Political solution to Kashmir is just not possible

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    My piece here

    Political Solution To Kashmir Just Not Possible | Sarvatra Vijay

     
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    Is "Sarvatra Vijay" your blog, @Yusuf?

    BTW, nicely written article, and I agree. We have tried enough, and political or diplomatic solution is impossible here.
     
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    Thanks mate. Yes its my blog
     
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    political-solution-kashmir-just-not-possible.............. Good by this madness 2 parties are suffered a lot,1)Kashmiri(valley) ppl & 2)Paki's. they have to decide what they want,India is&will retain it's grip on Kashmir :thumb:
     
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    It is time we upped the ante with Gilgit-Baltistan and also the Baloch issue.

    Indian Ambassadors in the Us and other European nations should start to meet these representatives immediately and regularly for consultations. We have to pre empt the Pakistanis in their own game.
     
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    Yes 100% , every discussion would end up in blame & counter blame going back to 1947 partition , 1965 , 1971 , Siachin, 1999 , Mukti Bahini & Kashmir insurgency

    Hands down the talks will fail every single time , non of the party will agree for give and take policy because who ever decides on give and take policy will have nightmare life under public scanner of both countries for rest of life

    Hence instead of wasteing Tax payers money on Aman ki thamasha put that money in developing Indian side of kashmir , education system , transport & tourism , employing kashmiri youth so that they don't get influensed by swines like JUD & Hizbool etc


    More important mordernize para force to take care of insurgency under Rapid action force mode with updated equipment moving Army to its core job for guarding borders & prevent insurgency take down seperatist monkeys using IB in covert operations

    We have talked enough from 68 years , wasted enough money and time which we could have put contructively in kashmir rather
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    @Yusuf is right.

    It continues to be a waste of time.

    See what has happened to Nawaz Sharif.

    He tried to calm the nerves twice, Lahore and then at Modi's inauguration.

    Both the times, he was made to eat the humble pie by Pak Army.

    Imran and Qadri are backed by the Pak Army and so the chaos and defanging of Sharif, if not toppling at a sooner than later stage.
     
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    Sir when it comes to India, civilians & Army are on same page. All anti india. Nawaz just presenting himself as a sheep but is a wolf. They make tactical moves to lull India into complacency. That's when Sham el Shiekh kinda things happen.

    Sab kameene hai. Section of Indian media giving a lot of credit & sympathy to Nawaz Sharif that he is genuine in his efforts & that "poor" chap is being scuttled & let's help h and stuff. I say Bull Shit.
     
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    Ashutosh Lokhande Senior Member Senior Member

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    @Yusuf very nice article. Just like your 'arming the afhgans' article. I am waiting for your article with respect to indo-china territory claims and confrontations.
     
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    Nawaz Sharif gave India Kargil war, don't forget that and all crap that Miya Musharraf did not inform him is a lie.

    Pakistani should be held at bay for a stable India. Cut all ties, seal border and deport all those who support them.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I would like to give Nawaz the benefit of doubt.

     
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    Indeed a solution is not possible by singing peace melodies and shaking hands. That is the reality of this day.
    But if we were to hope better for future, something has to change fundamentally in Pakistan.
    Before that, all attempts from Pakistan to make up are cosmetic and self contradictory; which in turn nullifies whatever India does.

    The multi-faceted turmoil in Pakistan today makes the turnaround all the more difficult in near future (here I mean a decade).

    Very clearly put Yusuf.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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    What about the 2013 elections? His party was the only one ( except PTI?) which was not targeted by extremist elements. And those elements are rabid Anti-India. What did his party promise in return to get their support.

    PPP,ANP candidates virtually were confined to their homes all through the campaign period.
     
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    Christine fair can say anything. We know what's the fact. Nawaz is a liar. He said he didn't know about Kargil but he was briefed & asked when will you deliver Kashmir to me.

    Anyone who thinks any civil gvt in Pak wants peace with India is lying. 1) They don't decide that. 2) they are also products of brainwashing that has happened to them over years about India (Hindus)

    BTW a paki called me Munafiq & Gaddar on twitter when I showed him the mirror. He said Pak won all 4 wars with India. There is no hope there
     
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    The day Pakistani people march towards GHQ & asks Pak Army & ISI to stop interfering in their lives, in their policies, in their gvt and stay in the barracks and revise their books,history,their ideology then we can think of giving them a chance.

    I know pigs will fly. So let's just seal the borders to the best we can and have a deterrent policy in place to prevent terror attacks
     
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    There is one & only one solution to Kashmir - disintegrate Pakistan & break it into smaller countries. If you say there is another solution, then good luck to you.

    Meanwhile what India needs to do is destabilise Pakistan economically by breaking neck of their exports like textiles, food, tools etc. Simply give our exporters a tax break (or even other encouragement) on exports that compete with Pakistani exports. Arm the Afghanistan Army & internal security forces to stand-up against Pakistan & park supported TTP. Infiltrate Pak terror organisations and turn them against Pakistani establishment. Support Baluchistan on international fora.

    In addition to above, put a ban on LOC trade, people-to-people contact, retract MFN status to Pak, impose custom duties on pak products...and so on and so forth.

    All will have some or the other effect in pushing Pakistan to the disintegrate on the weight of its own follies.
     
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    Pakistan is only a proxy to instigate people on religious lines and train them for future 4'th generation warfare.

    With US becoming energy independent by 2025 , it has no big role to play in Middle East. So , the area will boil for sure.

    To keep local people in control and avoid and revolution of any kind, these Sheikhs will play with the religion as a tool to fool the people and radicalized the population towards an Enemy which they can't harm( say US). So that people in turn are not going to demand any rights and these sheikhs would be able to hold their dictatorship over region , so that they can fill their pocket without being responsible to anyone.

    If we really want to solve any of the problems , we have to utilize our relationship with like minded countries, and try to instigate a "true Arab Spring" in the region. So that real power is dissipated among people, and with it new problems will arise among themselves. We can then peacefully watch the drama unfold before us.
     
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    This is what I have said also.

    Pakis would NEVER EVER learn unless we raise the cost of this proxy for them 100 times.Take the war to their home and hit where it hurts the most.Also arrest all those basTURD WKK idiots and throw them in jail since they are traitors.

    Provide "moral support" to Baloch and Afgans and Sindhi and then stay in denial mode just as how they do.If they cry in UN all would laugh since they got no credibility as they produce Terrorists and gave shelter to OBL.

    btw Pakis have started firing/shelling India so they are looking to wage a small scale war(perhaps full scale) and distract the serious local issues.
     
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    I think its high time now our govt must start making nuke proof bomb shelters in major cities for the civilians.
    You may never know when the shit might just get real .
     
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    In fact what the US think-tanks have begun voicing now is what India has all through been saying... that Kashmir is not the issue. For Pakistan to survive as one country, its army should lose its stanglehold over the nation and the country will have to lose its nukes because as long as the nukes remain in its custody, it will continue to create problems for India and Afghanistan.
     

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