Preliminay work on Pak China train begins

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Akhir faida kisko hoga?

Pakistan will get development in gwadar.the pakistani youth will get jobs,and alot of revenue

what else we need than?
paas ke fayede se door ka nuksaan dekhna jayada zaroori ha:p:p
 

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Akhir faida kisko hoga?

Pakistan will get development in gwadar.the pakistani youth will get jobs,and alot of revenue

what else we need than?
Are you sure about the highlighted part?
In GB entirely all the laborers are Chinese.
what makes you feel Gwader petro/oil city will be any different?
 
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Pakistan Railway is Trains to Nowhere.

They have to first get the engines, which they don't have and are confused at to who will supply the same, and yet they are laying lines that will only have ghost trains operating on!

Cuckooland!
 

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Are you sure about the highlighted part?
In GB entirely all the laborers are Chinese.
what makes you feel Gwader petro/oil city will be any different?
your wrong

how do you know in GB all the labours are chinese?
infact not even all the engineers are chinese.because nespak is also helping them in the reconstruction of karakoram highway.
 

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Pakistan Railway is Trains to Nowhere.

They have to first get the engines, which they don't have and are confused at to who will supply the same, and yet they are laying lines that will only have ghost trains operating on!

Cuckooland!
Unlike india our railway was not built by angrejz

railway in pakistan was always very limited compared to india.
 

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your wrong

how do you know in GB all the labours are chinese?
infact not even all the engineers are chinese.because nespak is also helping them in the reconstruction of karakoram highway.
By many estimates, 10,000 Chinese workers and security personal are currently developing local mineral resources, industrial zones, telecom and mega-dams in Gilgit-Baltistan. In a very short span of time, this contested region has become a de facto part of China's Xinjiang province. China's interest in extending the Iran-Pakistan gasline project to Xinjiang will further solidify the nascent regional alliance.
Countering Terror with Trade: The Silk Route to Gilgit-Baltistan - Your Opinion - Atlantic Community

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Or you want me to dig further?
 

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Unlike india our railway was not built by angrejz

railway in pakistan was always very limited compared to india.
No wonder!

But are you not being economical with the truth?

For your info, much of the roads and rail in Pakistan was built by the British Raj, but you have ruined it through dreaming of greater glories without any effort but a reliance on Allah! I say this because you all say Inshallah (God willing!) for everything and make Allah responsible for your failures!

Much of Pakistan's road network (National Highways) and railway network were built before 1947, mainly during the British Raj.
Transport in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pakistan has a rich railway heritage spanning almost 200 years which it owes the British. It was in 1847 when the first railway was imagined but it was not until 1861 when it came into existence in the form of the railway built from Karachi to Kotri. Pakistan has stayed true to this rich heritage because since rail transport is possibly the most popular mode of non-independent transport in Pakistan......


Karachi to Peshawar (Main Line)

The possibility of Karachi as a sea port was first noticed in the middle of 19th century. Sir Henry Edward Frere was appointed Commissioner of Sind in 1851 after its inclusion in Bombay Presidency and sought permission from Lord Dalhousie to begin a survey for a sea port. He also initiated the survey for a Railway line in 1858. It was proposed that a railway line from Karachi City to Kotri, steam navigation up the Indus and Chenab rivers up to Multan and from there another railway to Lahore and beyond be constructed.
The Scinde Railway was formed in 1855 and on 13 May 1861 succeeded in connecting Karachi to Kotri. This was the first railway line for public traffic between Karachi City and Kotri, a distance of 108 miles (174 km).

The 4 sections, i.e., Scinde (Sindh) Railways, Indus Flotilla Company, Punjab Railway and Delhi Railways, working in a single company, were later on amalgamated into the Scinde, Punjab & Delhi Railways Company and purchased by the Secretary of State for India in 1885, and in January, 1886, it was named North Western State Railways, which was later on renamed as North Western Railway. The line between Karachi City and Kiamari was opened on 16 June 1889. During 1897 the line from Keamari to Kotri was doubled.

The railway line from Peshawar to Karachi closely follows Alexander's line of march through the Hindu Kush mountains to the Arabian Sea. Different sections on the existing main line from Peshawar to Lahore and Multan and branch lines were constructed in the last quarter of 19th century and early years of 20th century.

Quetta Rail Link
Quetta was always considered as an important strategic destination during British Raj. Britain always considered Russians as a threat to its rule in the Indian sub-continent that they might advance from Afghanistan into Quetta and thereby threatening its rule in India.[1] It was the year 1857 when the idea was suggested by William Andrew (Chairman of Scinde, Punjab and Delhi Railway) that the railways to the Bolan Pass would have strategic role in responding to any threat by Russia. During the second Afghan War (1878-80) between Britain and Afghanistan, a new urgency was needed to construct a Railway line up to Quetta in order to get easier access to the frontier. On 18 September 1879, under the orders of Viceroy council, work begun on laying the railway tracks and after four months the first 215 km of line from Ruk to Sibi was completed and become operational in January 1880. Beyond Sibi the terrain was very difficult. After immense difficulties and harsh weather conditions, it was March 1887 when the railway line of over 320 km long finally reached Quetta.

Trans-Balochistan Railway

The Trans-Balochistan Railway Line runs from Quetta to Taftan and then into Iranian City of Zahidan. It was named as Nushki Extension Railway as its construction started west of Nushki in 1916. This line reached Iranian city of Zahidan on 1922. The length of this track is 732 kilometers with the last 100 kilometer section being inside Iran. Currently there are hardly any traffic movement on this rail track and the frequency of trains reduced only to One-fortnightly between Quetta and Zahidan

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It is obvious that the railway in Pakistan would be less than India.

Can a postage stamp be as big as the envelope?

Isn't that thought ridiculous?

Nationalism, patriotism is fine, but lies through the teeth is wrong!

The simple fact is that you all are incapable to anything including looking after and improving the facilities that was given to you.

China gave locomotives that worked fine in China, even if they were shoddy, but in your hands, it fell flat on the face as defective!

Stop wailing and beating your chest in grief that you have got a bad deal.

You have got damn good deals by the Raj, the US and China.

It is just that you are sheer bone lazy, corrupt and leave everything to God so that the blame falls on God and not you!

And when that is not enough, blame those who were trying to uplift you from the mess like China blamed for shoddy engines they supplied possibly free of charge!

You all love to look a gift horse in the teeth and then grumble that the teeth are not made in gold!
 
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10k? :O

not possible at any cost

beside this visit the pics of karakoram highway reconstruction thread and you will notice that even though the project is funded by China the labour still are pakistani with a few from chinese side aswell.

checkout yourself
Labour has to be Pakistanis.

China has the money and so why should they do manual labour when they have cheap people to work for them?
 

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Gilgit-Baltistan. In a very short span of time, this contested region has become a de facto part of China's Xinjiang province.
It will.

China has already started the programme with taking away the Shaksgam Valley with Pakistan not even bleating like a Ramadan goat being led for the slaughter!
 

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Oh sir i rather believe in proof.

being Pakistani it is impossible i can lie.and your well aware of this fact

File:India railways1909a.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the indian start getting sided with the british.and only india was getting developed

we pakistan than thought it is not possible to leave with the backstabber and left for our own country

pakistan always had a very limited railway infra compared to india
 

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Oh sir i rather believe in proof.

being Pakistani it is impossible i can lie.and your well aware of this fact

File:India railways1909a.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the indian start getting sided with the british.and only india was getting developed

we pakistan than thought it is not possible to leave with the backstabber and left for our own country

pakistan always had a very limited railway infra compared to india
Can't blame the British if they concentrated on the area that became Independent India.

It is where there was the economic wealth in the heart of the land and people were industrious and not merely feudal satraps lording over bonded labour in barren and unproductive land as in what became West Pakistan.

The area that became Pakistan was back of beyond. Wasteland.

You must not forget that what is Bangladesh now also had an extensive rail network because it was economically lucrative than the wasteland that became West Pakistan.

Of course the railway network was larger in India because India is many many times larger than Pakistan.

It is like saying Ceylon has a very limited rail network compared to Russia!
 

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10k? :O

not possible at any cost

beside this visit the pics of karakoram highway reconstruction thread and you will notice that even though the project is funded by China the labour still are pakistani with a few from chinese side aswell.

checkout yourself
KKR is not the only project.

I don't want to draw conclusion based on photos and pictures.

The number of Chinese engineers working in Pakistan has surged to 10,000 this year
And mind you, this the number of engineers, so you very well can guess the number of laborers, supervisors, operators etc.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

And the article is dated 2009.
And we know the dependence on Chinese has increased and not decreased, so the Chinese manpower in Pakistan has also increased.
 

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Can't blame the British if they concentrated on the area that became Independent India.

It is where there was the economic wealth in the heart of the land and people were industrious and not merely feudal satraps lording over bonded labour in barren and unproductive land as in what became West Pakistan.

The area that became Pakistan was back of beyond. Wasteland.

You must not forget that what is Bangladesh now also had an extensive rail network because it was economically lucrative than the wasteland that became West Pakistan.

Of course the railway network was larger in India because India is many many times larger than Pakistan.

It is like saying Ceylon has a very limited rail network compared to Russia!
And you blame us for getting seperated.
we seperated because we were not given our share in development and wealth

we have come a long way.1947 we had only 1 university in pakistan that again with limited departments the punjab university
And only 1 factort(cement)

while indians were given a developed country

even because of being given a dud land pakistan from 1954 to 2008 had a high per capita than india and in 1970-80's our per capita was almost twice of yours.

Today india is a dud land with no resources at all and no strategic importance other than a 2trillion GDP thanks to large labour force with a per capita under 1300 compared to pakistan well above 1400dollars.

As per latest area estimate incluidng the Kashmir into pak and IOC into india.India is 3.59 times larger than pakistan with while having 6.94times more population than pakistan.

with the declaring of indian punjab as indian occupied and taking back our own kashmir.the difference will further narrow
 

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KKR is not the only project.

I don't want to draw conclusion based on photos and pictures.



And mind you, this the number of engineers, so you very well can guess the number of laborers, supervisors, operators etc.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

And the article is dated 2009.
And we know the dependence on Chinese has increased and not decreased, so the Chinese manpower in Pakistan has also increased.
giving you example of Gomal zam dam (dera ismail khan)
the dam was being built by chinese but 80% or more % of the labour was pakistani and so does atleast 50% of the chinese.

the dam was being built by america funds

they only pump high level engineers and money..the rest of the staff is from Pakistan.
 

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And you blame us for getting seperated.
we seperated because we were not given our share in development and wealth

we have come a long way.1947 we had only 1 university in pakistan that again with limited departments the punjab university
And only 1 factort(cement)

while indians were given a developed country

even because of being given a dud land pakistan from 1954 to 2008 had a high per capita than india and in 1970-80's our per capita was almost twice of yours.

Today india is a dud land with no resources at all and no strategic importance other than a 2trillion GDP thanks to large labour force with a per capita under 1300 compared to pakistan well above 1400dollars.

As per latest area estimate incluidng the Kashmir into pak and IOC into india.India is 3.59 times larger than pakistan with while having 6.94times more population than pakistan.

with the declaring of indian punjab as indian occupied and taking back our own kashmir.the difference will further narrow
No I don't blame you for the Partition.

I would go along with the theory that there was a genuine apprehension that Muslims would be swamped by the majority Hindus, and so rightly, they asked for a separate country for themselves, though the choice of the name Pakistan (Land of the Pure) has opened it up to ridicule since nothing appears to be pure or going right for Pakistan.

You are mistaken that India was given as a developed country. It was a large area and bountiful with resources to include human resources and people were educated (like the Mohajirs who went to Pakistan) and enterprising.

Whatever development was made by the British was for their own economic health back in the UK. Let us not get misled that they did it out of charity. I am sure you have heard how the thumbs of the Dacca weavers of Muslin were cut by the British so that they were not in competition with the British product imported after the cotton was exported to the UK.

Pakistan' economy was never better than India's , except when it mortgaged it sovereignty and military to the US during the Ayub Khan era.

It is such a confused country that it does not know how to govern. There is the see saw Marjorie Daw between the Military and the Civil and even then, the military dictates terms.

It is such a decrepit country that it cannot discover slow flying helicopters flying for hours to come and smash Pakistan's well hidden secret of hiding Osama!

It is such a farce about it religiosity that Muslims kill Muslim, only because there is such an inconsequential difference where, I am told, Shia pray 5 times a day just like Sunnis but usually do the second and third prayers and fourth and fifth prayers together and details of prayer like genuflecting (for Shia should be on a stone or part of earth and for the Sunnis it should be on carpet or floor ).

You had fewer education institution because you were the labour class and feudal satraps (they still rule the roost) and not interested in education. Don't blame others. If one wanted to be educated, they would have found a way. Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar was from a poor family and he used the villages lamp post light to read at night! As far as Indian Muslims are concerned, read how Aligarh Muslim University came into being. Grieving for your own stupidity and blaming others only makes you Pakistanis look a fool.

It was always a 'dud' nation (to use your phrase) that could not even have a Constitution and dithered for many years and then also amending it in the usual confused Pakistani way of governance.

India is a 'dud' country? Cheap labour?

Why Pakistan has costly labour? Is it the reason that Chinese take their coolies for the Railway line from Pakistan?

India, even if you don't like it, is way ahead of Pakistan in all aspects.

Here is something frm the horse's mouth i.e. Pakistan that will drive you into despondency

Pakistan vs India: the widening gap

In 1947, Pakistan and India had roughly the same gross domestic product per capita, i.e. the average Pakistani was about as rich (or rather, as poor) as the average Indian. But with the end of British domination and the formation of a new country, this was an era of great ambition.

Alas, things did not work out as planned. Jinnah died a year into independence, a string of successive military defeats by India — including one which led to the loss of our Eastern half — and deep, corrosive political instability and corruption, plus an inability to even remotely deal with the deep structural problems the British never addressed (such as feudalism), have left Pakistan in a terrible fix. Our country is broken.

For the longest time, however, this hasn't mattered becaus, as it was said to me many years ago, the most important thing is our national security. It's true — perhaps after hundreds of years of foreign rule we have an excuse to be a little pathological about our security. But surely we should consider that no one in their right mind would want to annex Pakistan. Countries go to extreme lengths to keep our citizens out, the last thing they would seem to want to do is to invade us. Besides, what are they going to take?
Yet, our elite continues to trot out this argument time and time again, stuck in some sort of time-warp, a time when Pakistan could afford self-importance and lofty concerns about its safekeeping. The stark reality — that we have not only hit a brick wall but that we will continue to sink economically, socially, politically, and in practically every sphere of human activity — has been held off by the illusion of Pakistan's need for protection.

I think I know what will get the attention of our elite. I accept that many people —perhaps the vast majority of our leaders — are only interested in self-enrichment. In Kenya, whenever a new government comes to power they use the refreshingly honest phrase 'Now it's our turn to eat'. But there surely must be some who are thinking of a Pakistan a few years from now, perhaps five, 10, or, even 20 years from now. And what will that Pakistan look like?

With some certainty one can predict that it will be a desperately poor country with a largely illiterate population. Its cities will continue to be overpopulated. A small minority will have access to drinking water and a working toilet. The country will continue to produce little art, possess little advanced technology, publish few books and perhaps will continue to have remotely flown toys police our backyards from the skies. It will have a reasonable sized military though, the 'largest in the Muslim world' perhaps.

This scenario isn't going to be a wake-up call to action. But — and here's the kicker — although Pakistan will continue to be as poor and as miserable a place as it is now, our neighbour India is becoming a dramatically different place altogether. Last year the average Indian made about $3,500 annually. The average Pakistani, $2,000. Ten years ago the disparity was reversed. Ten years from now the average Indian will be twice as rich as the average Pakistani and this gap is only going to widen in the decades and years to come.

India is racing toward economic and social advancement. Its population is becoming richer, more literate, more tech-savvy. And why is this happening? Because China's awesome economic growth scares the living daylights out of India and this ensures that Indians are fixated by their economic growth in turn. Our former rival has put on running shoes and barely has enough time to check its rear view mirror to look at us, so focused is it on the Chinese panda.

Even though the Pakistan of the future will still be what it is now — and since our leaders can tolerate the present they will be perfectly willing to tolerate this future — what they and any proud, prickly and pathologically paranoid Pakistani might not be able to tolerate is turning up to a party to find out that your former neighbours who were once as poor and wretched as you now seem to have won the lottery. The sad fact is that unless we do something we will soon be alone in our misery and backwardness. Today's India is not so much disinterested by Pakistan as it is embarrassed by its continued association with us.
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giving you example of Gomal zam dam (dera ismail khan)
the dam was being built by chinese but 80% or more % of the labour was pakistani and so does atleast 50% of the chinese.

the dam was being built by america funds

they only pump high level engineers and money..the rest of the staff is from Pakistan.
By your own example, you prove that Pakistan has sold itself and moving with a begging bowl!

What's so great if the coolies are Pakistanis?

And notwithstanding the universities you have built with no thanks from the Raj, you still have not produced the brains.

All you could do was have one Nobel Laureate, whom you refused to recognise as a human, because he was an Ahmediya, but readily and hungrily lapped up the credit!
 
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giving you example of Gomal zam dam (dera ismail khan)
the dam was being built by chinese but 80% or more % of the labour was pakistani and so does atleast 50% of the chinese.

the dam was being built by america funds

they only pump high level engineers and money..the rest of the staff is from Pakistan.
This answers it.

Please give me an example where a project is entirely funded by Chinese.

Also, KKR is not entirely funded by Chinese.
5 billion is pumped in by Chinese and 1.5 billion by Pakistani govt. ( I don't know if Pakistani govt. paid or not). For a certain section of highway.
That is precisely why you find a few laborers and subcontractors of Pakistani Origin.

It will be interesting if you provide links to projects which are funded by Chinese assistance.
The manpower division in those projects is what I am interested in.
 

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