Possible Combat Scenarios between LCA and JF 17.

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  1. Based on the type of missions these Multirole fighters can perform ,the Author have assumed possible Combat Scenarios of both. Taking into consideration the Flight Characteristics of LCA mk1 and JF 17 block l as standard input from their respective official websites and the number of weapons they can carry. This comparison is made. I have neglected such missions that involve both aircraft being supported by AWACS or any other aircraft ,because that varies from air force to airforce. I have considered all variants of LCA and JF 17 for the sake of worst case scenario.


    To add flavour I have given all possibilities a story line so that Defence enthusiasts enjoy reading the article and not get bored.

    1 If LCA goes on a bombing Mission and is intercepted by JF 17.
    24 August 2030 , Briefing room of an Airbase. The Wing Commander instructs his boys, " Our troops are unable to move forward ,because of heavy concentration of Enemy's Artillery. If we our army provides our marching troops with our artillery via a land route, it will be too late, The troops have demanded a Close Air Support immediately".




    The brave Squadron Leader acts swiftly , prepares four LCA aircraft each loaded with two KAB - 1500L laser Guided bombs , two R 73 CCMs , two drop fuel tanks. He instructs his pilots to do last minute checks. The squadron prepares for takeoff. At midnight they takeoff from their home base ,upon reaching near to the friendly troops, Squadron leader passes a message to all , " Pilots , Break Right and and select your air to ground weapon. We reach the designated target in no time, Everybody will make only one approach and the sequence will be , kirpan 1, then Kirpan 2, kirpan 3 and Kirpan lead ( code names of pilots). " , Upon reaching the area of interest which they earlier saw on their NAVIC system of Navigation. They make approaches and start bombing enemy artillery.



    " Red Alert , Red Alert, Red Alert, I am picking up signals from my RWR , their is an enemy aircraft inbound" , the squadron leader shouts in the radio. He later instructs his team mates, " As soon as you finish bombing , fly away back to base, I will ensure your passage". Soon Kirpan 1, Kirpan 2 and Kirpan 3 are out of picture. The aircraft came to intercept is JF 17. armed with two PL- 12 BVRs , two Pl 5 short range missiles. It is also carrying two drop fuel tanks. Both The Pilots fly in crossing paths approaching each other, so close that they both see each others 'highly determined' faces. Both take a U turn and are now ready to engage.




    The JF 17's internal fuel capacity is 2330 kg and it always carries 2 X 1100 kg external tank. Total fuel capacity is thus 4530 kg. While the LCA's fuel capacity is 2458 kg with 2 X 1200 kg external tanks that total up as 4858 kg. That means LCA carries 328 kg more fuel. This small gap of '328 kg' can also be a tactical advantage. The LCA has more thrust to weight ratio and also it's engine gives more dry thrust than that of JF 17. This means that in a combat Scenario LCA can move swiftly away from JF 17 for a while until the opponent runs out of fuel. LCA can give same speed as that of JF 17 with low afterburner settings and using less fuel. This advantage depends upon skills of a pilot. Once JF 17 runs out of fuel , it will be forced to return to it's base.

    The JF 17 pilot must not waste time in such a scenario , It's Service ceiling is slightly larger than LCA , The JF 17 can climb to its maximum service ceiling to avoid being targeted and approach LCA as fast as he can..........then Radar Lock on.................BVR missile firing..................... and Boom.



    LCA going on a Bombing Mission would be carrying bombs , drop tanks mainly. It would be equipped with R 73 which has short range and is not BVR capable. So LCA's Air to Air combat effectiveness is restricted in this scenario. The LCA would deliver the bomb , but would face challenge from JF 17.

    Conclusion :- Although there are slight chances for LCA but the argument tilts in favour of JF 17.
    2 If JF 17 goes on a bombing role and LCA intercepts it.
    War is about to start between two countries. The Air base of Black Spiders receive intelligence that enemy is about to move it's highly capable cruise missiles near the border. The Black Spiders prepare for a mission to destroy these mobile missile launchers before they come close. And four JF 17 Thunders Fly zooom. Squadron leader instructs, " Today we would do, what we waited for our whole life, we will approach enemy from behind whom we expect to be at highway no. 26 right now, 16 kms from dhuti city. They would take a break and we would bring down Thunder on them."., The squadron leader further instructs, " Spider 2 and Spider 3 prepare your H 4 glide bombs, while me and Spider 4 will pounce the second wave and fire our GB 6 missiles".




    All Aircrafts then fly in a tight formation to mock as a civilian transport aircraft and swiftly come down their designated target area. Spider 3 moves ahead to select target and says, " Spider 1 , I am selecting a target with the help of my WMD-7 targeting pod, let us connect".




    Soon the Spider 2 sees some ball of fire in the air at a distance, the ball of fire/light is seen coming closer, he reactivates his RWR and scans the nearby area. His eyes go wide open , he shouts on the radio, " Spider 1, seems to me like we have got a company at our 2 'o clock". Everybody gets shocked. It is LCA Tejas armed with Astra BVRs and R 73 short range missiles. The battle is on ..............






    JF 17's combat radius is 1352 km. So it can effectively perform ground attacks deep within hostile airspace. Out of it's 7 hard points ,2 will always be for Drop Fuel Tanks. The centreline hard point for a targeting pod. The wingtip hard points for PL 5 short range air to air missiles. Thus it is left with just two Hard points for Air to Ground Munition. The JF 17 can carry a wide range of Smart Weapons including Air Launched Cruise Missiles and Glide Bombs. Making it more effective ground attack aircraft than LCA mk 1. The Advantage of JF 17 is that it is equipped with indigenous weapons which makes it an attractive choice for those airforces that are on a war righ now and wants a cheap solution. Just like the Nigerian AirForce that faces challenge from BokoHaram.



    The Disadvantage here is JF 17's mutimode radar can look up to just 50 to 60 kms and so can it's targeting pods. It may be equipped with weapons with 100 km of range but cannot be able to launch them. The Block l and Block ll variants do not have BVR targeting system. As of Jan 2016 JF 17 Block lll isn't finalised. So the production line can only offer the current version.




    For a Bombing Mission JF 17 has to go very near to its target almost within the range of ground based defensive missiles. In such a case if LCA intercepts it ,it will be equipped with 2 X R77 BVR missiles. Only 20 LCAs are of the type that are WVR all other variants are BVR. So we can safely assume that any variant of LCA can successfully intercept JF 17 block l and block ll and possibly even Block lll because Block lll will not have increased amount of weapons. LCA would be relying on its LEVCONs and BVR missiles , while JF 17's hardpoints carrying Air to Ground Munition will be equipped with two WVR Air to Air missiles only.

    Conclusion :- Neither The JF 17 would be able to deliver its weapons nor it will be able to save itself from LCA'S Air to Air weapons. Against a mobile target JF 17 is ineffective when LCA is guarding it.


    3 IF JF 17 attacks an airbase where LCA is stationed. ( Both Aircrafts in A2A mode).



    ALERT ! ALERT ! ALERT !


    The tower of airbase shouts in the radio. "We have enemy aircrafts approaching overhead , all pilots are clear for priority take off ". The LCA pilot taxis his aircraft getting ready for takeoff. To his surprise from nowhere Two JF 17s arrive. One of them drops the Matra Durandal anti Runway bombs and damages the runway. The tower passes the message " SP-14, If you are listening to me , abort your takeoff. The runway is damaged and is filled with cluster bomblets". The LCA Pilot ignores this warning , he knows that LCA can take off at a mere 400m. He passes a message in return , " Tower, be relaxed, I am quite comfortable here, let me make my guests feel comfortable too". And he takes off.





    The Bomber JF 17 is out of picture now and there is only one left that was sent to provide air cover.


    Then.............




    The JF 17 which provide air support to it's friendly JF 17 is now ready to engage the LCA which has flown just now from a damaged runway. The LCA as soon as it takes off would do its best to manoeuvre and quickly engage JF 17. But JF 17 would like to do the same. At low speeds JF 17 is more manoeuvreable. Both realise this is the game of manoeuvrability. The JF 17 has got g limits as +8/-3 g and LCA has +8/-3.5 g. The minus values of Gs are experienced when aircraft is reducing its altitude at a very fast rate.


    The JF 17 can fly at a service ceiling of 16920m whereas the LCA has 16000m.


    The JF 17 has thrust to weight ratio 0.9 whereas LCA has 1.07.


    As Mach number increases, the turn rates lower for the conventional cropped delta tailed configuration aircraft models at a faster rate than that for the pure tailless delta model with a crossover point at Mach 0.65. At all higher Mach numbers, the difference in turn rates increases substantially once more. Beyond Mach 0.6 Tailess delta wing aircrafts are more manoeuvrable than conventional tailed Cropped delta wing models. JF 17's DSI inlets here play a significant role in providing good post stall characteristics. To win ,it has to keep raising its altitude and deliberately stall for a short time and regain speed , thus it can outrun LCA.




    Here in this graph uploaded above a comparison between LCA and F 16 is given where it is clear that LCA can pull high 'Gs at high Mach speeds, that means it can take more sharp turns at high speeds. This graph is made assuming sea level as flying altitude of both. In case of JF 17 and LCA at higher altitudes things would tilt in favour of JF 17 but not too much. Because of different air intakes of both and density of air being less at greater heights.


    The LCA had got onboard oxygen generating system that allows LCA'S pilot to operate for large amount of time. Whereas JF 17 has got oxygen tanks that run out of Oxygen after 2 hrs.




    So the LCA owing to its slightly greater EW capabilities , thrust to weight ratio and slightly greater speed can engage JF 17 and won't be allowing it to return home. The JF 17 if successfully climbs to a height of 16900m then it may trick LCA. LCA still has got chance although it can't safely fly above 16000 m but surely can put its nose upwards to target JF 17. The JF 17 simply cannot escape. JF 17 will be on the mercy of it's KG-300G radar jammer. But how long???. LCA carries targeting pod on its extra hard point located beneath port side intake. This passive IR targeting against JF 17's hot engines are surely gonna add a kill mark on LCA.




    But there can be a twist.


    While LCA is taking off. If JF 17 is behind LCA. That means if JF 17 is at LCA's '6' . LCA is largely in a disadvantageous position neither LCA can evade JF 17 in a turn manoeuvre nor it will have time to climb up to a safe position and save its back. The SD 10's of JF 17 would hit LCA. So once again Pilot's Skill and Timings are largely necessary here.

    Conclusion :- This argument tilts in favour of LCA doing a Combat Air Patrol (CAP) mission. There are chances for JF 17 but it will be a bad choice for the role of aerial cover if LCA is to be dealt with.


    4 JF 17 approaches for an AntiShip role and NLCA intercepts.
    Their is an emergency kind of situation in the Naval Port. A big Armada of enemy ships is approaching there. It passes SOS message to a nearby Air Base and then the Hero appears. The JF 17 is here, armed with CM 400 AKG at its centreline pylon. The JF 17 pilot says , " Need not to worry dear friends, I am 08-106 from the Black Panthers, At the stroke of Midnight our Thunder Strike will happen".

    The enemy Armada of ships goes on full alert. Their radars detect an inbound aircraft. The lead ship destroyer moves forward and is now skimming almost alone. It calls for support. The NLCA takes off from it's aircraft carrier Vineet. Zooms at a speed of Mach 1.8 , armed with BVR astra missiles ready to bang on. The NLCA reaches for support of The lead Ship Destroyer.


    Then..........


    JF 17's radar cross section is 5m². LCA's radar cross section is 1.5 m². Although in within visual range air to air combat it hardly matters.
    The JF 17 armed with YJ 12 / CM400 AKG. Approaches the armada. To avoid being detected it raises its altitude to its maximum until it reaches very near to it's target, the lead destroyer of that armada. The Best thing in such cases is Dive Bombing. Although the technique is for bombing but effective for missile launch also.


    As the Radar of JF 17 can't see beyond 60km. It has to go that much close to it's target. Any normal destroyer is equipped with medium range SAMs of 70 to 100kms of range. That means JF 17 isn't completely safe. But owing its rate climb it can turn upwards and successfully get out of range of SAMs before they hit it. We are assuming that JF 17 is not getting any support from AEW&C or ASW aircraft. So it is all alone. The CM 400 AKG is undoubtedly very difficult to intercept. If the mission is agianst just one ship then JF 17 may score. But Against a high value target like Aircraft carrier it won't be able to hit it. An aircraft carrier is surrounded by many ships , big enough to stop any intruding aircraft. It floats with its entire Carrier Battle Group. Even normally it has got two ships alongside it.


    Things would become difficult if JF 17 faces opposition from an NLCA as discussed in this case. The NLCA here would be equipped with BVR R 77 missiles and won't give any chance to JF 17. IF LCA arrives after JF 17 hits the target , The JF 17 wont waste time and would escape. But if JF 17 is yet to hit its target..............




    Imagine the JF 17 performs a steep dive almost making an angle of 70° with sea surface. It would approach with its maximum speed. Going Full afterburner and Then its adversary LCA arrives. The LCA would be relying on the Support of Radar of its home aircraft carrier to know the location of JF 17. The Mk 1 NLCA is for testing purpose and not for production any real combat ready NLCA would definitely be equipped with AESA radar. Having Movable LEVCONS it would also be more manoeuvreable than JF 17. The Block l and ll does not have any significant changes not even a new cockpit design. Just some minor upgrades. So it is pretty clear that if a turn combat happens , NLCA is going to add a kill mark on itself.


    If NLCA faces JF 17 block lll even if we consider the most upgraded Variant of NLCA. The battle would be at equal level If we expect Block lll to be using Carbon Composites and AESA radar, the NLCA being at same. The JF 17 would have a hectic time to deal with NLCA. Any imaginable turn Combat's result would be depending on Pilot's skill. The Basic Variant of LCA is less manoeuvreable than JF 17 and the later variants have Movable LEVCONS and more powerful engine to add to the manoeuvrability.

    Conclusion :- This argument is highly case specific and Both have equal chances of Victory and Lose.


    5 LCA goes on a Precision Strike on a beach and is intercepted by JF 17.


    A Naval LCA patrols above the Arabian sea at the altitude of 10000m. The sun is about to set and N-LCA is about to return. It was a regular patrol on the politically tense days, so N-LCA was armed. The LCA revives a message on his radio , " NF 07 , get ready , it is a big time sensitive mission and you are our only guy in sky. You will be serving our country in the glorious traditions of Black Panther sqaudron " . Initially tense but now confident the Pilot responds , " Certainly Sir, whatever you ask for ". The pilot was thinking of many possible scenarios , As he was alone on the mission he just checked his health , and the weather around. While doing some settings in his flight Computer, his leader comes up on the radio and says, " Good Evening my boy , See their is an enemy ship preparing to load an enemy VIP. The target is very important for us if we destroy the ship we may end this war, we are relied on you, our nation is relying on you ". The pilot becomes patriotically emotional for a while but he responds an affirmative and turns himself towards the enemy position.


    The LCA after receiving intelligence that it has to destroy a high value target located at enemy port, moves swiftly. It will climb up at 15000m and would fly straight at it's target. Will do a steep dive. The precision strike weapon configuration of LCA is as such that it has to carry 2X Drop Tanks, 2X R77 BVR missiles , 2X R 73 CCMs and 1 X Kh - 35 anti ship missile as a stand off weapon. After delivering the standoff weapon what will happen to it is a different issue.


    The Authorities on that targeted port get the wind of what is happening in the nearby airspace and call up for help. It is almost dusk , The JF 17 standing there at sunset is readied for combat with full air to air load takes off and swiftly moves towards the port.


    If combat happens after LCA delivers it's stand off weapons then matters are different for it. LCA would first jettison it's Drop Fuel Tanks, to get relived of load. And owing to its increasingly manoeuvreable design would show some radar locking skills to it's opponent. The LCA would definitely be dominant in most number of possibilities if all variants are considered. The possibility of JF 17 engaging LCA after delivery of weapon is less. Because LCA is not a stealth aircraft and can be detected. As in the case discussed above LCA is approaching a Naval Port where many big ships are stationed. Naturally such a place would get a high end radar coverage. As soon as the 'bogie' LCA is detected an Interceptor will be launched and will be ready to welcome the bogie.



    Conclusion :- The victory of LCA depends upon Pilot's skills but the JF 17 in this case have an upper hand.



    LCA and JF 17 both are awesome fighters completly fitting to thier roles. The Goal of LCA program was to develop the infrastructure in India and The Goal of JF 17 program was to meet the requirment of filling up of gaps. Both the programs met their demand. If any nation wants to purchase a cheap fighter for taking it mostly to the battlefield JF 17 is an attractive option. For any AirForce who has maintenance and operating cost a big issue and Needs a precision strike low end , Advanced Fighter then LCA is the best. JF 17 is maneuoverable. LCA is reliable. JF 17 have wide variety of weapons. LCA has BVR capability.


    It is not necessary that LCA and JF 17 would be used in a war By India and Pakistan. Seeing the military doctrine of both , such chances are low that IAF LCA would face PAF JF 17. It may be possible that both be exported to some countries and they go on a war with each other fielding LCA and JF 17 against each other. Don't make the Tejas Vs JF 17 an India vs Pakistan, be specific while commenting here.


    Info Sources


    :- www.tejas.gov.in
    :- www.jf-17.com
    :- ADA- Tejas Brochure 2015.
    :- beta coefficient blogspot.
    :- some private sources in IAF.
    :- Various articles uploaded in ********** , *****************, idrw.org and magazines related to military like Asian defence review, combat aircraft magazine etc.






    Image Sources


    :- ADA , Deb Rana
    :- Official Websites of LCA and JF 17.
    :- www.pafwallpapers.com
    :- www.jaffapix.com
    :- www.hesja.pl
    :- beta coefficient blogspot
    :- Wikipedia

    THANK YOU !

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  1. Few corrections here.

    If you consider JF 17 Block III, you must consider LCA tejas MK2 with AESA, EW and 6150 KG weight and 60 KN Dry thrust engine. Even if MK1+ is to be considered, Its weight should be considered 6000 KG with AESA and best EW in the class. So T/W ratio of tejas shall be atleast 8% higher in MK1+ and 15% in LCA MK2 which outclass anything in the class including gripen and F 16 forget about JF 7.

    LCA's service ceiling is already incresed to 18000 M in MK2 and much higher in case of MK1+ compared to 15000 M.
    LCA Mk2 will come with 1000 KG additional fuel and will not need 2 externals tanks as said in Article.

    LCA has already done 8+ g at AOA not above 24*. It is all set to increase it to 26* and g limit shall also rise. It will reach atleast 8.5g. What JF 17 has achieved in actual condition is not known. JF 17 has never seen doing 8 G in any air show where as tejas is found doing 8+ g at Bahrain.

    there are other factual errors in articles which needs a correction.

    Article says that JF 17 will have advantage at high altitude which is absolutely wrong. LCA with much lower wing loading will have a big advantage at high altitude. Infact , JF 17 may do better at low altitude comparatively.
    Other lie is combat radious of JF 17 is 1352 KM. This is not even combat radious of Rafale of MKI.
 

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Both are made for different roles, even one of them is a derivative while other one is design.

Second, versus threads affect quality of forums.
 

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  1. Based on the type of missions these Multirole fighters can perform ,the Author have assumed possible Combat Scenarios of both. Taking into consideration the Flight Characteristics of LCA mk1 and JF 17 block l as standard input from their respective official websites and the number of weapons they can carry. This comparison is made. I have neglected such missions that involve both aircraft being supported by AWACS or any other aircraft ,because that varies from air force to airforce. I have considered all variants of LCA and JF 17 for the sake of worst case scenario.


    To add flavour I have given all possibilities a story line so that Defence enthusiasts enjoy reading the article and not get bored.

    1 If LCA goes on a bombing Mission and is intercepted by JF 17.
    24 August 2030 , Briefing room of an Airbase. The Wing Commander instructs his boys, " Our troops are unable to move forward ,because of heavy concentration of Enemy's Artillery. If we our army provides our marching troops with our artillery via a land route, it will be too late, The troops have demanded a Close Air Support immediately".




    The brave Squadron Leader acts swiftly , prepares four LCA aircraft each loaded with two KAB - 1500L laser Guided bombs , two R 73 CCMs , two drop fuel tanks. He instructs his pilots to do last minute checks. The squadron prepares for takeoff. At midnight they takeoff from their home base ,upon reaching near to the friendly troops, Squadron leader passes a message to all , " Pilots , Break Right and and select your air to ground weapon. We reach the designated target in no time, Everybody will make only one approach and the sequence will be , kirpan 1, then Kirpan 2, kirpan 3 and Kirpan lead ( code names of pilots). " , Upon reaching the area of interest which they earlier saw on their NAVIC system of Navigation. They make approaches and start bombing enemy artillery.



    " Red Alert , Red Alert, Red Alert, I am picking up signals from my RWR , their is an enemy aircraft inbound" , the squadron leader shouts in the radio. He later instructs his team mates, " As soon as you finish bombing , fly away back to base, I will ensure your passage". Soon Kirpan 1, Kirpan 2 and Kirpan 3 are out of picture. The aircraft came to intercept is JF 17. armed with two PL- 12 BVRs , two Pl 5 short range missiles. It is also carrying two drop fuel tanks. Both The Pilots fly in crossing paths approaching each other, so close that they both see each others 'highly determined' faces. Both take a U turn and are now ready to engage.




    The JF 17's internal fuel capacity is 2330 kg and it always carries 2 X 1100 kg external tank. Total fuel capacity is thus 4530 kg. While the LCA's fuel capacity is 2458 kg with 2 X 1200 kg external tanks that total up as 4858 kg. That means LCA carries 328 kg more fuel. This small gap of '328 kg' can also be a tactical advantage. The LCA has more thrust to weight ratio and also it's engine gives more dry thrust than that of JF 17. This means that in a combat Scenario LCA can move swiftly away from JF 17 for a while until the opponent runs out of fuel. LCA can give same speed as that of JF 17 with low afterburner settings and using less fuel. This advantage depends upon skills of a pilot. Once JF 17 runs out of fuel , it will be forced to return to it's base.

    The JF 17 pilot must not waste time in such a scenario , It's Service ceiling is slightly larger than LCA , The JF 17 can climb to its maximum service ceiling to avoid being targeted and approach LCA as fast as he can..........then Radar Lock on.................BVR missile firing..................... and Boom.



    LCA going on a Bombing Mission would be carrying bombs , drop tanks mainly. It would be equipped with R 73 which has short range and is not BVR capable. So LCA's Air to Air combat effectiveness is restricted in this scenario. The LCA would deliver the bomb , but would face challenge from JF 17.

    Conclusion :- Although there are slight chances for LCA but the argument tilts in favour of JF 17.
    2 If JF 17 goes on a bombing role and LCA intercepts it.
    War is about to start between two countries. The Air base of Black Spiders receive intelligence that enemy is about to move it's highly capable cruise missiles near the border. The Black Spiders prepare for a mission to destroy these mobile missile launchers before they come close. And four JF 17 Thunders Fly zooom. Squadron leader instructs, " Today we would do, what we waited for our whole life, we will approach enemy from behind whom we expect to be at highway no. 26 right now, 16 kms from dhuti city. They would take a break and we would bring down Thunder on them."., The squadron leader further instructs, " Spider 2 and Spider 3 prepare your H 4 glide bombs, while me and Spider 4 will pounce the second wave and fire our GB 6 missiles".




    All Aircrafts then fly in a tight formation to mock as a civilian transport aircraft and swiftly come down their designated target area. Spider 3 moves ahead to select target and says, " Spider 1 , I am selecting a target with the help of my WMD-7 targeting pod, let us connect".




    Soon the Spider 2 sees some ball of fire in the air at a distance, the ball of fire/light is seen coming closer, he reactivates his RWR and scans the nearby area. His eyes go wide open , he shouts on the radio, " Spider 1, seems to me like we have got a company at our 2 'o clock". Everybody gets shocked. It is LCA Tejas armed with Astra BVRs and R 73 short range missiles. The battle is on ..............






    JF 17's combat radius is 1352 km. So it can effectively perform ground attacks deep within hostile airspace. Out of it's 7 hard points ,2 will always be for Drop Fuel Tanks. The centreline hard point for a targeting pod. The wingtip hard points for PL 5 short range air to air missiles. Thus it is left with just two Hard points for Air to Ground Munition. The JF 17 can carry a wide range of Smart Weapons including Air Launched Cruise Missiles and Glide Bombs. Making it more effective ground attack aircraft than LCA mk 1. The Advantage of JF 17 is that it is equipped with indigenous weapons which makes it an attractive choice for those airforces that are on a war righ now and wants a cheap solution. Just like the Nigerian AirForce that faces challenge from BokoHaram.



    The Disadvantage here is JF 17's mutimode radar can look up to just 50 to 60 kms and so can it's targeting pods. It may be equipped with weapons with 100 km of range but cannot be able to launch them. The Block l and Block ll variants do not have BVR targeting system. As of Jan 2016 JF 17 Block lll isn't finalised. So the production line can only offer the current version.




    For a Bombing Mission JF 17 has to go very near to its target almost within the range of ground based defensive missiles. In such a case if LCA intercepts it ,it will be equipped with 2 X R77 BVR missiles. Only 20 LCAs are of the type that are WVR all other variants are BVR. So we can safely assume that any variant of LCA can successfully intercept JF 17 block l and block ll and possibly even Block lll because Block lll will not have increased amount of weapons. LCA would be relying on its LEVCONs and BVR missiles , while JF 17's hardpoints carrying Air to Ground Munition will be equipped with two WVR Air to Air missiles only.

    Conclusion :- Neither The JF 17 would be able to deliver its weapons nor it will be able to save itself from LCA'S Air to Air weapons. Against a mobile target JF 17 is ineffective when LCA is guarding it.


    3 IF JF 17 attacks an airbase where LCA is stationed. ( Both Aircrafts in A2A mode).



    ALERT ! ALERT ! ALERT !


    The tower of airbase shouts in the radio. "We have enemy aircrafts approaching overhead , all pilots are clear for priority take off ". The LCA pilot taxis his aircraft getting ready for takeoff. To his surprise from nowhere Two JF 17s arrive. One of them drops the Matra Durandal anti Runway bombs and damages the runway. The tower passes the message " SP-14, If you are listening to me , abort your takeoff. The runway is damaged and is filled with cluster bomblets". The LCA Pilot ignores this warning , he knows that LCA can take off at a mere 400m. He passes a message in return , " Tower, be relaxed, I am quite comfortable here, let me make my guests feel comfortable too". And he takes off.





    The Bomber JF 17 is out of picture now and there is only one left that was sent to provide air cover.


    Then.............




    The JF 17 which provide air support to it's friendly JF 17 is now ready to engage the LCA which has flown just now from a damaged runway. The LCA as soon as it takes off would do its best to manoeuvre and quickly engage JF 17. But JF 17 would like to do the same. At low speeds JF 17 is more manoeuvreable. Both realise this is the game of manoeuvrability. The JF 17 has got g limits as +8/-3 g and LCA has +8/-3.5 g. The minus values of Gs are experienced when aircraft is reducing its altitude at a very fast rate.


    The JF 17 can fly at a service ceiling of 16920m whereas the LCA has 16000m.


    The JF 17 has thrust to weight ratio 0.9 whereas LCA has 1.07.


    As Mach number increases, the turn rates lower for the conventional cropped delta tailed configuration aircraft models at a faster rate than that for the pure tailless delta model with a crossover point at Mach 0.65. At all higher Mach numbers, the difference in turn rates increases substantially once more. Beyond Mach 0.6 Tailess delta wing aircrafts are more manoeuvrable than conventional tailed Cropped delta wing models. JF 17's DSI inlets here play a significant role in providing good post stall characteristics. To win ,it has to keep raising its altitude and deliberately stall for a short time and regain speed , thus it can outrun LCA.




    Here in this graph uploaded above a comparison between LCA and F 16 is given where it is clear that LCA can pull high 'Gs at high Mach speeds, that means it can take more sharp turns at high speeds. This graph is made assuming sea level as flying altitude of both. In case of JF 17 and LCA at higher altitudes things would tilt in favour of JF 17 but not too much. Because of different air intakes of both and density of air being less at greater heights.


    The LCA had got onboard oxygen generating system that allows LCA'S pilot to operate for large amount of time. Whereas JF 17 has got oxygen tanks that run out of Oxygen after 2 hrs.




    So the LCA owing to its slightly greater EW capabilities , thrust to weight ratio and slightly greater speed can engage JF 17 and won't be allowing it to return home. The JF 17 if successfully climbs to a height of 16900m then it may trick LCA. LCA still has got chance although it can't safely fly above 16000 m but surely can put its nose upwards to target JF 17. The JF 17 simply cannot escape. JF 17 will be on the mercy of it's KG-300G radar jammer. But how long???. LCA carries targeting pod on its extra hard point located beneath port side intake. This passive IR targeting against JF 17's hot engines are surely gonna add a kill mark on LCA.




    But there can be a twist.


    While LCA is taking off. If JF 17 is behind LCA. That means if JF 17 is at LCA's '6' . LCA is largely in a disadvantageous position neither LCA can evade JF 17 in a turn manoeuvre nor it will have time to climb up to a safe position and save its back. The SD 10's of JF 17 would hit LCA. So once again Pilot's Skill and Timings are largely necessary here.

    Conclusion :- This argument tilts in favour of LCA doing a Combat Air Patrol (CAP) mission. There are chances for JF 17 but it will be a bad choice for the role of aerial cover if LCA is to be dealt with.


    4 JF 17 approaches for an AntiShip role and NLCA intercepts.
    Their is an emergency kind of situation in the Naval Port. A big Armada of enemy ships is approaching there. It passes SOS message to a nearby Air Base and then the Hero appears. The JF 17 is here, armed with CM 400 AKG at its centreline pylon. The JF 17 pilot says , " Need not to worry dear friends, I am 08-106 from the Black Panthers, At the stroke of Midnight our Thunder Strike will happen".

    The enemy Armada of ships goes on full alert. Their radars detect an inbound aircraft. The lead ship destroyer moves forward and is now skimming almost alone. It calls for support. The NLCA takes off from it's aircraft carrier Vineet. Zooms at a speed of Mach 1.8 , armed with BVR astra missiles ready to bang on. The NLCA reaches for support of The lead Ship Destroyer.


    Then..........


    JF 17's radar cross section is 5m². LCA's radar cross section is 1.5 m². Although in within visual range air to air combat it hardly matters.
    The JF 17 armed with YJ 12 / CM400 AKG. Approaches the armada. To avoid being detected it raises its altitude to its maximum until it reaches very near to it's target, the lead destroyer of that armada. The Best thing in such cases is Dive Bombing. Although the technique is for bombing but effective for missile launch also.


    As the Radar of JF 17 can't see beyond 60km. It has to go that much close to it's target. Any normal destroyer is equipped with medium range SAMs of 70 to 100kms of range. That means JF 17 isn't completely safe. But owing its rate climb it can turn upwards and successfully get out of range of SAMs before they hit it. We are assuming that JF 17 is not getting any support from AEW&C or ASW aircraft. So it is all alone. The CM 400 AKG is undoubtedly very difficult to intercept. If the mission is agianst just one ship then JF 17 may score. But Against a high value target like Aircraft carrier it won't be able to hit it. An aircraft carrier is surrounded by many ships , big enough to stop any intruding aircraft. It floats with its entire Carrier Battle Group. Even normally it has got two ships alongside it.


    Things would become difficult if JF 17 faces opposition from an NLCA as discussed in this case. The NLCA here would be equipped with BVR R 77 missiles and won't give any chance to JF 17. IF LCA arrives after JF 17 hits the target , The JF 17 wont waste time and would escape. But if JF 17 is yet to hit its target..............




    Imagine the JF 17 performs a steep dive almost making an angle of 70° with sea surface. It would approach with its maximum speed. Going Full afterburner and Then its adversary LCA arrives. The LCA would be relying on the Support of Radar of its home aircraft carrier to know the location of JF 17. The Mk 1 NLCA is for testing purpose and not for production any real combat ready NLCA would definitely be equipped with AESA radar. Having Movable LEVCONS it would also be more manoeuvreable than JF 17. The Block l and ll does not have any significant changes not even a new cockpit design. Just some minor upgrades. So it is pretty clear that if a turn combat happens , NLCA is going to add a kill mark on itself.


    If NLCA faces JF 17 block lll even if we consider the most upgraded Variant of NLCA. The battle would be at equal level If we expect Block lll to be using Carbon Composites and AESA radar, the NLCA being at same. The JF 17 would have a hectic time to deal with NLCA. Any imaginable turn Combat's result would be depending on Pilot's skill. The Basic Variant of LCA is less manoeuvreable than JF 17 and the later variants have Movable LEVCONS and more powerful engine to add to the manoeuvrability.

    Conclusion :- This argument is highly case specific and Both have equal chances of Victory and Lose.


    5 LCA goes on a Precision Strike on a beach and is intercepted by JF 17.


    A Naval LCA patrols above the Arabian sea at the altitude of 10000m. The sun is about to set and N-LCA is about to return. It was a regular patrol on the politically tense days, so N-LCA was armed. The LCA revives a message on his radio , " NF 07 , get ready , it is a big time sensitive mission and you are our only guy in sky. You will be serving our country in the glorious traditions of Black Panther sqaudron " . Initially tense but now confident the Pilot responds , " Certainly Sir, whatever you ask for ". The pilot was thinking of many possible scenarios , As he was alone on the mission he just checked his health , and the weather around. While doing some settings in his flight Computer, his leader comes up on the radio and says, " Good Evening my boy , See their is an enemy ship preparing to load an enemy VIP. The target is very important for us if we destroy the ship we may end this war, we are relied on you, our nation is relying on you ". The pilot becomes patriotically emotional for a while but he responds an affirmative and turns himself towards the enemy position.


    The LCA after receiving intelligence that it has to destroy a high value target located at enemy port, moves swiftly. It will climb up at 15000m and would fly straight at it's target. Will do a steep dive. The precision strike weapon configuration of LCA is as such that it has to carry 2X Drop Tanks, 2X R77 BVR missiles , 2X R 73 CCMs and 1 X Kh - 35 anti ship missile as a stand off weapon. After delivering the standoff weapon what will happen to it is a different issue.


    The Authorities on that targeted port get the wind of what is happening in the nearby airspace and call up for help. It is almost dusk , The JF 17 standing there at sunset is readied for combat with full air to air load takes off and swiftly moves towards the port.


    If combat happens after LCA delivers it's stand off weapons then matters are different for it. LCA would first jettison it's Drop Fuel Tanks, to get relived of load. And owing to its increasingly manoeuvreable design would show some radar locking skills to it's opponent. The LCA would definitely be dominant in most number of possibilities if all variants are considered. The possibility of JF 17 engaging LCA after delivery of weapon is less. Because LCA is not a stealth aircraft and can be detected. As in the case discussed above LCA is approaching a Naval Port where many big ships are stationed. Naturally such a place would get a high end radar coverage. As soon as the 'bogie' LCA is detected an Interceptor will be launched and will be ready to welcome the bogie.



    Conclusion :- The victory of LCA depends upon Pilot's skills but the JF 17 in this case have an upper hand.



    LCA and JF 17 both are awesome fighters completly fitting to thier roles. The Goal of LCA program was to develop the infrastructure in India and The Goal of JF 17 program was to meet the requirment of filling up of gaps. Both the programs met their demand. If any nation wants to purchase a cheap fighter for taking it mostly to the battlefield JF 17 is an attractive option. For any AirForce who has maintenance and operating cost a big issue and Needs a precision strike low end , Advanced Fighter then LCA is the best. JF 17 is maneuoverable. LCA is reliable. JF 17 have wide variety of weapons. LCA has BVR capability.


    It is not necessary that LCA and JF 17 would be used in a war By India and Pakistan. Seeing the military doctrine of both , such chances are low that IAF LCA would face PAF JF 17. It may be possible that both be exported to some countries and they go on a war with each other fielding LCA and JF 17 against each other. Don't make the Tejas Vs JF 17 an India vs Pakistan, be specific while commenting here.


    Info Sources


    :- www.tejas.gov.in
    :- www.jf-17.com
    :- ADA- Tejas Brochure 2015.
    :- beta coefficient blogspot.
    :- some private sources in IAF.
    :- Various articles uploaded in ********** , *****************, idrw.org and magazines related to military like Asian defence review, combat aircraft magazine etc.






    Image Sources


    :- ADA , Deb Rana
    :- Official Websites of LCA and JF 17.
    :- www.pafwallpapers.com
    :- www.jaffapix.com
    :- www.hesja.pl
    :- beta coefficient blogspot
    :- Wikipedia

    THANK YOU !

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A question Combat Radius is generally Half of the Range Right
No it will be less than half of the range. For tejas, the range (Without drop tank) is 1700 KM while its combat radious is somewhere 300 to 400 KM as plane has to fight there with enemy plane and come back. This will consume a lots of fuel.
 

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For tejas, the range (Without drop tank) is 1700 KM.
But Tejas isn't intended for it. It's a light category fighter best utilizeable for.defending our skies and as it has capability to do it well, why to throw it at frontline?

We have other fighters for that role.
 

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But Tejas isn't intended for it. It's a light category fighter best utilizeable for.defending our skies and as it has capability to do it well, why to throw it at frontline?

We have other fighters for that role.
Indeed.
The role envisioned for Tejas is point defence and local CAS. Very similar to how the Mig-21 was used once the heavier Migs came in the IAF.

However, in a high ECM environment, the small Tejas could possibly be used as a lone wolf type strike against a High value target. (ECM Aircraft, Target of Opportunity, Tanker etc. )
 

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No LCA's will hunt without any superior FIGHTER AIRCRAFT.
Whereas after few years PAF's f-16's will get retired. Than JF-17'S will be its frontline fighters.
Pakistan has no match for IAF.

Also in near future all borders and HVT's including Airforce bases will be secured by high end AIR DEFENCE SYSTEMS.

All Combat possibilities will match if time will in negative path with LCA and jf-17's , which cannot be possible
 

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No LCA's will hunt without any superior FIGHTER AIRCRAFT.
Whereas after few years PAF's f-16's will get retired. Than JF-17'S will be its frontline fighters.
Pakistan has no match for IAF.

Also in near future all borders and HVT's including Airforce bases will be secured by high end AIR DEFENCE SYSTEMS.

All Combat possibilities will match if time will in negative path with LCA and jf-17's , which cannot be possible
Yesterday One pakistani member said that their JF 17 block III shall be better than Gripen NG. This is the level of confidence they have on their ignorance.
 

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Yesterday One pakistani member said that their JF 17 block III shall be better than Gripen NG. This is the level of confidence they have on their ignorance.
May be, I will not be surprised when they said, its JF-17'S are more stealthier than F-22.
Pakis can do anything with their spiritual (roohani) powers. Like their babur-3 test with colour changing Capability and more than mach⅞7 speed.
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But Tejas isn't intended for it. It's a light category fighter best utilizeable for.defending our skies and as it has capability to do it well, why to throw it at frontline?

We have other fighters for that role.
Lca mk1a will have aesa radar with derby er (100km+) or Astra mk2 (110km ) and by 2025 sfdr based missile will be inducted. Lca mk1a
Will be able to shoot down porky birds from within Indian space.
With standoff missiles bramhos Ng and saaw it will take out most paki bases that are anyway within 100 km of border.
Yes it's a small bird but it's avionics and weaponry will be superior to paki f16 . Ramjet missile and standoff weapons make it a offensive platform rather than defensive.

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Lca mk1a will have aesa radar with derby er (100km+) or Astra mk2 (110km ) and by 2025 sfdr based missile will be inducted. Lca mk1a
Will be able to shoot down porky birds from within Indian space.
With standoff missiles bramhos Ng and saaw it will take out most paki bases that are anyway within 100 km of border.
Yes it's a small bird but it's avionics and weaponry will be superior to paki f16 . Ramjet missile and standoff weapons make it a offensive platform rather than defensive.

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If what you are saying is true then even most Chinese also are covered.
It's already happening. Elta 2052 aesa is already on jaguar. Uttam aesa is in advanced trial.
Sfdr has been successfully tested recently.
Bramhos Ng has been in work for quite a while now. Mk1a will be as deadly as they come.
Oh and it will have ew suite and spj to jam chini porky missile and air refueling for longer range.
The bird will not be kind to enemies.

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1000kg -3LGB
500KG- 6LGB
250KG- 08 LB
100KG - 26 BOMBS(dump bombs)
Missile
2ccm(r73 ,python5, asraam)
4 bvr missile (r77, astra, derby, derby I)
Fuel tank
1200×2
800×2
725×1

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Load configuration one {tejas mk1}
Empty weight 6560kg
In.fuel 2452
Ext.load- 1× bvr,2×ccm,2×250kg bombs,1×500kg lgb,1×725ltr fuel tank
Ferry range 1900km
Range 950km
Combat radius 630km
Maximum takeoff weight 11758kg [https://defenceforumindia]
Configuration 2

Empty weight-6560kg
Int.fuel-2458kg
Loaded weight- 9018kg
Ext.load -4×ccm,4xbvr ,1xsky shield ,2x800kg fuel tank,1xldp,
Ferry range 2400km,
Range 1200km
Combat radius 800km
Maximum takeoff weight 12930kg [https://defenceforumindia]

Configuration 3

Empty weight 6560kg
Int. Fuel 2458 kar
Loaded weight 9018
Ext. Loaded weight ,2xccm,2xbvr,2x500LGB,2x500lgb,2x250kg bombs
Maximum takeoff weight 12030kg
Ferry range 1750km
Combat radius 584km
Range 875 [https://defenceforumindia]

Configuration 4

Empty weight 6560kg
Int.fuel 2458 ltr
Loaded weight 9018kg
Ext load 2xbhramous cruise missile
2x bvr missile,2xccm ,1x725 ltr tank
Mtow 13133kg
Ferry range 1900km
Range950km
Combat radius 640km
4x tejas with bhramose missile total
Four tejas carry 8 bhramose missile [https://defenceforumindia]

All configuration r kill jf17 thunder at any time anywhere

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Tejas jet vs jf17 thunder

Some questions raised in mind in India and Pakistan
1 those fighters comparable to each other ?
2 those fighters can fight in near any conflict an each other ??
3 who can win ??
4whats is future plans of those fighters??
5 which country buying these fighters??
6 which fighter technologically advance
7 current progressive report of those fighters
8 which role can be played in war?
9 Any wrong information of those fighters??
10 some amazing facts of those fighters??
11 who win in wvr/bvr/ground strike/standoff strike/antishp strike??
12 those fighter can delivered special weapons if necessary??
ANSWERS WITH DEEP ANALYSIS
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1/some media group and unofficial source ,public saying these fighters can't
Comparable because these same class fighters role r different
Jf17- its a front line fighter jet in paf
To perform any mission at any time
Tejas jet -its not a front line fighter in iaf
Iaf use this fighter jet for point defence cap role only but tejas is a multirole fighter jet to performed all types of missions at any time anywhere.and its a best replaceable option for mig21 and mig27 fighter jet .

2 some unofficial source says they didn't fight each other why? Because pak use jf17 jet for strikes mission in enemy territory to destroyed full dumbs,air bases , ,logistics support ,or provide close air support it says pak govt
And tejas jet what happening in thus situation because iaf use tejas for point defence and close air petroling role
So defiantly jf 17 thunder can fight tejas jet for performing own missions
So the answer is yes .

3same points gives on the basis of 14 specifications like ( tejas ) vs (jf17 blk1/2
Payload- 3700kg/ 3200kg
Total fuel capacity. 5611kg/ 5300kg
Speed --------------------- 2300km/ 1900km/h
Service ceiling. -------16920m/ 16000m
Thrust to weight ratio-1 / 0.95
Range ---------------------- 1050km/ 1200km
Ferry range --------------2100km/ 2400km
Combat radius -------- 700km/ 800km
Endurance---------------- 2.5 hrs/ 2.5hrs
Radar ranges - 65-150-300/30-105-210km
AoA--------------------- 28. /28
stealthiness. -------------- 1m²rcs/ 7m²rcs
Total bvrs missiles----- 01 / 01
Total ccms missiles ------ 02 /01
Thrust with afterburner-- 89.8k/n/85.3k/n
MTOW ------------------------ 13700kg/13200kg
TOTAL SCORE -------------- 09. /4

Same other advantage of both jets
1 tejas . tejas jet is like a semi stealth airframe because RCS of this jet is 0.5 m²
Without load and with load RCS value is 1m² to give a tough fight any 4th gen jets
Like j10,jf17,f16,f7 etc
tejas jet RCS lowest in iaf jets fleet
So in this conditions jf17 jet can not track tejas more then 30km
In the same way tejas jet can take advantage to track jf17 more then 150km
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2 tejas jet usingElbit Systems’ Display and Sight Helmet (DASH) enables pilots to aim their weapons simply by looking at the targetDASH measures the pilot’s Line-of-Sight (LOS) relative to the aircraft, and transfers its information to other aircraft systems. Aircraft, sensors, avionics and weapons are thus enslaved to the target. DASH is adaptable to any fighter/attack aircraft and will accommodate advanced missiles and smart weapon lock-on envelopes.
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Advantages of jf17 thunder jet in dogfight
Single advantage on jf17 jet is service ceilings
Because jf17 thunder jet service ceilings high 16920 m higher then tejas jet
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4 India developed tejas upgraded version on tejas mk1a or mwf jet with el/m 2052 aesa radar or new electronic warfare suite ,upgraded avionics ,lasws,mawr,external jamming system

Pak developed jf17thunder block 3 integrated new kjl-7a aesa radar with hmds,hotas system
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5. For tejas jet sri Lanka, malashiya,Singapore,uae, Egypt etc
For jf17 thunder jet manmayar ,Nigeria, etc
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6. Tejas jet is technologically advance
Because tejas jet use dash hmds, ada language, hotas ,blending wing ,open artitacture system
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7.tejas jet India hal starts 2nd squadron of tejas and parallel test uttam aesa radar, solve python5 missiles integration and developed MFW jet
Jf17 jet pak try to finished integration on bvr missiles and developed jf17 thunder blk3
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8.tejas jet is a multirole jet so India using for point defence, area defence ,close air support in war because mig21 or mig27 r limited capabilities but one problem face by air force today tejas jet numbers r low only one squadron .
Jf 17 jet pak use this jet for only close air support because currently jf17 blk 2 is not inti. With bvr missiles so......
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9.tejas jet many defence forum and social media try to misleading public
Like today tejas jet have 3 ferry range
But correct is 2100km
Wrong combat radius
Wrong ferry range
Wrong range
Wrong payload capacity
Jf17 jet pak defence people says many fake or wrong thing he says
Jf17 jet better than f22
Jf17 thunder jet ferry range wrong 3400km
Jf17 thunder jet range wrong
Jf17 thunder jet combat radius wrong
Jf17 thunder jet fully weapons package integrated
Jf17 thunder shoot down mig21 or su30mki
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10.lot of development time of Tejas was utilized in providing a stringent testing and quality certification which amounted to some seven lakh plus tests before the Tejas was certified to take into air and into Indian Air Force. About 50–60% of development period of Tejas was utilized in these tests compared to just 40% of development period which marks the high quality of Tejas and the reason why it still did not suffer a single crash

2Naval Tejas features Hot Refueling which makes it the first Indian Fighter Jet to possess this quality. Hot Refueling is required when rapid turn arounds are needed during active combat and the engine is kept on during the process. No comparable Chinese fighter jet currently possess this capability. N-LCA also features automatic take-off with a button push which will enable carefree take off from an aircraft carrier. Only F/A-18 Super Hornet is known to possess such a feature.

3.LCA Tejas features a Self-Diagnosis Maintenance Management System which takes record of faults and possible glitches in the Tejas’s airframe by plug-in testers and relays possible failures to a laptop connected to the Open Architecture Computer in Tejas thus increasing survivability of Tejas manifold against possible glitches and accidents. Tejas airframe being predominantly constructed out of composites signifies that lesser rivets are used which in turn means lesser moving parts. This eliminates the issue of fractures and fissures or better called “structural fatigue” which can cost too much to the pilot in case of high g turns.

4.Tejas features lesser wing-loading compared to its immediate competitors like J-10 and JF-17 which adds to its maneuverability and performance especially at high altitudes like in Himalayas where Chinese Fighter Jets are at a particular disadvantage against more agile Tejas. Lesser Wing Loading also adds better climb rate , good cruising performance and better sustained turn rate. Tejas was developed to cater to India’s harsh climatic conditions and thus can outperform any fighter jet in Indian scenario kinematically.

5.Aeronautical Development Agency ( ADA ) has constructed virtual reality environment thus utilizing the Virtual Reality (VR) Environment , mock-up displays , 360 Degree Immersible Software to check Tejas design and omit out any glitches and errors in the airframe.

6.Tejas features an Automatic Pilot (Initiated) Built In Test (PBIT) with a slight push of button which initiates sequence of tests to check onboard systems including control surfaces are working properly or not. The whole process takes about a minute after which a green GO signal is flashed to signify that everything is working fine.

7.With Tejas , India joined the exclusive club of five countries to have developed On Board Oxygen Generating System (OBOGS) as part of Integrated Life Support System for LCA Tejas. It was developed by DEBEL and utilizes bleed air from aircraft engine to produce oxygen otherwise the pilot might pass out due to hypoxia. Do note that JF-17 does not have an OBOGS and has only 2-hours available oxygen onboard.

8.Tejas protects itself from lightning by extending four metal longerons which provides it affordable protection from end to end. Panels are copper meshed with one in five being bolt bonded to gaskets to provide protection against electromagnetic interference.

9.N-LCA features Leading Edge Vortex Controller (LEVCON) which helps in increasing lift and high angle of attack condition. Unlike canards , they don’t increase the drag and also keep frontal radar cross section low. A higher AoA landing is also needed for a 5 degree noose drop with the Naval airframe stressed out 5 times compared to that of the IAF variant causing every Line Replaceable Unit to be stressed out by 45 percent.

10.The use of composites in Tejas is a remarkable achievement as it reduces a total of 40 percent of parts , helping in a more lighter ( by 21% ) and sturdier airframe by eliminating excess number of holes , thus making it more efficient compared to an all-metal design. The assemble time is also effectively reduced by the use of composites from 11 months to just 7 month.


Any tell me this type of technology used in jf17,j10,f16blk50,52??
This reason why I love this aircraft because is more better than mig21 or mig27 fighter jet
My last analysis results of those fighters weapon configuration near future
Because currently tejas jet in weapon trials half integrated 4 weapons
1000kg lgb
500kg lgb
R73 missile
Python5 missile
Derby missile
So I thing tejas can easily provide close air support , close air patrol for iaf
Weapons name for tejas jet integrated near future
1.air to air missile
R77 missile (bvr) non integrated yet x2
R73 missile (ccm) integrated yet x4
Python5 missile (ccm) integrated yetx4
Derby missile (bvr) integrated yetx4
Astra missile (bvr) non integrated yetx2
Asraam missile (ccm) planning for tejas x4
Metor missile (bvr) planning for tejas x2
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Total 07 (22)
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Air to surface missile
Rudra missile (antrn) non integrated yet x4
Kh59 me (stndff) non integrated yet x2
Kh59mk (stndff)non integrated yet x2
Bhramose (stndff) non integrated yet x2
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Total 04(10)
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Anti ship missile
Kh31 (antsh) non integrated yet x4
Kh35 (antshp) non integrated yet x4
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Total 02(08)
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Bombs ( lgb, cluster bombs, smart bombs,standff bombs, dump bombs , gravity bombs ,)
Kab1500ltr bombs non integrated yet x2
Kab 1200ltr bombs non integrated yet x2
Gbu-16 paveway2 bombs non integrated yet x2
Fab-250kg bombs integrated yet x8
ODAB-500KG bombs non integrated yetx4
ZAB-250/350KG bombs integrated yetx8
BetaAb 500kg bombs non integrated yetx5
Fab-500kg bombs integrated yet x7
OFAB-250KG bombs integrated yet x8
OFAB-100KG BOMBS non integrated yetx20
Spice 500kg bombs non integrated yet x5
Glide bombs
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Total-12(61)
This is a impressive or not
Currently iaf test tejas jet with swing role capability
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION

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