Positive Pakistan

[SANITY]

A thread for news, discussions, debates related to any kind of positive progress taking place in field of science, tech, culture, justice, freedom, tolerance etc.

 

[SANITY]

Although we don't get to see many positive news coming from across the border, still it doesn't mean that there is nothing good going at all, as little and insignificant it might be, for any news, story, development that takes place in Pakistan and worth any appreciation, shall be posted here.

 

[mayfair]

Are you bloody kidding me?????????

 

[SANITY]

Are you bloody kidding me?????????

Not at all. I am seeing some positive news, the issues that they didn't used to talk very frequently in news media but seem to be speaking or atleast writing on it. I don't really visit many pakistani paper, infact I rarely visit any paper except Dawn. So if I see something that is related, any news piece speaking/writing on subjects that wasn't used to be discussed earlier, I will post it here. I also understand that some/many might take offence but trust me,it's for good reason. So people can happily ignore this thread or they can post and engage in discussions the right way for changes happening and debate on what else is required to make it better.

 

[DingDong]

So we have got our Aman Ka Tamasha thread.

 

[raheel besharam]

bhaad me jaye poorkistan

Ye lo positive news


- Mumbai terror attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed asks Pakistan govt not to forge friendship with India

- Fake news leads Pakistan minister to issue nuke threat to Israel on Twitter

- Pak Army has licence to kill us, rape us, still UN is silent, accuses Baloch activist Naela Baloch

- Pakistani girls taken as payments for soaring debts

 

[SANITY]

Someone speaking up: ‘Ideology and security brigades hurdles in progressive legislation’

ISLAMABAD: People of Pakistan in general and some segments of society in particular have been denied their basic rights because of two forces - ‘ideology and national security brigades.’ Civil society and politicians should raise questions to open the door for debates on different issues.

This was stated by Senator Farhatullah Babar of the PPP at a seminar, “Progressive legislation: prospects and challenges” organised by the Sustainable Development Policy Institute on Monday.

The passage of the ‘Criminal Law (Protection of Minorities) Bill 2015’ by the Sindh Assembly was also discussed in the context of former president Asif Zardari’s assurance to Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) emir Sirajul Haq that the age limit fixed for conversion would be removed from the bill.

The bill suggests legal action against forced conversions and allows only those over 18 years of age to convert their religion.

Mr Babar said both the ‘brigades’ were a hurdle in the progressive legislation as a number of bills such as the right to information could not be passed because of the security brigade.

He also referred to the lingering issue of missing persons.

The ideology brigade always created hurdles in the way of legislation on rape, women protection etc, he added.

“The ideology brigade cannot be stopped through legislation. There is a need to take long-term steps to address the issue because even organisations such as the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) are of the view that the use of DNA in rape cases is not Islamic. We need to build public opinion.”


Senator Farhatullah Babar says Pakistani people have been denied their basic rights because of these forces
He said there was an opinion that even discussions on the amendment to the blasphemy law was an act of blasphemy. But after an observation of the Supreme Court that the law can be amended, there is a need to define the law.

Mr Babar suggested that the civil society should deal with the issue arising out of the conversion bill and ask its opponents what should be the age limit for a Muslim if they want to change their religion.

“Only that is how doors for new debates will be open and things will start streamlining,” he said.

Senior journalist Zahid Hussain said during the last a few years so many incidents of forced conversions took place in Sindh, forcing thousands of Hindus to migrate to India.

“Why only Hindu girls are converting to Islam? The fact is they are kidnapped, raped and then forced to change their religion.”

He said it was strange that all political parties in Sindh had backed the bill but only the JI and Jamaatud Dawa were against it.

“How one person can decide that the bill should be changed or amended? Now so-called religious scholars will decide who is a good Muslim and who is not. It shows that elected representatives are weak.”

He said the situation was worse and governments were weak as a former chief justice of Lahore High Court and three former judges of the Supreme Court were defending the assassin of former Punjab Governor Salman Taseer.

On the other hand, after a programme by a TV channel, the Punjab government removed the chapter on comparative religions from the syllabus. It is also a fact that we have created problems for ourselves because of the syllabus, he said.

Civil society activist Romana Bashir said Article 20 of the Constitution allowed preaching for a religion but in Pakistan minorities cannot preach their religions.

In schools, the subject of ethics has been introduced for minorities but books are not available. Even if books are provided to the students, same teachers are teaching ethics and Islamiat simultaneously.

She said the bill had given a hope to the minorities but now they were disappointed. It is the responsibility of parliamentarians to resist the reversal of the progressive legislation, she said.

Right activist Jagmohan Kumar Arora said though minorities played their role in the creation of Pakistan, they were ignored in the country. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was the first politician who established a ministry for the minorities and tried to give them recognition.

“We had expected that the Sindh Assembly bill will also be passed by other provincial assemblies but PPP leader Asif Zardari has taken a U-turn on it. If someone wants to change their religion, he can but children should not be allowed to change their religion either by force or for some incentives,” he said.

He said forced conversions were also against Islam, so it should not be allowed. Moreover, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah always spoke about minorities’ rights.

 

[Ancient Indian]

Actually I saw some positive thing in Pak, today.

At the end of a street, I had seen a Mother kissing her child on the head.

And next, I saw a girl holding her boyfriend's hand tenderly while walking on the same street.

Few street down the lane, a father walking with his son and showing him the beauty of the world.

India and Pak are same.

But the babus and politicians at the helm making regular Pakistanis terrorists.

When will both of these rival countries wake up to humanity and accept the happiness that is rolling down on Karachi streets.

 

[3deffect]

Here is
Positive Pakistan ...!!!!

 

[Bornubus]

Very Good.

And may i suggest to regularly update this thread on behalf of Aman ki Asha proponents, their views and the future of India Pak peaceful relations.


Speaking of which, great Aman ki asha Proponent our PM Chodi recently wish Nawaz Sharif who is a terrific guy.


Add chodi ji to the list of Manishankar, Kejri, Lallo and Mulayam.

 

[Project Dharma]

Add chodi ji to the list of Manishankar, Kejri, Lallo and Mulayam.

Yeh BJP walo ka SOP lagta hai. Get bitch slapped, extend a hand for friendship and repeat.

 

[aditya10r]

Positivity overloared...............................

Stop this aman ki Asha ka chutiyapa

 

[aditya10r]

Yeh BJP walo ka SOP lagta hai. Get bitch slapped, extend a hand for friendship and repeat.

Carrying over the legacy of atal Bihari

 

[Project Dharma]

Carrying over the legacy of atal Bihari

Yep that is what I was referring to.. Even peaceniks are better than this at least you can consistently expect nothing from them.

 

[aditya10r]

Yep that is what I was referring to.. Even peaceniks are better than this at least you can consistently expect nothing from them.

I want next time our aircraft goes into paki airspace
It should go there only for one purpose

To deliver a strike package

 

[Bornubus]

Carrying over the legacy of atal Bihari

Yeh BJP walo ka SOP lagta hai. Get bitch slapped, extend a hand for friendship and repeat.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/nawaz-sharif-condemns-burhan-wanis-killing/20160711.htm

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[thethinker]

Positive Pakistan....

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Exclusive: ISI plotting to attack India from new terror launchpad at Myanmar-Thailand border

December 27, 2016 | UPDATED 19:45 IST

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/exclusive-pakistan-india-isi-terror-launchpad/1/843949.html

After several attacks on the western border, the ISI plans to open a new front in eastern India by launching an attack from a new terror launchpad.


Pakistan's powerful intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI, is planning to open new fronts to launch attacks in India.

According to intel sources, ISI has made a tactical shift in its strategy for India. After several attacks on the western border, the ISI plans to open a new front in eastern India by launching an attack from a secret terror launchpad.

Here are the revelations:

• Indian intelligence sources said that ISI has recently set up a terror camp in Mae Sot, which is situated on Thailand-Myanmar border.

• Intelligence sources have further revealed that Pakistan's ISI is using Taliban fighters to train Rohingya Muslims to launch terror attacks. This is part of Pakistan's strategy of making India bleed by a thousand cuts.

• The terror launchpad in Mae Sot will be used to launch attacks on India and Bangladesh.

• If sources are to be believed, ISI with the help of the Pakistan Taliban is training groups like Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami Arkana (HuJI-A) and some Khalistani militants.

• Mae Sot terror camp first came into the picture some months ago when a terrorist was interrogated by intel agencies.

• Intel agencies believe that ISI is arranging huge funds and weapons for terror activities, and recently arranged a meeting between Maulana Abdul Kuddus and Lashkar-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Saeed.

• Maulana Abdul Kuddus is a Rohingya Muslim of Pakistani origin and heads the HuJI-A. He is believed to be close to the Pakistan Taliban.

 

[SANITY]

Actually I saw some positive thing in Pak, today.

At the end of a street, I had seen a Mother kissing her child on the head.

And next, I saw a girl holding her boyfriend's hand tenderly while walking on the same street.

Few street down the lane, a father walking with his son and showing him the beauty of the world.

India and Pak are same.

But the babus and politicians at the helm making regular Pakistanis terrorists.

When will both of these rival countries wake up to humanity and accept the happiness that is rolling down on Karachi streets.

Very Good.

And may i suggest to regularly update this thread on behalf of Aman ki Asha proponents, their views and the future of India Pak peaceful relations.


Speaking of which, great Aman ki asha Proponent our PM Modi recently wish Nawaz Sharif who is a terrific guy.


Add Modi ji to the list of Manishankar, Kejri, Lallo and Mulayam.

Did you guys see the article I posted where the topic of abuse and forced conversion of Hindu girls was mentioned? You think it's a bad thing if some are speaking or trying to change it? Got nothing to do with Aman ki Asha/Tamasha. It won't necessarily be updated regularly unless I find something related. You guys can't ignore and can't be on topic. Maybe the title of the thread doesn't best describe the purpose of the thread.

 

[OrangeFlorian]

Now this is positive pakistan right here

http://www.dawn.com/news/789553

The Pakistani experiment in anarchy

There have been innumerable articles, blogposts, diatribes, talk show harangues and such on the issue of Pakistan’s failing Government. In great detail and loud voices, (especially given the ominous and ironic country wide power outage last week), we have deconstructed our failed legal institutions (there is no justice), our failed power grids (there is no electricity), our failed taxation system (only idiots pay taxes), and of course, our failed education system (school is for fools). Sitting in this junk heap of failed systems, that reeks of rotting rubbish (the trash system has also failed) it is useful perhaps to consider, (given that there still seem to be people, living, breathing, even reading souls left in Pakistan), whether we need a Government at all?



One helpful aid in such considerations is the thoughts of those for whom anarchy is but a nifty philosophical thought experiment or at best a momentary situation following some natural catastrophe or extraordinary event. Take for instance the words of David Henderson, a libertarian economist and scholar who wrote this in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandyin New York City: “The traffic in the blackout area of Manhattan is lawless in the most literal sense; the traffic lights aren’t working, so the law cannot be applied as usual. But “lawless” doesn’t seem to be a fitting description; the driving seems better behaved than usual. We (Americans) are so used to seeing people act under a system of government rules that it is easy to assume that without the rules, everything would descend into chaos” Now David Henderson is a libertarian, and libertarian economists and theorists are in adherents of the perspective that a large, meddlesome government is unnecessary and that people in general should be allowed to come up with their own rules.

There is much more to libertarianism of course, and much of its core philosophy derives from the idea that left alone, humans like markets will self-regulate, not behave with complete depravity and avoid a brutal, chaotic and ruthless condition. One favorite example of libertarian theorists making their point about human behavior in such conditions is the championing of roundabouts versus traffic lights. In the libertarian calculus, the traffic light, its imposition of the rule of stopping is an indicator of big government, central planning, the limitation of human action where there may be no need for it. Roundabouts on the other hand, leave the person in the driver’s seat at the helm; have him or her judge based on whether there is approaching oncoming traffic from other sides of the intersection, to choose a course of action based on the determinants of the situation.

It sounds lovely, if I had not seen so many, too many Karachi roundabouts chock full of cars, motorbikes packed in crevices, a donkey cart or two, a crammed bus with a dangling conductor all acting in the most primal, lawless way. Choice is present at the stateless intersections of Pakistan, where every man, woman, car and motorbike must fend for itself, but it is choice turned, twisted and abused, slaughtered, stomped and pillaged. As far as one can see, the assertions of the libertarian theorist, that those confronted with choice will self-regulate, act reasonably in the face of oncoming danger/traffic, understand that the need for the rule was not arbitrary but based on maintaining some minimal order, seem nowhere at all to be found. A rickshaw swerving suddenly to make a U-turn hits a car, they both stop and the driver of the car steps out and picks up a giant rock to hurl at the absconding rickshaw. It is a common sight in the Pakistani experiment with anarchy.

It is a pity, because in a country where having a functioning state, fulfilling the task of providing some bare minimum of security seems like such a tall, even unachievable order; a new aspiration toward a libertarian style, a minimal state may well have been a worthy aspiration. Some solace for renovated hopes based on a small state may still be taken from the writings of anthropologist James C Scott who in his latest book “Two Cheers for Anarchism” writes that “choice and freedom: are good for humans in almost every setting. “A little anarchy,” according to Scott is useful in every place from a school playground to an office boardroom because it encourages ‘cooperation without the demonic, hierarchical shadow of a vast and powerful state bearing down on the individual citizen. In simple terms, the absence of an all-seeing power forces citizens to come up with their own localised, personalised means of creating order and insuring basic well-being.

If Scott’s hypotheses are true, then why indeed, like most libertarian assertions do we not find Pakistan and Pakistanis faced with a largely defunct government, that can provide little security and even lesser utility, and not arriving with a more robust sense of ethics that would insure a little less anarchy? The answer is hinted at by Scott and also in Pakistan’s peculiar ethnic and sectarian demographics. The fact may well be that while a little anarchy may indeed be good, force neighbor to cooperate with neighbor and enable such happy occurrences of fellow feeling, a complete banishment of Government or too much anarchy actually provokes a panic which disables chances of collaboration and an aversion of disaster.

In a case such as this, and Pakistan is the example, the majority, trying to come up with overarching rules that are enforced by mobs instead of the state, systematically seeks to silence or eliminate those who would not follow them. With great chaos as the backdrop, all choice becomes somehow dirty and problematic and the efforts that would or should or may have been directed at maintaining order at the roundabout or the traffic light, are geared instead to curbing the conscience and eliminate altogether the problem of choice. So completely denied of order, it is no surprise that in their dark moments, literally lightless from failed grids and unexplained faults, Pakistanis dream of an absolute order, where no choice is permitted, and where their own and their neighbour’s failed predatory selves, matter not at all.

 

[pankaj nema]

@SANITY

This thread must be kept alive for sheer entertainment value

If anything you will soon realise your appaling naivety