relationship is the one with the trade deficit.

It's wrong to think the US economy would collapse if the dollar wasn't reserve currency. Our and China's economies are far closer to collapsing than the US's economy. The dollar being reserve currency only helps the US maintain more liquidity. It doesn't make them dependent on it for keeping their economy from collapsing.

Either way, none of that refutes what I said in the post you quoted. The US does not need African countries, African immigrants, or African countries's warm feelings toward them. Beggars don't need egos.
USA consumes 20 million barrels of oil a day of which 11 million barrels is imported. What will happen if countries stop exporting to USA? WHy should any country export goods to USA for their paper currency dollars? Trade is done in return for resources, not paper. With the rise of China, USA manufacturing has paled in comparison. USA has now limited use as food producers and microchip production. Else it is going down badly.

Poor countries are countries with trade deficit. Rich countries are those who have trade surplus. I a not speaking of raw material sale but total trade. That is the definition of being rich. CHinese economy is extremely strong as it has become indispensable to the world
 

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USA consumes 20 million barrels of oil a day of which 11 million barrels is imported. What will happen if countries stop exporting to USA? WHy should any country export goods to USA for their paper currency dollars? Trade is done in return for resources, not paper. With the rise of China, USA manufacturing has paled in comparison. USA has now limited use as food producers and microchip production. Else it is going down badly.

Poor countries are countries with trade deficit. Rich countries are those who have trade surplus. I a not speaking of raw material sale but total trade. That is the definition of being rich. CHinese economy is extremely strong as it has become indispensable to the world
The US imports oil, but that oil is from the Middle East, not Africa, so that is moot. Trump hasn't insulted the US's relevant Middle Eastern partners, only Africa. Even if the Middle East stops selling oil to the US, the US also has shale and other oil reserves that they can exploit, which they haven't thus far because of environmental protections. Those can easily be removed. The US also hasn't invested very much in nuclear, solar, or other renewables. These are all ways that the US doesn't need as much Middle East oil.

If countries stop exporting to the US, they don't get US money. Trade is about resources, but the resource that the US gives is its dollar. The dollar has value regardless of it being the default reserve currency globally or not. This is not an exclusively US thing. When UK buys things from other countries, it is GBP for a X resource, with India it is INR for Y resource. The economy isn't a bartering system where for example Saudi Arabia gives Sri Lanka oil and Sri Lanka gives Saudi Arabia fish.

What do you think these countries are exporting to the US that it can't produce itself?

The US is a net food exporter.

The US manufacturing is in decline because the dollar is strong and the cost of production is high. They buy cheaper goods from other countries instead of making them themselves. Who do you think China sells its good to? Even still, the US has a larger manufacturing output than the EU, Japan, or China.

If those countries suddenly stopped selling things to the US, the US could make those same things in their own country. Do you really think China is providing some irreplaceable service to the US by making clothes in sweat shops?

The US is a service sector economy, like most developed nations. Manufacturing is what poorer countries do in the modern economy before they transition to middle/high income countries and themselves become service sector economies. The process is Agrarian --> Manufacturing --> Service sector economy.

Again, If manufacturing is the measure of a strong economy, then the US is still the number 1 economy. See here http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Industry/Manufacturing-output

All this China hype is premature. The Chinese have the #1 or #2 economy in the world based on sheer size, but per capita China is still a lower middle/middle income country. No one is dependent on Chinese manufacturing. Any cheap product you can make in China, one can make in India, Vietnam, or a host of other countries. The Chinese are some magical people who are sole holders of the great knowledge of making plastic toys and clothes. They aren't high end manufacturers, they are literally the world's sweatshop ie cheap labor.

If you really want to do US vs China, then the US can declare the Chinese a currency manipulator at the WTO or even individually at the country level, which the Chinese clearly are. That is enough to cripple the Chinese economy for a decade.

Again, all this is moot. The topic is Trump insulting Africa. You are bringing Middle East, China, etc into this. Trump has not said anything about either of those places. He has insulted Africa. They are beggars who don't need to have over-inflated egos. They need to get over themselves, or stop sending immigrants to the US and begging for US hand-outs.
 

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The left also thinks the same, except they don't say it outright but show it by extreme condescension to these countries and appointing themselves as self-proclaimed saviors of poor countries.
 

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The US imports oil, but that oil is from the Middle East, not Africa, so that is moot. Trump hasn't insulted the US's relevant Middle Eastern partners, only Africa. Even if the Middle East stops selling oil to the US, the US also has shale and other oil reserves that they can exploit, which they haven't thus far because of environmental protections. Those can easily be removed. The US also hasn't invested very much in nuclear, solar, or other renewables. These are all ways that the US doesn't need as much Middle East oil.

If countries stop exporting to the US, they don't get US money. Trade is about resources, but the resource that the US gives is its dollar. The dollar has value regardless of it being the default reserve currency globally or not. This is not an exclusively US thing. When UK buys things from other countries, it is GBP for a X resource, with India it is INR for Y resource. The economy isn't a bartering system where for example Saudi Arabia gives Sri Lanka oil and Sri Lanka gives Saudi Arabia fish.

What do you think these countries are exporting to the US that it can't produce itself?

The US is a net food exporter.

The US manufacturing is in decline because the dollar is strong and the cost of production is high. They buy cheaper goods from other countries instead of making them themselves. Who do you think China sells its good to? Even still, the US has a larger manufacturing output than the EU, Japan, or China.

If those countries suddenly stopped selling things to the US, the US could make those same things in their own country. Do you really think China is providing some irreplaceable service to the US by making clothes in sweat shops?

The US is a service sector economy, like most developed nations. Manufacturing is what poorer countries do in the modern economy before they transition to middle/high income countries and themselves become service sector economies. The process is Agrarian --> Manufacturing --> Service sector economy.

Again, If manufacturing is the measure of a strong economy, then the US is still the number 1 economy. See here http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Industry/Manufacturing-output

All this China hype is premature. The Chinese have the #1 or #2 economy in the world based on sheer size, but per capita China is still a lower middle/middle income country. No one is dependent on Chinese manufacturing. Any cheap product you can make in China, one can make in India, Vietnam, or a host of other countries. The Chinese are some magical people who are sole holders of the great knowledge of making plastic toys and clothes. They aren't high end manufacturers, they are literally the world's sweatshop ie cheap labor.

If you really want to do US vs China, then the US can declare the Chinese a currency manipulator at the WTO or even individually at the country level, which the Chinese clearly are. That is enough to cripple the Chinese economy for a decade.

Again, all this is moot. The topic is Trump insulting Africa. You are bringing Middle East, China, etc into this. Trump has not said anything about either of those places. He has insulted Africa. They are beggars who don't need to have over-inflated egos. They need to get over themselves, or stop sending immigrants to the US and begging for US hand-outs.

China is not just manufacturing hub but also the leading extractor of natural resource. Half of world coal and phophate is extracted by CHina, 25% of Iron is Chinese and so on in lead zinc, tin, tungsten etc. Don't underestimate CHina for just cheap manufacturing.

US dollar is not valuable if everyone stops accepting it. US dollar is accepted as USA made an alliance with Arabs for that. USA promised to Islamise the USSR muslim areas which USSR was "atheising" in return for oil. Oil is not substitutable by any means.

USA primary export is Arms and aircrafts, agriculture and microchip. There are many other countries that can take the place too.

Tell me what is the reason USD must be an asset while Dinar, Rupee isn't? World actually work in an indirect barter system. That is why China is said to have loaned USA 3 trillion dollars. China is holding that much US treasury which is wasteful and serves no purpose. China needs very little from USA whereas lot of countries buy from China. CHina also makes high end goods like machinery, telecom equipment, defence related goods etc and at a much cheaper price due to low consumption levels of Chinese and hence lower demand for salary. In addition, China is willing to sell its natural resource at throw away prices.

USA doesn't have alternative source of energy that can substitute oil. The most important need for oil is transportation which is the lifeline of all production. USA being a big country needs transportation to keep it as 1 unit. Else, it may split apart. Agriculture needs tractors, trucks, fertiliser, pesticide etc from oil. There is a reaosn why oil is sought after so much across the world. If Arabs hadn't agreed to USA dolalr being sole currency, USA wouldn't have been a super power by now.

Russia actually has full self sufficiency and is a net exporter of oil, minerals and arms. Russia has more potential than USA as super power.
 

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I do not disagree with Trump.

Whatever is good is already in Canada/ US. Whatever remains there is not worth considering for immigration to US.
 

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India is also a shithole country I dont think any nationalist would mind it however cant say about high class liberals.
That is why every effort is being made to build toilets in each and every corner of the country.
We know our problems and it is time we fix it.

Oh wait this is not about India.

I agree with Trump, if they are not shitholes then why are the citizens of these countries migrating to USA.
 
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India is also a shithole country I dont think any nationalist would mind it however cant say about high class liberals.
That is why every effort is being made to build toilets in each and every corner of the country.
We know our problems and it is time we fix it.
He did not call that. So why are you imagining things.
 

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China is not just manufacturing hub but also the leading extractor of natural resource. Half of world coal and phophate is extracted by CHina, 25% of Iron is Chinese and so on in lead zinc, tin, tungsten etc. Don't underestimate CHina for just cheap manufacturing.
The US has natural resources.

Here is the reality:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/10-countries-most-natural-resources.asp
2: The United States of America
With about $45 trillion in natural resources, the U.S. is number two on the list. The U.S. has over 31% of the world's coal, but also has large amounts of timber. A total of 89% of the country's natural resources are from coal and timber, but it also has sizable deposits of natural gas, oil, gold and copper.



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The US has the 2nd most natural resources in the world. Ahead of everyone in the world except Russia.

US is a larger manufacturer than China and has more natural resources than China.

US dollar is not valuable if everyone stops accepting it. US dollar is accepted as USA made an alliance with Arabs for that. USA promised to Islamise the USSR muslim areas which USSR was "atheising" in return for oil. Oil is not substitutable by any means.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.

You seem to be talking about the dollar as the default global currency. I'm talking about the value of a dollar. The former doesn't affect the later.

All currency has value, independent of foreign countries. The Euro and Pound are more valuable as currency in terms of exchange rates than the US dollar, and neither of those currencies are the global currency.

Sure if no one accepts the dollar it has no international value, but it has value in the US itself. Also if all these countries in the world refuse to accept the dollar, who are they going to sell these goods to? China?

Trade works both ways. Poor countries aren't doing the US a favor selling them their goods.

USA primary export is Arms and aircrafts, agriculture and microchip. There are many other countries that can take the place too.
I disagree.

A country has to have a certain level of technology to be able to produce Arms and Aircrafts. These aren't cheap products like clothes or toys which China produces. It requires a certain level of technology and engineering skills to produce these.

There is a reason China has yet to produce any significant military hardware which anyone buys, outside of rouge states like Pakistan and North Korea.

There is only the US, Russia, and Israel, and the EU/Japan to a much lower degree that produce very many weapons, ships, etc.

Also on Agriculture, only India can compete with the US in agriculture production, as these are the two countries with the most arable land, but we have the weather advantage over the US.


Tell me what is the reason USD must be an asset while Dinar, Rupee isn't? World actually work in an indirect barter system. That is why China is said to have loaned USA 3 trillion dollars. China is holding that much US treasury which is wasteful and serves no purpose. China needs very little from USA whereas lot of countries buy from China. CHina also makes high end goods like machinery, telecom equipment, defence related goods etc and at a much cheaper price due to low consumption levels of Chinese and hence lower demand for salary. In addition, China is willing to sell its natural resource at throw away prices.
All currency has value independent of the existence of other countries. By your logic the US would be the most valuable currency, but it isn't. Even Pounds and Euros are more valuable.

Check the trade balance. China sells its goods to the US not the other way around. If the US stops buying Chinese goods, who will they sell it to? Russia? Wealthy countries don't need poor countries as much as poorer countries need wealthier ones.

On the other hand, the US can easily buy the same goods that China makes from other countries, even India if Make in India is a success. The US can make everything China makes in their own country or a friendly foreign country like India.

Chinese goods are cheap because they manipulate their currency.

If US companies stop putting factories in China, who exactly is going to manufacture there? Most of the manufacturing in China is from foreign companies from US, Japan using their cheap labor and sweatshops.

The Chinese can't even make a decent product of their own. Which is the Chinese brand that has global recognition? All they do is steal other people's intellectual property and make cheap knock-offs or their cheap labor is used by American or Japanese companies like Apple, Microsoft, Sony, and Toshiba.

Have a look at the list of 20 largest Chinese companies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Chinese_companies

Literally none of them has a global presence/is a global brand name. Most of them are Banks. Some of them aren't even located in China, but are in Hong Kong.


USA doesn't have alternative source of energy that can substitute oil. The most important need for oil is transportation which is the lifeline of all production. USA being a big country needs transportation to keep it as 1 unit. Else, it may split apart. Agriculture needs tractors, trucks, fertiliser, pesticide etc from oil. There is a reaosn why oil is sought after so much across the world. If Arabs hadn't agreed to USA dolalr being sole currency, USA wouldn't have been a super power by now.
Except, the US doesn't even use Middle Eastern oil very much. Check out this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_energy_independence:

In total energy consumption, the U.S. was between 86% and 91% self-sufficient in 2016.[1] In May 2011, the country became a net exporter of refined petroleum products.[2] As of 2014, the United States was the world's third-largest producer of crude oil, after Saudi Arabia and Russia.[3] and second largest exporter of refined products, after Russia.[4]

So the US is 86-91 % energy self-sufficient. That is despite the US not even using nuclear power much. They are not dependent on the Middle East for oil at all.

Not only that, but look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves
The US has the 10th largest oil reserves in the world.

This is false. The US was already a superpower during WWII, in terms of economy. This is before the world even accepted the dollar as global currency and it was also before it ever got involved in the Middle East.

Russia actually has full self sufficiency and is a net exporter of oil, minerals and arms. Russia has more potential than USA as super power.
Sure, it has self sufficiency, but it's economy is smaller than even South Korea's, Canada's, and Brazil's. Do you think those countries are also potential superpowers? Canada has even more oil than Russia.

By comparison, The US economy is almost 18x the size of Russia's.

Not only that, but its population has been declining in the last decade. It is getting older and some years its economy is even contracting. Not the signs of a superpower in my eyes.

Russia is living off of its Soviet Era military tech advantage over other countries. There is no reason that India shouldn't surpass Russia.
 

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The US has natural resources.

Here is the reality:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/10-countries-most-natural-resources.asp
2: The United States of America
With about $45 trillion in natural resources, the U.S. is number two on the list. The U.S. has over 31% of the world's coal, but also has large amounts of timber. A total of 89% of the country's natural resources are from coal and timber, but it also has sizable deposits of natural gas, oil, gold and copper.



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The US has the 2nd most natural resources in the world. Ahead of everyone in the world except Russia.

US is a larger manufacturer than China and has more natural resources than China.



I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.

You seem to be talking about the dollar as the default global currency. I'm talking about the value of a dollar. The former doesn't affect the later.

All currency has value, independent of foreign countries. The Euro and Pound are more valuable as currency in terms of exchange rates than the US dollar, and neither of those currencies are the global currency.

Sure if no one accepts the dollar it has no international value, but it has value in the US itself. Also if all these countries in the world refuse to accept the dollar, who are they going to sell these goods to? China?

Trade works both ways. Poor countries aren't doing the US a favor selling them their goods.



I disagree.

A country has to have a certain level of technology to be able to produce Arms and Aircrafts. These aren't cheap products like clothes or toys which China produces. It requires a certain level of technology and engineering skills to produce these.

There is a reason China has yet to produce any significant military hardware which anyone buys, outside of rouge states like Pakistan and North Korea.

There is only the US, Russia, and Israel, and the EU/Japan to a much lower degree that produce very many weapons, ships, etc.

Also on Agriculture, only India can compete with the US in agriculture production, as these are the two countries with the most arable land, but we have the weather advantage over the US.




All currency has value independent of the existence of other countries. By your logic the US would be the most valuable currency, but it isn't. Even Pounds and Euros are more valuable.

Check the trade balance. China sells its goods to the US not the other way around. If the US stops buying Chinese goods, who will they sell it to? Russia? Wealthy countries don't need poor countries as much as poorer countries need wealthier ones.

On the other hand, the US can easily buy the same goods that China makes from other countries, even India if Make in India is a success. The US can make everything China makes in their own country or a friendly foreign country like India.

Chinese goods are cheap because they manipulate their currency.

If US companies stop putting factories in China, who exactly is going to manufacture there? Most of the manufacturing in China is from foreign companies from US, Japan using their cheap labor and sweatshops.

The Chinese can't even make a decent product of their own. Which is the Chinese brand that has global recognition? All they do is steal other people's intellectual property and make cheap knock-offs or their cheap labor is used by American or Japanese companies like Apple, Microsoft, Sony, and Toshiba.

Have a look at the list of 20 largest Chinese companies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Chinese_companies

Literally none of them has a global presence/is a global brand name. Most of them are Banks. Some of them aren't even located in China, but are in Hong Kong.




Except, the US doesn't even use Middle Eastern oil very much. Check out this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_energy_independence:

In total energy consumption, the U.S. was between 86% and 91% self-sufficient in 2016.[1] In May 2011, the country became a net exporter of refined petroleum products.[2] As of 2014, the United States was the world's third-largest producer of crude oil, after Saudi Arabia and Russia.[3] and second largest exporter of refined products, after Russia.[4]

So the US is 86-91 % energy self-sufficient. That is despite the US not even using nuclear power much. They are not dependent on the Middle East for oil at all.

Not only that, but look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves
The US has the 10th largest oil reserves in the world.

This is false. The US was already a superpower during WWII, in terms of economy. This is before the world even accepted the dollar as global currency and it was also before it ever got involved in the Middle East.



Sure, it has self sufficiency, but it's economy is smaller than even South Korea's, Canada's, and Brazil's. Do you think those countries are also potential superpowers? Canada has even more oil than Russia.

By comparison, The US economy is almost 18x the size of Russia's.

Not only that, but its population has been declining in the last decade. It is getting older and some years its economy is even contracting. Not the signs of a superpower in my eyes.

Russia is living off of its Soviet Era military tech advantage over other countries. There is no reason that India shouldn't surpass Russia.
Poor countries sell to USA nt because dollars have inherent value but because the dollars can be used to buy goods from other countries. If countries stop using dollars, then these poor countries will stop selling goods to USA. The reason why dollars is used everywhere is due to WW2 legacy - marshal plan and the fact that USA was the only major country that was unharmed during WW2 and hence became major supplier of the world. Now with industries back in other countries, USA has lost monopoly. But the legacy has been continued as removing dollars from trade will result in short term economic chaos.

Pound or Euro really on't have value unless other countries accept it. Poor countries have no use for ounds oor Euros if they are not seful in buying stuff. If USA stops buying from China, nothing will happen to China. China already has too much trade surplus. There will be some chaos due to inertia but China as a whole still has trade surplus with everyone else.

USA needs 11 million barrels of oil which is 55% of its oil from imports. That doesn't sound like 85% energy sufficiency. Nuclear power is not a substitute for oil. I am not speaking of electricity here. Without any country agreeing to store US dollars, USA wont be able to manage this import
 

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India is also a shithole country I dont think any nationalist would mind it however cant say about high class liberals.
That is why every effort is being made to build toilets in each and every corner of the country.
We know our problems and it is time we fix it.

Oh wait this is not about India.

I agree with Trump, if they are not shitholes then why are the citizens of these countries migrating to USA.
Firstly, calling other countries shitholes is just rude. People live there and call it home. Your neighbor might have an ugly wife and he might even be aware she is ugly but it is not appropriate to call her ugly.

Secondly, you didn't fully grasp the connotation behind his comment. "Why are we bringing people from shitholes here". Implying that there is something wrong with the people themselves not just the country. As if Haiti or some other country cannot produce any person but a subhuman who is not worthy of immigration to the US.
 

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Firstly, calling other countries shitholes is just rude. People live there and call it home. Your neighbor might have an ugly wife and he might even be aware she is ugly but it is not appropriate to call her ugly.

Secondly, you didn't fully grasp the connotation behind his comment. "Why are we bringing people from shitholes here". Implying that there is something wrong with the people themselves not just the country. As if Haiti or some other country cannot produce any person but a subhuman who is not worthy of immigration to the US.

Sir ji what should i call this? Ugly (not the lady, she is beautiful) or keep my mouth shut. (No disrepeck).

Mind you,
I am not a trump supporter, I am a chaos supporter (let the US of A be embroiled in its own internal conflict).
None of this will affect my country, i hope so.
 

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Calling some of the poorest countries in the world countries shitholes when you are the leader of the richest nation world is unbelievelably rude and egoistic, and shows the kind of human being RealDonaldTrump is. None of these countries is responsible for the destruction of the planet while US is pursuing criminal policies against mankind (like eating insane quantities of meat last I heard).

To me any Trump tower is more of a shithole than a slump in Africa, because the people living in those towers probably share Donald Trump ‘s views.
 

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