Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

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    I would like to present polish comprehensive program of the modernization artillery - "REGINA"

    in theory in 2005 Polish Army was equipped in (more then100mm cal) :
    - 509 122 mm self-propelled howitzer (SPH) 2S1 GVOZDIKA
    – 111 152 mm SPH „Dana”
    - 257 122 mm MLRS GRAD BM 21 and RM-70
    – 169 motars 120 mm

    now "Regina" is comming:

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    In terms of weapons systems "Regina" have this programs of developing and buy artilery systems:

    1. self-propelles 120mm motar on wheel (Wolverine APC) and tracks chassis - "RAK" program ("Cancer")
    Huta Stalowa Wola
    Huta Stalowa Wola
    120 mm samobieżny moździerz Rak (MSK-HSW) - YouTube
    Rosomak 120 mm wheeled self-propelled mortar carrier armoured vehicle MSPO 2010 - YouTube
    (propably more then 80 "Cancer" 120mm motar will by buy for polish army)
    There was no 120mm SP motars in Polish Army erlier so "Rak" is smth.new.

    2.
    All BM-21 GRAD will be replaced by 120mm MLRS WR-40 "LANGUSTA" ("Crayfish")
    Huta Stalowa Wola
    WR-40 Langusta multiple rocket launcher system Jelcz truck MSPO 2010 Poland Polish - YouTube
    whit new "Phoenix-Z" rockets (for HE 50km, for CARGO warhead 37km):
    http://altair.com.pl/files/news/2010/12/i-i10-12-083hsw_03.jpg
    Altair - Pokaz w Stalowej Woli
    Oferta
    Now they are develeping stude about Fenisk + whit range ~60km
    Polish army had bought 72 WR-40 "Crayfish" MLRS, but in plans polish artilery HQ wants ~110-120 WR-40.


    3.
    All 2S1 122mm will be replaced by 155mm SPH "KRAB" ("Crab")
    Huta Stalowa Wola
    Samobieżna haubica KRAB - YouTube
    As I know Polish Army wants to buy Excalibur and BONUS rounds for "Crab".
    Until 2016 they will be 16 SPH "Crab" in Polish Army, in target more then 48 SPH.

    4.
    All 152mm Cheh wv.77 SPH Dana will be replaced by 155mm wheel SPH "KRYL" ("Krill")
    Altair - Nexter w Polsce
    This program have now low priority, becouse all "Dana" in Polish Army are quite fresh. About 100 "Krill" wil be buy for polish army.

    5.
    All 9K76 Toczka will be repalced by HOMAR ("Lobster" MLRS 227(300mm)/600(607mm).
    No photos available -this program have higt priority. Propably will be bought about 16-24 this MLRS system whit USA 607mm rocket system from MLRS.


    How about CSI4 and C3 for Polish artylery? This will be in next post :)
     
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    About Polish Military Command and Control Electronics Equipment for artilery.

    Of course the most important is Polish "TOPAZ" BMS (battle menagment system):
    (in english):
    WB Electronics - Military Command and Control Electronics Equipment - Army Technology
    ZZKO Topaz - WB Electronics
    look "video": HSW & WB Electronics DEMO 17.12.2010 - YouTube

    the smalest micro UVA for polish artilery: WB Electronics - Mini UAV FlyEye - YouTube

    Of ourse thopaz in REGINA program works like a system - here for 155mm Crab SPH:

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    Of course Polish Amry have others modern recon systems for artilery - ex radars:
    like "Liwiec" (system far far better then russian Zoopark in both version)
    http://altair.com.pl/files/news/2009/10/i-i09-10-001liwiec-1.jpg
    pdf:
    Bumar Elektronika | Przechodzimy restrukturyzacjÄ™


    Or passive decoy "Gunica" for polish air force (like VERA, TAMARA, Kolczuga etc):
    http://lotniczapolska.pl/gals/red/2463/20100129170906gunica_4.jpg
    which can be using also for long-range altilery and MLRS- for locating active sources of emissions: enemy radars, HQ, etc.


    This all is using as a part bigger system - C3IS "Jaśmin-Fonet" .
    http://teldat.pl/images/JASMINE_schemat_PL.jpg
    TELDAT - Network Centric Data Communication Platform JASMINE – JASMINE System
    TELDAT - JASMINE System in mobile version - BMS JASMINE (Battlefield Management System)
    This system in comand APC looks that:
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HavFqbCNMX4&context=C3c7d899ADOEgsToPDskJxjRQPUNx9KjORrxRjrh4S

    <iframe width="640" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HavFqbCNMX4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    If you have any questions - just ask :)
     
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    re: Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

    News about REGINA program. Until 2018 Polish Army will buy:

    75x 155mm SPH "KRAB" ("Crab") (3x 24 + 3 SPH for artilery school)
    24 SPH's will be deliver until 2015

    75x 20mm MLRS WR-40 "LANGUSTA" ("Crayfish") had been deliverd between last year.
    Propably nex 24-48 MLRS will be buy.

    104x self-propelles 120mm motar on wheel (Wolverine APC) and tracks chassis - "RAK" program ("Cancer")
    64x on wheel chassis and 40x on track chassis. Priority have wheel chasiss.
     
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    re: Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

    It turns out that Poland appears able not bad to synthesize a Western weapons and on their developments
     
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    re: Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

    I like the 155 mm SPH which from your post it seems that the Polish Army might be inducting around 100 of these. We should also look into this, considering the delays in our programme.


    I would like to know is there a policy in Poland to buy military equipment from Russia, or it has been stopped.
     
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    re: Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

    There is no such policy, competitions and auction are completely free and anyone can present his offer that will meet demands of our armed forces.

    There are of course other reasons like difficult political situation with Russia that makes rather not very possible for Russians to present their products, however for example there is more and more cooperation with Ukraine, and many more nations and companies, for example on last MSPO exhibition, Bumar had made an agrement with Sweidish division of BAE company.

    This is more a problem of a good will, not any law.
     
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    re: Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

    WR40 Langusta presentation:




    WR40 Langusta (122mm MLRS) in action:



    very important video
    Propably ony peopls who where in army (Akim?) understood those video:

    Action from 1:11 when we can see incoming WR-40 MLRS, and after that crew is prepering MLRS to salvo. It takes only 50 seconda when command "GOTÓW" end preparations - on film form 1:23 to 2:08 :)
    In new "Langusta" series whole preperin can be done without going out MLRS -all is automatic.
     
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    re: Polish army "REGINA" program - Modernization of Artillery

    http://www.sea.org.pl/sites/default/files/katalog_wyrobow_HSW.pdf

    Cataloge in pdf from polish producent of:
    -155mm SPH Krab (Crab)
    - 122mm SPG 2S1 Goździk ( 2S1 Gvozdika)
    - MLRS WR-40 Langusta (Crayfish)
    - 120mm automatic motar on wheel and track chassis (Cancer)
    etc.
     
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    Honestly, I do not see advantages of WR - 40 before RM - 70/85, which in Poland on an armament. Last, even better in the system of reload. True of RM - Czech, and WR-40 it his.
     
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    Langusta 2 have also automatic loader as RM-70.
     
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    Where he? I looked video and him did not see. Recharge of RМ- 70, takes place for 2 minutes, and Langusta even by 8 members of crew time is anymore necessary probably.
     
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    Nexter teamed up with Huta Stalowa and Jelcz to offer a Caesar variant for the Army's Kryl expeditionary requirement. The Weimar agreement for increased defence alignment will probably see this deal go through. It won't be a huge order since Poland isn't an expeditionary Army, but a couple dozen units likely.
     
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    Langusta 2 is not in the army inventory yet, it was presented in the MSPO 2012 and the production is prepared instead of Langusta 1. Langusta 2 overall is more automated than it's predecesor, it is possible that old Langusta MRLS will be modernized to Langusta 2 standard.

    We still need to wait a bit to see what will happen. IMHO modernized Dana with a gun used in Ceasar would be a bit better than just a gun on a truck, but this is only my opinion.
     
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    Langusta-2 MLRS:

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    And Feniks rockets before - whit Feniks-Z and Feniks-Plus prototype. The las one whit range up to 58km.

    more photos:
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9FUchi6cG3o/UErX13YxUWI/AAAAAAAAA7Y/EKQV2e-Napo/s1600/Zdjęcie367.jpg
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bk2Bv6oxVBU/UEjssjUrATI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/bXsMCXfGul0/s1600/Zdjęcie395.jpg
     
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    And here is the Ukrainian MLRS!
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    First Practice for Fire Control 155mm SPH Krab (Crab)

    Wojsko Polskie, 11 Mazurski Pu�k Artylerii

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    As I wrote erlier:

    In REGINA comprehensive program of the modernization artillery all 2S1 Goździk SPH (122mm) will be repleced by 155mm SPH "KRAB" ("Crab") whit extra Excalibur and BONUS rounds. Until 2018 Polish Army will buy 75x 155mm SPH "KRAB" ("Crab") (3x 24 + 3 SPH for artilery school). All SPH's will be coneted in BMS "Topaz" -very modern FCS for artilery including artilery radars, drons, recon, air support and other:
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    very simple probe of Topaz possibilities:



    Of course 155mm Cab SPH is only one part of the REGINA program.
     
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    Today second part about "REGINA" program.

    Polish Army will buy 104x self-propelles 120mm motar on wheel (Wolverine APC) and tracks chassis - in codename "RAK" program ("Cancer")
    Those self-propelles motars will replace all 2S1 Gździk in regiments.

    64x will be on wheel chassis, and 40x on track chassis:
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    Priority have wheel chasiss. 120mm motar in both case have the same turret system.
    Manufacurer data:
    Fire range:
    -standard ammo -8km
    -specjal ammo -12km
    - 10-12 rounds per minute.

    And here rare pict. of RAK ("Cancer") self-propelles motar on wheel (Wolverine APC) chassis:

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    Unfortunetly pictures don't show turret bustle whit ready ammo and autoloader.

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    In next post ill set 155mm SPH Crab and wrote smth about it's long history.
     
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    BTW:
    120mm RAK motars in artilery company:

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    Nice promo video showing new polish army artilery posibility:

     
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